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Old 09-03-2015, 05:34 PM   #1
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TFFK gets a release from WB today in france.
I was wondering if anyone has any information on it.
The previous release had hard subs, i know a lot of people are hoping that this is not going to have the same issue.
The only other release so far is a Spanish BDR.

If anyone has any information on this release i would be grateful.
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Old 09-04-2015, 09:43 AM   #2
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TFFK gets a release from WB today in france.
I was wondering if anyone has any information on it.
The previous release had hard subs, i know a lot of people are hoping that this is not going to have the same issue.
The only other release so far is a Spanish BDR.

If anyone has any information on this release i would be grateful.

It's probably the exact same 1080i disc, minus the pointless tin and magnet (and dvd).
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Old 09-04-2015, 10:02 AM   #3
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It's probably the exact same 1080i disc, minus the pointless tin and magnet (and dvd).
That's OOP now and while it isn't ideal, it looks better than the DVD. I may cave in this time and get it as its quite cheap and as no other country has released this yet and I've been waiting, waiting and waiting. Just need subtitles being removable confirmed.

Odd that it hasn't at least come out in Germany yet, where the film is more popular than anywhere else.
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Old 09-04-2015, 10:46 AM   #4
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That's OOP now and while it isn't ideal, it looks better than the DVD. I may cave in this time and get it as its quite cheap and as no other country has released this yet and I've been waiting, waiting and waiting. Just need subtitles being removable confirmed.

Odd that it hasn't at least come out in Germany yet, where the film is more popular than anywhere else.
I have the tin version, and indeed, it's at least an upgrade over the dvd. The specs are the same for both discs on this site.

If indeed this release does not have forced subs, I'll happily get rid of my tin version.
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Old 09-04-2015, 10:49 AM   #5
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I wouldn't be surprised that as soon as I buy this, Criterion or Arrow will announce a 4K master and a bells and whistles edition.

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This disc is most likely the exact same than the one in the metal tin case. Other titles like Reflections in a goldent eye are also getting re released at the same date hence this guess.
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Old 09-05-2015, 09:38 AM   #7
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The French BD is 1080i because it's from a PAL-mastered HD source, like a shockingly large number of French discs. No sale for me. I'll stick with my US DVD, I can't stand PAL-speedup.
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a PAL-mastered HD source like a shockingly large number of French discs.
Actually, there is a technical term for it, which is not PAL-mastered but 25 psf. It allows having only one speed to QC etc. for DVD, BD, TV & VoD.
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I wouldn't be surprised that as soon as I buy this, Criterion or Arrow will announce a 4K master and a bells and whistles edition.
If you do pick it up then please put our minds at ease over the sub issue
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Old 09-09-2015, 05:50 AM   #10
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Actually, there is a technical term for it, which is not PAL-mastered but 25 psf. It allows having only one speed to QC etc. for DVD, BD, TV & VoD.
Except that PAL doesn't (or shouldn't) exist anymore, with 1080 24p. And its fps (frames per second), not psf.
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Except that PAL doesn't (or shouldn't) exist anymore, with 1080 24p. And its fps (frames per second), not psf.
I'm continually amazed by how many French BDs have PAL-speedup/are 25 fps. I avoided buying PETER'S FRIENDS because it's sped up, and also avoided FEARLESS VAMPIRE KILLERS. I made the mistake of buying the French RUSSIA HOUSE, which is sped up. Luckily the German RUSSIA HOUSE is the correct speed, so I dumped the awful French disc, where everyone seemed to be on cocaine. And those just happen to be the ones I've encountered. I only own maybe five or six other French BDs, so that's a HUGE percentage that are sped up.
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Old 09-15-2015, 09:08 AM   #12
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I'm continually amazed by how many French BDs have PAL-speedup/are 25 fps. I avoided buying PETER'S FRIENDS because it's sped up, and also avoided FEARLESS VAMPIRE KILLERS. I made the mistake of buying the French RUSSIA HOUSE, which is sped up. Luckily the German RUSSIA HOUSE is the correct speed, so I dumped the awful French disc, where everyone seemed to be on cocaine. And those just happen to be the ones I've encountered. I only own maybe five or six other French BDs, so that's a HUGE percentage that are sped up.
Why'd you give a "review" of The Fearless Vampire Killers on this site even though you don't have the disc ?
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Old 09-15-2015, 07:54 PM   #13
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Why'd you give a "review" of The Fearless Vampire Killers on this site even though you don't have the disc ?
It was the only way to let prospective buyers (like I had been) know about the HUGE flaws in the disc that they would otherwise be unaware of. I always check the reviews here for obscure discs like this, and I'm sure others do too.

I nearly spent $40 to get it from Amazon.fr, and only was saved at the last minute by reading the old thread for this title:

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=216504

If I helped one person change their mind and avoid getting the disc, I'm glad. And if anyone still wanted it after reading my review, at least they bought it knowing about the technical details.

Everything I said in my review was corroborated my multiple people here, so I felt safe in writing it without wasting $40 on a physical copy of the disc. I sold my French BD of THE RUSSIA HOUSE because it had PAL-speedup, so my review of that is also now for a disc I don't have, it's really no different.

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It was the only way to let prospective buyers (like I had been) know about the HUGE flaws in the disc that they would otherwise be unaware of. I always check the reviews here for obscure discs like this, and I'm sure others do too.

