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Old 06-12-2017, 05:48 PM   #1
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I'm sure others like myself, have existing receivers that are not getting firmware updates for dolby vision. My 4K/HDR Denon from 2015 is not getting the update. What receivers are people currently using that are compatible? What makes sense?
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Old 06-12-2017, 07:08 PM   #2
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Almost the entire line of Pioneer 2017 A/V receivers offer HDMI 2.0b with Dolby Vision. I would need to do some more research to see what other brands and models will also offer this feature in the year 2017.


New under $500 2017 Pioneer A/V receiver with HDMI 2.0b DolbyVision and virtual ATMOS
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Old 06-12-2017, 07:11 PM   #3
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It's been confirmed that certain models of 2016 Yamaha receivers will get a Dolby Vision update this fall. I'm happy the update is coming for my RX-A3060, but it's going to be a long wait till it's fall
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Old 06-12-2017, 07:12 PM   #4
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Onkyo also announced that its 2016 (and onward) receivers will receive firmware upgrades.
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Practically all new 2017 receivers are coming with Dolby Vision compatibility. Besides the aforementioned Pioneers, the Denon x400H and Sx30H series, Yamaha RX-Vx83 and Aventage RX-Ax70 series, and the Onkyo TX-NRx7x series (except the 373).
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what 4k player do you have?... the oppo 203 has 2 outs so I ran one to my tv for video and the other to my receiver for audio... my onkyo receiver will not be getting dolby vision but my oppo 203 just got the firmware update and my lg c7 has it already so hopefully I should be good to go
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I'm sure others like myself, have existing receivers that are not getting firmware updates for dolby vision. My 4K/HDR Denon from 2015 is not getting the update. What receivers are people currently using that are compatible? What makes sense?
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Well anything earlier then 2016 won't be seeing a eventual Dolby Vision patch

see Is My AV Receiver Dolby Vision-Compatible? - Sound & Vision
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Q Sony recently announced a firmware update that adds Dolby Vision support for my TV, the XBR-65Z9D. Here’s my question: Will my Pioneer Elite SC-LX901 receiver be able to pass signals from Dolby Vision discs played on Ultra HD Blu-ray players that support Dolby Vision? The SC-LX901 is equipped with HDMI version 2.0a connections, so I’m assuming it should have no problem. —Cesar Sanchez

A One would think so. According to Pioneer, the HDMI version 2.0a connections on the Elite SC-LX901 have sufficient bandwidth to convey Ultra HD video signals with resolutions up to 4K/60p/4:4:4. They can also pass the high dynamic range (HDR) metadata used to trigger expanded highlights and extended shadow detail on compatible TVs from movies mastered in the HDR10 format. Regular HDMI 2.0 connections, which are found on certain receivers released prior to 2016, do not pass HDR metadata. Version 2.0a specifically adds that capability.

Unlike HDR10, support for Dolby Vision isn’t tied to a specific flavor of HDMI. That’s because Dolby designed its format, which employs dynamic metadata that varies on a frame-by-frame basis rather than the static metadata used with HDR10, to work independent of HDMI versions, with the metadata embedded in the video signal itself instead of riding on top in a separate layer. According to the company, Dolby Vision is compatible with HDMI versions extending as far back as HDMI 1.4b.

Having said all that, when I ran your question by Dolby, here’s the answer I received: “Dolby Vision can technically be routed through any equipment starting at v1.4.b and above, however, the device needs to be aware of the kind of signal properties that differentiate Dolby Vision from a standard SDR signal. To this effect, we have issued a compatibility SDK that several manufacturers have already used to obtain pass-through compatibility on upcoming products. Compatibility on existing products is something that could possibly achieved as well, but is of course at the discretion of each manufacturer/OEM.”

To me, Dolby’s statement indicates that passing Dolby Vision through an existing HDMI 2.0a receiver won’t be the same simple matter that it is with HDR10. The manufacturer will need to provide a firmware update to enable Dolby Vision pass-through. So, my answer to your question is: Yes, as long as Pioneer provides a firmware update for the Elite SC-LX901. Dolby also mentioned that a “Dolby Vision Compatible’’ logo will be applied to upcoming AV receivers from Onkyo, Pioneer, Denon, and Marantz, which means that receivers with out-of-box Dolby Vision pass-through will be available in the future.
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It's been confirmed that certain models of 2016 Yamaha receivers will get a Dolby Vision update this fall. I'm happy the update is coming for my RX-A3060, but it's going to be a long wait till it's fall

