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Old 07-18-2017, 05:43 AM   #1
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Default Why is Roman Holiday ( 1953) still not on Blu-Ray?

This is not meant as a rant. I just honestly don't understand HOW it can't be on Blu-Ray after 11 years?

It's a classic. Hands down. Audrey Hepburn's first major role. Hepburn winning best actress for the Oscars that year. Stars Gregory Peck. Was nominated for best movie st the Oscars that year. Won several other Oscars.

With all this being said, why isn't it on Blu still? I'm looking for serious answers. Is someone holding the rights up?

If there's any justice in the Blu world, it will get a release ( if not a Criterion release!) soon!
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Old 07-18-2017, 06:04 AM   #2
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Paramount sucks.

Next question?
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Old 07-18-2017, 06:23 AM   #3
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This is completely a guess, but it's as logical as anything.

The film originally did not credit Dalton Trumbo at all, because he was blacklisted. It credited his friend Ian McLellan Hunter, who agreed to front for Trumbo.

Trumbo's "story by" credit was legally restored in 1991, but the actual film opening credits left him off until the 2002 DVD, when that title card was digitally altered. Watch this video from 5:00-5:32 for an explanation:


The credit was further revised in 2011, when Trumbo's screenplay credit was restored too:

https://www.wgfoundation.org/summer-...roman-holiday/

The WGA article above shows there's a new master with the current credit, so I don't think it's a technical issue holding up a release at this point. However I wouldn't be surprised if the legal issues surrounding the writing credits have played a part in holding this film back from BD.

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Old 07-18-2017, 07:24 AM   #4
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Honestly, I think you're trying to attribute a deeper meaning to simple incompetence.

Ordinary People, a Best Picture Oscar winner itself, doesn't have any of these issues. Pretty in Pink doesn't have any of these issues. The Shootist doesn't have any of these issues. And they're all MIA as well simply because Paramount just didn't release them and won't license them out.

So, if they won't do anything with other major movies, why should Roman Holiday be held up because of something other than simple stupidity?
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Honestly, I think you're trying to attribute a deeper meaning to simple incompetence.

Ordinary People, a Best Picture Oscar winner itself, doesn't have any of these issues. Pretty in Pink doesn't have any of these issues. The Shootist doesn't have any of these issues. And they're all MIA as well simply because Paramount just didn't release them and won't license them out.

So, if they won't do anything with other major movies, why should Roman Holiday be held up because of something other than simple stupidity?
This is it exactly. Paramount have not released any new to blu-ray catalogue titles in years. They have imposed limitations on the types of titles that Kino and Olive can release on blu-ray. They have licenced a handful of titles to Criterion but the last one I can remember was Downhill Racer and even if my memory is faulty, there's still barely any other examples. To put it simply, Paramount just doesn't seem to care about getting any more of their classic titles on blu-ray.
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Old 07-18-2017, 07:56 AM   #6
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it on blu-ray overseas
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Old 07-18-2017, 07:59 AM   #7
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it on blu-ray overseas
Where? A bootleg perhaps, but there's no listing on this site for one.
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It's true, it could be due to simple laziness. However Paramount released all their other Audrey Hepburn titles on BD:

Sabrina
Funny Face
War and Peace
Breakfast at Tiffany's
My Fair Lady (twice)
except, for some reason the extremely obscure (unjustly obscure, in my mind) Paris When It Sizzles.

The fact that they released all the others, including the restored My Fair Lady just recently, suggests it's possible they might have been forced for some contractual/legal reason to hold back the multi-Oscar-winning jewel of the group.
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Old 07-18-2017, 08:05 AM   #9
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it on blu-ray overseas
I don't know of any releases anywhere in the world, even bootlegs.

There's an iTunes HD version, but the image quality reviews are dreadful:

http://notonbluray.com/blog/roman-ho...itunes-review/
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Should have gone in the Wishlist section...

There is a BD of it, just that it is a Spanish bootleg edition and should be avoided.
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Old 07-18-2017, 11:18 AM   #13
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This is completely a guess, but it's as logical as anything.

The film originally did not credit Dalton Trumbo at all, because he was blacklisted. It credited his friend Ian McLellan Hunter, who agreed to front for Trumbo.

Trumbo's "story by" credit was legally restored in 1991, but the actual film opening credits left him off until the 2002 DVD, when that title card was digitally altered. Watch this video from 5:00-5:32 for an explanation:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBT7...youtu.be&t=300

The credit was further revised in 2011, when Trumbo's screenplay credit was restored too:

https://www.wgfoundation.org/summer-...roman-holiday/

The WGA article above shows there's a new master with the current credit, so I don't think it's a technical issue holding up a release at this point. However I wouldn't be surprised if the legal issues surrounding the writing credits have played a part in holding this film back from BD.
That's not why its not on Blu-ray yet. There is an HD version derived from the new restoration that has the restored credit available on digital and broadcast TV.

Either Paramount is waiting for the right time to release it themselves or its going to come from Criterion.
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Paramount recently completed 4K restorations of "A Place in the Sun" (1951) and "Romeo and Juliet" (1968). I wish they'd release those themselves, or license them to someone who will.
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It's true, it could be due to simple laziness. However Paramount released all their other Audrey Hepburn titles on BD:

Sabrina
Funny Face
War and Peace
Breakfast at Tiffany's
My Fair Lady (twice)
except, for some reason the extremely obscure (unjustly obscure, in my mind) Paris When It Sizzles.

The fact that they released all the others, including the restored My Fair Lady just recently, suggests it's possible they might have been forced for some contractual/legal reason to hold back the multi-Oscar-winning jewel of the group.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but My Fair Lady is actually CBS's baby, not the Paramount side, which would explain why it's been released and restored more than once.

But otherwise, you're right, most of the rest of Their Hepburn movies have been released, minus Paris When It Sizzles. Sabrina actually only escaped thanks to Warner Brothers, though.

So it's a mystery as to what the Roman Holiday holdup is, especially since there's an HD version out there that has seen streaming, TV, and even theatrical release in the last two years.

With all those releases, that's why I'm more likely to chalk it up to Paramount stupidity than any legal issue, since the film is available on literally every HD platform but disc based home video.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but My Fair Lady is actually CBS's baby, not the Paramount side, which would explain why it's been released and restored more than once.
True, MFL belongs to CBS, but they've released it through Paramount for a while now. But you're right, it's not actually a Paramount-controlled title.
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Spanish edition is not a bootleg
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To be fair this is a pretty obscure film. Audrey Hepburn was just dipping her toes in the dramatic waters at this point before going on to more well known roles.

[Show spoiler].... heh heh, NOT. You gotta laugh in order not to cry.

No idea why this iconic film with its amazing performances isn't on BD yet. It borders on criminally negligent, really.
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To be fair this is a pretty obscure film. Audrey Hepburn was just dipping her toes in the dramatic waters at this point before going on to more well known roles.

[Show spoiler].... heh heh, NOT. You gotta laugh in order not to cry.

No idea why this iconic film with its amazing performances isn't on BD yet. It borders on criminally negligent, really.
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Spanish edition is not a bootleg
You mean this one that's a BD-R and not even by a legitimate company?

https://www.amazon.es/Vacaciones-Rom...=roman+holiday
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