The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance (1962) - June/2013

[KingSimba]

Release Date: 3rd/June/2013
Distributor: Paramount Home Entertainment

[Yami]

This is my favourite Ford/Wayne collaboration. I'm looking forward to it.

[Arkadin]

WOO-HOO!!
I've come sooooo close to getting the German version.

[Skog]

Pre-order is up

[FrankD]

on the bluray.com page it is listed as region B...on the pre-order listing as region free....
Which is it?

[Supernaut]

If this is the same master as the AU version, the transfer is simply stunning.

[JackTwist]

Originally Posted by Supernaut

If this is the same master as the AU version, the transfer is simply stunning.

I couldn't wait and ordered the AU release as well. It is gorgeous, I just don't understand why the special features were removed. Oh well, I promised that copy as a gift to my father if one with extras should be released.

[SolidBlu]

great news!

[CinemaScope]

June is looking like a very busy month for catalogue releases

[EddieLarkin]

The caps of the German version look pretty disappointing. Presumably this is identical?

[eChopper]

it is . i have the german Bd and its atrocious DNR Sh*t. I turned it off after 20 minutes

[pro-bassoonist]

Originally Posted by eChopper

it is . i have the german Bd and its atrocious DNR Sh*t. I turned it off after 20 minutes

Since you asked, no, I am not an "ophthalmologist". But I wonder if you might have some eye problems.

I can clearly see and mentioned in the review that some degraining corrections have been applied, but your claim that "the characters have faces to look like plasticine wax mannequins" is quite the wild exaggeration.

Sorry, but this isn't a case of "atrocious DNR Sh*t".

Pro-B

[eChopper]

4 and a half stars implies that its half star off perfection .This is a horrible transfer ,it looked fake and contrasty with limited greyscale in many scenes. It didn't look like film , like the recent Wild Strawberries . "I hope I wasn't out of line with that crack about the ophthalmologist"- Maxwell Smart

[pro-bassoonist]

Originally Posted by eChopper

4 and a half stars implies that its half star off perfection .This is a horrible transfer ,it looked fake and contrasty with limited greyscale in many scenes. It didn't look like film , like the recent Wild Strawberries .

I don't intend to have a back-and-forth discussion with you, but the transfer most definitely does not look fake to me. As I mentioned in the review, there is some room for minor improvements -- I personally would have left the transfer without the additional denoising corrections and would have liked to see some more careful cleaning -- but it is definitely not the massive DNR disappointment you claim it is. If it was, then the fabric on the bottom right of this screencapture would have looked like total mush:

https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/scree...85&position=10

There are plenty of solid releases where denoising/degraining corrections were applied - and quite successfully. North by Northwest, The Godfather, and Anatomy of Murder, which you quite like, quickly come to mind.

Pro-B

[EddieLarkin]

Going by the caps, it's not the lack of grain or loss of detail that I have a major problem with, but the sharpening:

http://www.caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergl...ess=#vergleich

Look at how sharply defined his nostrils are. They look they've been carved right out of his face. Just don't look natural.

[pro-bassoonist]

I don't have a major problem with this "sharpening" because if it was such a massive problem it would show all over the place, not only in a small area. Clearly it does not. What you perceive to be sharpening isn't always that kind of sharpening.

Prime example is this screencapture from Anatomy of Murder where the light is captured in such a way that it appears that Jimmy Stewart's face is "sharpened", but there are no such obvious traces elsewhere in the image.

https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/scree...686&position=6

And there is no such "lack of grain", there is grain.

In fact, often quite more than there is in Anatomy of Murder
https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/scree...686&position=7

And lastly, I am unsure why I am looking at screencaptures of the German release when we are discussing the UK release and there are screencaptures from it on our site. They could be identical, but I don't like discussing a release I have not seen.

Pro-B

[TheOneWithThePrize]

Originally Posted by pro-bassoonist

And lastly, I am unsure why I am looking at screencaptures of the German release when we are discussing the UK release and there are screencaptures from it on our site. They could be identical, but I don't like discussing a release I have not seen.

The German disc is the same as the UK disc.

[pro-bassoonist]

Originally Posted by TheOneWithThePrize

The German disc is the same as the UK disc.

Do you have both discs with you? I can see the comments that they are the same, but they come from people who do not appear to have both discs. They compare specs and then claim that they are identical.

I don't dispute that they could be -- there are plenty of Pan-European releases -- but I don't like addressing a disc I have never seen to determine how another disc looks. That's all

If I have both discs with me, and can view and compare them, then I feel comfortable offering some sort of a definitive opinion.

Pro-B

[EddieLarkin]

Sorry Svet but I see it in every single one of your caps, across most of the frame. It is most apparent in actors hair and faces, especially wrinkles under eye lids. See caps 3, 8, 9, 11, 12, 14, 19.

[pro-bassoonist]

Originally Posted by EddieLarkin

Sorry Svet but I see it in every single one of your caps, across most of the frame. It is most apparent in actors hair and faces, especially wrinkles under eye lids. See caps 3, 8, 9, 11, 12, 14, 19.

I am sorry too, but what you are seeing -- without apparently even having the disc -- isn't the issue you insist it is.

I am not seeing this problematic sharpening here:

https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/scree...85&position=18

If the film is as disappointingly sharpened as you seem convinced it is, it will show everywhere, but it does not. Sharpening does not just magically appear in one frame and then disappear in another.

I also gave you very specific examples pointing to "sharpening" and grain fluctuations on images from Anatomy of Murder. None of these effects are in fact present on the film. (If I wanted to continue arguing, I would ask you to describe what you are seeing there, but it would be a very strange discussion).

Anyway, I don't want to go back and forth pointing out what isn't there, on the disc, as you have obviously already made up your mind just by looking at screencaptures.

Screencaptures are helpful when they are taken properly, as ours are, but they are not some sort of a definitive source to judge the quality of a presentation. And in this specific case, what you are assuming about the quality of the presentation simply isn't true -- sharpening isn't a serious issue here.

Pro-B