Gave my 2015 Marantz the boot and got a Yamaha A3060 for that very reason. D&M nickeled and dimed the 3 iterations of the 7700 series preamp with no HDR, HDR10/no DV, and then HDR10/DV. They lost my business and Yamaha gained a new customer.
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Anyone hear about a firmware update for the Marantz 2016 line-up ??
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I'm sure others like myself, have existing receivers that are not getting firmware updates for dolby vision. My 4K/HDR Denon from 2015 is not getting the update. What receivers are people currently using that are compatible? What makes sense?
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The main point here is that other then missing the onscreen display, your not at any severe detriment with having to split video and audio to be able to see Dolby Vision media if that is what you want.
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Some displays and A/V receivers that are currently HDMI 2.0a will receive a firmware update to HDMI 2.0b with full Dolby Vision support. One just needs to contact the manufactory of the equipment to see if they will receive a firmware update. Worse case scenario is one will need to purchase a new display or A/V receiver.
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Anyone hear about a firmware update for the Marantz 2016 line-up ??
Is it here?
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Old 06-12-2017, 08:38 PM   #13
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Some displays and A/V receivers that are currently HDMI 2.0a will receive a firmware update to HDMI 2.0b with full Dolby Vision support. One just needs to contact the manufactory of the equipment to see if they will receive a firmware update. Worse case scenario is one will need to purchase a new display or A/V receiver.
I think the real issue is that most of the AVR vendors are offering the DV + HLG patch at a snail's pace. For example D&M for select 2016 models it won't be until later 2017 maybe 2018.
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Thanks JohnAV, my receiver is among the products that get an update by fall
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I had thought Dolby Vision could use existing HDMI 2.0a connections and only the players need the update?
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The main point here is that other then missing the onscreen display, your not at any severe detriment with having to split video and audio to be able to see Dolby Vision media if that is what you want.
Thank you guys for your responses. My other problem is I currently have the Xbox One S as my 4K UHD player. I plan on purchasing another player as I have not been happy with it. I have owned Oppo's in the past and might go that route, but I heard the LG player has DV and it might get along nice with my OLED LG TV. I probably should've went the route of the Oppo player first, instead of changing my receiver. Ooops
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I had thought Dolby Vision could use existing HDMI 2.0a connections and only the players need the update?
Your shooting for HDMI 2.0b compliance in AVR's

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HDMI Specification Version 2.0b (HDMI 2.0b) only supported HDR (High Dynamic Range) video transport in the SMPTE ST 2084 EOTF (as applied in the media profile commonly known as HDR10), by referencing the CTA861.3 specification. The Consumer Technology Association (CTA) has recently notified the HDMI Forum of the adoption of a new version of the CTA-861 Specification, CTA-861-G. This new version provides additional support for HDR Video transport by including (among others) an extension to the static metadata signaling to include the HLG (Hybrid Log Gamma) EOTF. The HDMI Forum has assessed the applicability of the CTA-861-G Specification to HDMI 2.0b. The HDMI Forum has confirmed that the extension of the static metadata signaling to include HLG can be utilized under the existing HDMI 2.0b Specification. This means that HLG Video Transport functionality may be implemented on HDMI 2.0b compliant devices.
Specifically Oppo stated the following:

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Q -Is the UDP-203's main HDMI output 2.0, 2.0a or 2.0b?

A - In our documentation, we are not distinguishing between the a/b revisions of the HDMI 2.0. We simply use the HDMI 2.0 term to show that the player can output video at the 18Gbps data rate. If we must use a revision number, currently the main HDMI output on the UDP-203 is HDMI 2.0a since the difference between the 2.0a revision and initial 2.0 is the support for HDR, and the player supports HDR. When we upgrade the player to support Dolby Vision in the future, the output will become HDMI 2.0b compliant since supporting HLG (Hybrid Log Gamma) HDR meta data is the difference between 2.0b and 2.0a. The HDMI input and output are HDCP 2.2 compliant.

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Old 06-13-2017, 12:46 AM   #18
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My Pioneer SC LX-76 from 2012 passes a 4K video signal but not the HDCP2 used by UHD BD.
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Old 06-13-2017, 01:02 AM   #19
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all 2016 denon and marantz AVR's will get the update later this year/early 2018

its ridiculous how long we have to wait. for now i have my oppo 203 using dual hdmis to get around the issue
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I did a comparison with the UB900 vs the Oppo 203 with despicable me 1 and two, The oppo in dolby vision mode makes the UB900 look bad its no comparing the two playera anymore . Dolby vision superior color and light management also produces a more refined contrast range From dark to light scenes and movies that were shot in 2k look 4k masters in dolby vision, have you got the dolby vision upgrade for the oppo in the UK.
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