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Old 08-03-2015, 06:12 PM   #1
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Hi guys.. I was watching this trilogy again last week, and I think remastering the entire trilogy at 4K may be inevitable. I mean, they are not a modest success series of films, is The Lord of the Rings trilogy, which by the way is in its way to 15th and 20th anniversary.

Not only that, but I don't think having The Hobbit trilogy at 3D, but NEVER the LOTR trilogy at 3D is how this saga is envisioned for home entertainment (and cash grabbing) purposes, at least secretly.

I know for a true 4K remaster, all the SFX would have to be re-rendered in 4K due to the fact that when they were created they were done at 2K, while filmed elements were mastered at 4K. But I think now is pretty possible as long as the studio see it profitable, so..

I think if a movie (or trilogy in this case) would benefit from doing this, it has to be The Lord of the Rings for the following reasons:

-Now The Hobbit trilogy exists, some LOTR scenes would have to be adapted, particularly in the Fellowship of the Ring prologue with young Bilbo finding the ring.
- It would also mean the opportunity to convert it to 3D, which again, from a studio point of view is very very tempting. And with this, as I said before, being on its way to a 20th anniversary, would absolutely mean a perfect way to celebrate, for both fans and studio, and not only for a home re-release, but for a whole cinema re-release.

Thats why this could result in a very profitable big project.

With bluray resolution as the original trilogy is right now, it is in a pretty inconsistent SFX quality, and not only that, but the resolution give up a lot of tricks just as wig lines, and doubles and scale doubles faces in a lot of scenes. I cannot imagine how this would be augmented once the movies are inevitable updated to 4K without a properly invested remaster work, the way Ridley Scott did it with Blade Runner (not George Lucas way).

What do you think? I think LOTR 4K is certainly inevitable, but would a proper remaster be profitable ?

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Old 08-03-2015, 06:33 PM   #2
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What do you think? I think LOTR 4K is certainly inevitable, but would a proper remaster be profitable ?
I'm sure it will get a hybrid release somewhere along the lines, but I doubt very much that they'll go in and recreate the effects at a higher resolution. It would be just too costly.

Generally I think a lot of movies will get hybrid releases with up-scaled special-effects footage, but personally I think they should have some kind of True 4K stamp on movies that are proper releases and tell consumers when they're not getting the works.

It's going to be interesting to see what the first wave of release do and if they contain up-scaled effects what they actually look like (despite my misgivings I don't think it will be a huge difference).
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Old 08-03-2015, 07:39 PM   #3
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I wouldn't mind seeing the mines of Moria in UHD HDR.



And I want to see black levels extending to .0005 cd/m2 on an OLED display in those scenes, fully utilizing the ST-2084 standard.

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Old 08-03-2015, 08:42 PM   #4
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4K is pretty much a certainty, the majority of successful movies will be at least upscaled to 4K.
Remaking at native 4K, highly unlikely. Rendering and editing time would probably run into the millions.
3D probably won't happen either. Peter Jackson has said he won't do the conversion to 3D. Can't say I blame him. If in the future he changes his mind it could have the SFX/CGI redone in 4K.
As for doing a Lucas and messing with the originals to insert re-shot scenes with Martin Freeman, god I hope not.
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Old 08-03-2015, 08:57 PM   #5
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well.. he has said that no 3D "at the moment", but not indicating that he is no interested in it, and because it depends ultimately on the studio, which I think will undoubtedly do it.

Regardless the Martin Freeman shot in Fellowship Prologue, he has said he will do it as long as the original versions remain available, which to this day, they are.
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Old 09-07-2015, 08:17 AM   #6
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I would love to see Lord of the rings in 4K but it might not happen for a long time
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Old 09-07-2015, 01:06 PM   #7
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i'd love to have it in UHD. throw in an optional Freeman Bilbo prologue in seamless branching

They'd definitely need to re-render some VFX though, cause some of them already look like crap on blu ray.

and they'd have the chance to fix some mistakes from the extended edition blu rays, like the rogue matte in the trees on the two towers title screen, and the scene outside the ghost cave where Orlando Bloom forgot to wear his blue contacts
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they should just remaster this in 4K

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Old 09-07-2015, 03:43 PM   #9
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Inevitable? I'm more on the side of "very improbable". There's a reason the Hobbit films were finished in 2K, not 4K. The cost of re-doing the VFX/compositing/scanning would be out of proportion with the visual quality upgrade and the money they would make on re-releasing it. Of course, they could just upscale it, I doubt most people would notice or care.
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Old 09-07-2015, 04:25 PM   #10
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I wouldn't mind seeing the mines of Moria in UHD HDR.

http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2...wdelf_LoTR.png

And I want to see black levels extending to .0005 cd/m2 on an OLED display in those scenes, fully utilizing the ST-2084 standard.
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The funny thing is, that shot's made up of 2K visual effects!
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I would be happy to have this up scaled to UHD HDR.

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I would be happy just to have a proper remaster of Fellowship of the Ring, if it's from a 4K scan then all the better. Wouldn't care too much about UHD at the moment.
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I've always said. I'm rebuying LOTR and Star Wars if they ever come out in 4K
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I've always said. I'm rebuying LOTR and Star Wars if they ever come out in 4K
If you're smart. I waiting to see light shine 4K UHD LOTR and Star Wars.
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What's that? A 4K scan of a print? There's so little detail there it's hilarious.
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What's that? A 4K scan of a print? There's so little detail there it's hilarious.
IDK tbh , I found it on Google . Maybe it's a blown up picture from the 2K DI? I think it would still look better on 4K Blu-Ray due to less compression and a wee bit more resolution. I also think Donnie Darko looks better on Blu-Ray than on DVD, although many people seem to hate that transfer. I like to see grain restored and not eaten away by compression, I value those things, even though those changes (/benefits) are small.
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