I nearly spent $40 to get it from Amazon.fr, and only was saved at the last minute by reading the old thread for this title:

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=216504

If I helped one person change their mind and avoid getting the disc, I'm glad. And if anyone still wanted it after reading my review, at least they bought it knowing about the technical details.

Everything I said in my review was corroborated my multiple people here, so I felt safe in writing it without wasting $40 on a physical copy of the disc. I sold my French BD of THE RUSSIA HOUSE because it had PAL-speedup, so my review of that is also now for a disc I don't have, it's really no different.
The thing is, YOU haven't seen the disc and it's not as bad a you make it out to be. But that's normal because you've never seen it. People shouldn't be allowed to write false reviews. Notice in that thread that you linked to that some people said stuff like "it's not that bad" and such ? There's a reason for that.
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The thing is, YOU haven't seen the disc and it's not as bad a you make it out to be. But that's normal because you've never seen it. People shouldn't be allowed to write false reviews. Notice in that thread that you linked to that some people said stuff like "it's not that bad" and such ? There's a reason for that.
I'm familiar with what PAL-speedup looks like, I don't need to see this particular disc. It renders movies unwatchable to me and many others, though I admit some, including Europeans who grew up with it, don't notice it.

It's unacceptable to me for a BD of a 24fps film to use a 25fps HD master. It's pure laziness, the master was intended for PAL SD use and the distributor couldn't be bothered to create another at the proper speed for the BD. Usually it's local French distributors that have done this, I'm honestly shocked that Warner Bros released a disc like this, which is why I wanted to warn people.

I would have been extremely disappointed to receive this expensive Blu-Ray, only to play it and discover PAL-speedup, as happened when I ordered the French RUSSIA HOUSE BD. As I said, if I saved one person from buying this, it's worth it. And anyone who reads the review and is still okay with PAL-speedup can always buy and enjoy the disc, forewarned.

In addition, the disc has forced French subtitles, which people need to be aware of. American discs almost never have forced subs, so buyers here wouldn't expect them, and this is an English-language film being discussed by a sizable number of Americans.
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It renders movies unwatchable to me
Which is not the same as "unwatchable".
Actually, there are other problems before the wrong speed, but still, the Warner BD is far from unwatchable. You would know that if you, you know, actually had a look at the disc.
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I wrote a polite response here last night, but someone has decided to delete that post, along with my review.

All I said basically was that I give up.

I recognize that neither of you are bothered by PAL-speedup, but that's likely because you're Europeans and have known it all your life. To Americans it can be extremely distracting, and as this is an English-language film made and released on BD by an American film studio, I'm sure there is interest in the disc from Americans. I have owned plenty of PAL-sped-up discs, including BDs. PAL-speedup looks the same on every disc, there's no need to see an individual disc to know it's distracting to many Americans.

I was just trying to help people by giving them important technical information about the disc they could only otherwise find by plowing through 10+ pages of discussion in two separate threads.

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I wrote a polite response here last night, but someone has decided to delete that post, along with my review.

All I said basically was that I give up.

I recognize that neither of you are bothered by PAL-speedup, but that's likely because you're Europeans and have known it all your life. To Americans it can be extremely distracting, and as this is an English-language film made and released on BD by an American film studio, I'm sure there is interest in the disc from Americans. I have owned plenty of PAL-sped-up discs, including BDs. PAL-speedup looks the same on every disc, there's no need to see an individual disc to know it's distracting to many Americans.

I was just trying to help people by giving them important technical information about the disc they could only otherwise find by plowing through 10+ pages of discussion in two separate threads.
I was waiting for that one

You haven't seen the disc. Simple as that. You cannot judge it. There's no getting around that truth.

Imagine if reviewers based their reviews on what they THINK a disc is like, instead of actually watching the disc. Who on earth would take them seriously ?

Sadly, It appears that you would.
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I was waiting for that one
Multiple European friends of mine have said they don't notice PAL-speedup because they've seen movies that way all their lives. In fact they've been shocked to learn they were not watching movies at natural speed.

Americans tend to notice PAL-speedup because we've never encountered it. I'm being honest when I say that every single PAL-sped-up DVD and BD I've seen looks distracting.

I'm not judging the image quality of the disc, I never suggested I was. I'm speaking solely about the disc using a 25fps master when the film was shot at 24fps. I find that unacceptable in the age of HD.

I'm not sure what value you're suggesting there would be to watching this particular disc before speaking about this general technical issue, running a film 4% faster than was intended will look the same as on any other disc.

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Multiple European friends of mine have said they don't notice PAL-speedup because they've seen movies that way all their lives. In fact they've been shocked to learn they were not watching movies at natural speed.

Americans tend to notice PAL-speedup because we've never encountered it. I'm being honest when I say that every single PAL-sped-up DVD and BD I've seen looks distracting.

I'm not judging the image quality of the disc, I never suggested I was. I'm speaking solely about the disc using a 25fps master when the film was shot at 24fps. I find that unacceptable in the age of HD.

I'm not sure what value you're suggesting there would be to watching this particular disc before speaking about this general technical issue, running a film 4% faster than was intended will look the same as on any other disc.
I don't care about your European friends. You love generalising, and I find it offensive. I worked in the Cinema Store in London (selling dvds and lazers in their notorious basement (IMPORTS) I also worked next door in their region 2 dept), when I was 20 something years old. I did that for years. I'm now 39. I had a shop and web-site selling dvds for 4 years, here in France (specialising in imports). You gonna continue judging me?

More importantly, you also said the disc is unwatchable. That's a flat out lie.
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