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Old 10-16-2012, 06:04 AM   #7041
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Interesting.

I'm still trying to wrap my head around why these discs are getting scratched to begin with. Even if there is a little debris in the cardboard, that can't be sharp enough to scratch a BD. I've heard people on this site say that they literally struck their discs with a nail and were unable to scratch a BD. So, how these discs are getting scratched by a simple cardboard and/or a little debris is beyond me... And I don't understand why they seem to happen more with this type of packaging. Maybe the factory uses knives to grab the discs and slip them into the sleeves.
Maybe if they had caddies like UMD they wouldn't get scratched.


Only thought of this after finding an old book from 2002/2003 discussing Blu-ray and it mentioned it being an optical disc with a protective caddie that used a blue-violet laser. Never knew that...
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Old 10-16-2012, 06:14 AM   #7042
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Interesting.

I'm still trying to wrap my head around why these discs are getting scratched to begin with. Even if there is a little debris in the cardboard, that can't be sharp enough to scratch a BD. I've heard people on this site say that they literally struck their discs with a nail and were unable to scratch a BD. So, how these discs are getting scratched by a simple cardboard and/or a little debris is beyond me... And I don't understand why they seem to happen more with this type of packaging. Maybe the factory uses knives to grab the discs and slip them into the sleeves.
Could you move this type of discussion to here? To not clog up this thread and it'll be easier to locate.
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=205394
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Old 10-16-2012, 09:01 AM   #7043
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Awesome boxset. Great transfers, great audio, and very good extras. Have started to re-watch each film.
which movie is ur favourite?
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Old 10-17-2012, 02:12 AM   #7044
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just got my set yesterday...

watched raiders and it looked amazing... just as good or better than jaws....e.t was a bit of a dissapointment but still looked really nice.

i watched a few minuted of last crusade which blu-ray.com said looked the best...and that wasnt the case for me... raiders looks better imo..

anyway so i got 3 movies left to watch.
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Old 10-17-2012, 06:00 PM   #7045
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watched raiders and it looked amazing... just as good or better than jaws....
Did anyone ever ascertain what's causing the very obvious and unpleasant video glitch when Indy and Satipo first enter the temple of the idol and get covered in tarantulas? It appeared in the IMAX screening I saw last month and damned if it isn't still present on the Blu-ray. If such a glitch had to happen, I sure wish it would have happened at a more dull moment...

(* sorry if this has already been discussed; with 300+ pages in this thread, please forgive me for not spending the day swimming through them)
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Old 10-17-2012, 06:19 PM   #7046
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Did anyone ever ascertain what's causing the very obvious and unpleasant video glitch when Indy and Satipo first enter the temple of the idol and get covered in tarantulas? It appeared in the IMAX screening I saw last month and damned if it isn't still present on the Blu-ray. If such a glitch had to happen, I sure wish it would have happened at a more dull moment...

(* sorry if this has already been discussed; with 300+ pages in this thread, please forgive me for not spending the day swimming through them)
It was a product of the original film print...I believe the type of lens used in those shots might have been the culprit. Yeah, it's been discussed several times. Since I can't stand spiders I would've loved if those little bastards where CGI'ed right out of existance!
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Old 10-17-2012, 06:37 PM   #7047
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It was a product of the original film print...I believe the type of lens used in those shots might have been the culprit. Yeah, it's been discussed several times.
I'll be damned. I thought your answer was mad, but I just checked out my 2003 DVD and, you're right, it's been there all along! The fidelity of the image was just so lo-def, though, I've never noticed it until now. 1080p really makes it unpleasantly obvious. What a weird, weird artifact. I can't imagine how the camera lens would contribute to that effect, especially when it clears up after only a minute, but who knows? Well, thanks for at least helping me to confirm it's not a problem with this remaster, which is absolutely breathtaking next to those old DVDs...sorry to retread old ground, everyone...
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Old 10-17-2012, 08:34 PM   #7048
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I can't imagine how the camera lens would contribute to that effect, especially when it clears up after only a minute, but who knows?
It wasn't the lens. The lateral film motion (side-to-side) you see was likely caused by a pin registration problem with the film and its perforations as it went through the film gate in the motion picture camera. The pins and those four perforations per frame on either side of where the image is exposed are the only things keeping the film steady. There are two registration pins in the camera -- one of them may have malfunctioned, or possibly, the perforations themselves ripped. Here is more from Wikipedia:

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In certain "professional" motion picture cameras and "step" printers, there may be two registration pins: one is called the "big pin" and it is employed for primary (axial and lateral) registration while the other one is called the "little pin" and it is employed for secondary (axial) registration. With the "big pin"/"little pin" concept, it is not required to employ side pressure or other means to guide the film through the intermittent movement with absolute precision as the "big pin" is fully fitting in the perforation (the "little pin" is not fully fitting in width, but is fully fitting in height; this difference accommodates slight changes in the dimensions of the film media due to changes in relative humidity and possibly other factors such as media age).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Registration_pin
Based on this, I think it's possible the "big pin" may have malfunctioned, leaving only the "little pin" which as described above, doesn't have the full width to fully fit the perforation, resulting in unwanted side-to-side motion during exposure.
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Old 10-17-2012, 08:37 PM   #7049
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It wasn't the lens. The lateral film motion (side-to-side) you see was likely caused by a pin registration problem with the film and its perforations as it went through the film gate in the motion picture camera. The pins and those four perforations per frame on either side of where the image is exposed are the only things keeping the film steady. There are two registration pins in the camera -- one of them may have malfunctioned, or possibly, the perforations themselves ripped. Based on this, I think it's possible the "big pin" may have malfunctioned, leaving only the "little pin" which as described above, doesn't have the full width to fully fit the perforation, resulting in unwanted side-to-side motion during exposure.
Thank you! That explains a lot, and would certainly better describe this particular effect than an issue with the lens.
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Old 10-18-2012, 12:33 AM   #7050
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THANK YOU for bringing up that anomoly, Filmmaker, and for the explanations, rickah88 and Maxwell Everett! I saw the same blur in the spider scene at the IMAX screening and was just as confused as Filmmaker was by it. Now I won't be so annoyed seeing it on my Blu-ray set when they arrive from the UK.
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Old 10-18-2012, 12:38 AM   #7051
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THANK YOU for bringing up that anomoly, Filmmaker, and for the explanations, rickah88 and Maxwell Everett! I saw the same blur in the spider scene at the IMAX screening and was just as confused as Filmmaker was by it. Now I won't be so annoyed seeing it on my Blu-ray set when they arrive from the UK.
I'm just amused to discover it's always been there and we've always seen it but it's only now that the resolution is high enough for us to actually note it!
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Old 10-18-2012, 12:47 AM   #7052
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which movie is ur favourite?
Raiders! Although I really do enjoy Doom and Last Crusade. I even liked Kingdom better this time around.
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Old 10-18-2012, 01:59 AM   #7053
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I'm just amused to discover it's always been there and we've always seen it but it's only now that the resolution is high enough for us to actually note it!
Agreed. I remember seeing that up on the IMAX screen and seriously getting ready to talk to management about it, thinking it was something the theatre did wrong, at the end of the movie. But then, the rest of the film was not only error free and looking awesome, but I just got lost in watching the story all over again. That softened the shock of seeing it, but it's obviously still been on my mind ever since.
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Old 10-18-2012, 02:11 AM   #7054
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I FINALLY got around to watching one of the movies in this set and I picked Temple of Doom. I just saw Raiders in theaters not too long ago so I didn't need to watch that one right away.

Temple of Doom looked awesome in hi-def and I definitely enjoyed the movie more this time than the last time I watched it (I dunno why... for whatever reason it kind of rubbed me the wrong way last time I watched it lol).

I'll be watching Last Crusade next which I'm REALLY looking forward to!
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Old 10-18-2012, 02:13 AM   #7055
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I'm just amused to discover it's always been there and we've always seen it but it's only now that the resolution is high enough for us to actually note it!
I noticed it on my old Laserdisc, and in theaters. Not sure if I ever watched my DVD though.
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Old 10-18-2012, 08:40 AM   #7056
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Ok so I received my UK box set yesterday and watched Raiders last night. I'm quite satisfied with the PQ. The orange tint is slightly apparent in some scenes, but people who are not aware will not notice them. The Nazi flags were more red than orange on my TV so things are good. I think it is imperative to have a calibrated TV to lessen the orange tint or whatever you call it.

I'm also very happy that I bought the UK set and I can say that not only do I not have a scratch, but my viewed discs don't have finger prints either.
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Old 10-20-2012, 03:03 AM   #7057
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I got my UK set delivered on Tuesday. I would have posted that sooner but I kept missing this thread on the front page. Anyway, it looks great and every disc is scratch-free. And I have the option to choose Norsk as my language. So I got that going for me, which is nice.
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Old 10-20-2012, 03:06 AM   #7058
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I got my UK set delivered on Tuesday. I would have posted that sooner but I kept missing this thread on the front page. Anyway, it looks great and every disc is scratch-free. And I have the option to choose Norsk as my language. So I got that going for me, which is nice.
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Old 10-20-2012, 04:10 AM   #7059
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Received my UK set the other day and watched Raiders yesterday. Was planning on just sampling the bar fight scene to hear what those gunshots are supposed to sound like, but decided instead to just watch the whole movie.

Sound and picture were absolutely incredible. Not like it was a brand new movie, but like seeing a fresh print on opening day in 1981.

I'll admit I haven't seen Raiders as much as some people in this thread, but I have seen it many times on VHS over the years, compared to only once on DVD, and the Blu-ray's color timing definitely reminded me more of the VHS, and much more natural.

Can't wait to see the rest, even willing to give Kingdom of the Crystal Skull another chance.

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Old 10-20-2012, 04:57 AM   #7060
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I was going to wait for the individual releases to avoid KOTCS but I gotta say...this is a great set. Picture and sound are top notch and the extras are really worthwhile for a change. If you avoided this set because of KOTCS I urge you to reconsider or at least wait for a price drop to take the sting out of buying a movie you don't really want. I doubt the extras will be available with the single sets if they ever surface.
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