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Old 02-09-2021, 05:57 PM   #381
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Glad to see Iím not the only one having this issue. Hopefully enough people reach out to Arrow so they can fully look into this.
Definitely add time stamps and descriptions of any distortions you find to this thread so others can see and check. Did you (or anyone else) notice any issues with regular dialogue or sound effects or the musical score? So far, it sounds like only actual songs in the movie are affected.
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Old 02-09-2021, 06:22 PM   #382
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Here are my time stamps for the Killers song and the Sarah Michelle Gellar song that I sent to Arrow:

While it is throughout the entire musical scene, it becomes extremely noticeable in chapter 7 around time stamp 1:18:48.
It kind of sounds like the music was played through a fan. It has this buzzing effect that is extremely distracting. I could attempt to take a video with my phone but Iím not sure that would really capture what Iím talking about. I noticed it during the Sarah Michelle Gellar song in chapter 6 at 1:04:32. Iíve checked a few other scenes with music, and a lot of that has a buzzy quality to it as well.

I checked the Cannes cut again around the same point for the Killers song (in this version, itís at chapter 7 at 1:26:28) and I noticed this effect was present here as well, but much less pronounced. (Same with the Sarah Michelle Gellar song at 01:01:47 on this cut)
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Old 02-10-2021, 04:03 AM   #383
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Here are my time stamps for the Killers song and the Sarah Michelle Gellar song that I sent to Arrow:

While it is throughout the entire musical scene, it becomes extremely noticeable in chapter 7 around time stamp 1:18:48.
It kind of sounds like the music was played through a fan. It has this buzzing effect that is extremely distracting. I could attempt to take a video with my phone but Iím not sure that would really capture what Iím talking about. I noticed it during the Sarah Michelle Gellar song in chapter 6 at 1:04:32. Iíve checked a few other scenes with music, and a lot of that has a buzzy quality to it as well.

I checked the Cannes cut again around the same point for the Killers song (in this version, itís at chapter 7 at 1:26:28) and I noticed this effect was present here as well, but much less pronounced. (Same with the Sarah Michelle Gellar song at 01:01:47 on this cut)
Yeah Iím having this same problem. Thereís a loud buzzing during the whole killers scene. I emailed Arrow about it too
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Old 02-10-2021, 11:53 AM   #384
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I checked the Killers scene on both cuts and didn't notice any issues...sorry.

To be fair, i got the UK Disc, maybe this problem is only on the US disc or maybe i just don't hear it.
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Old 02-10-2021, 01:56 PM   #385
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Well, I was able to finish the film last night. (Cannes Cut). This is a movie I really WANTED to like. With such an amazing cast and talent involved, it just in a way feels like waste. At the end the day the differences between the Cannes Cut and the theatrical cut are marginal at best at least for me. I do think there are a lot of great shots in the film, but it wastes so much time on exposition and making sure we really can't relate to any of the characters. Nobody feels real, and that might be the point, but it didn't work for me.

At the end of the day, if you love the film, buy this release. It's amazing. Just don't go into it expecting the Cannes cut to be something that will change your opinion.

I do wish Richard Kelly was directing films still, and I'm surprised he hasn't done anything since 2009.
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Old 02-10-2021, 02:06 PM   #386
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Well, I was able to finish the film last night. (Cannes Cut). This is a movie I really WANTED to like. With such an amazing cast and talent involved, it just in a way feels like waste. At the end the day the differences between the Cannes Cut and the theatrical cut are marginal at best at least for me. I do think there are a lot of great shots in the film, but it wastes so much time on exposition and making sure we really can't relate to any of the characters. Nobody feels real, and that might be the point, but it didn't work for me.

At the end of the day, if you love the film, buy this release. It's amazing. Just don't go into it expecting the Cannes cut to be something that will change your opinion.

I do wish Richard Kelly was directing films still, and I'm surprised he hasn't done anything since 2009.
this is what I don't get with directors (and musicians for that matter) how some can go years without any new movies (albums), what do you with all that free time (musicians tour, that's a given) but still? I want that type of job ~ LOL
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Old 02-10-2021, 02:15 PM   #387
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Who did the authoring for the disc? If it's Fidelity-in-Motion they've tended to master their audio tracks on the loud side.
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Old 02-12-2021, 06:43 PM   #388
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Anyone else hear back from arrow? They basically told me that everything on the release was intentional by Richard Kelly.
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Old 02-12-2021, 06:49 PM   #389
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Who did the authoring for the disc? If it's Fidelity-in-Motion they've tended to master their audio tracks on the loud side.
The Engine House authored the disc.
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Old 02-13-2021, 06:53 PM   #390
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I checked both my discs and they're both fine - sound is great - i also have the UK disc


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I checked the Killers scene on both cuts and didn't notice any issues...sorry.

To be fair, i got the UK Disc, maybe this problem is only on the US disc or maybe i just don't hear it.
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I picked up the old Sony release and checked and that definitely does not have any distortion at all. I also noticed the vocals for "Wave of Mutilation" by the Pixies that plays from around 0:50:50 - 0:51:50 on the Theatrical Disc and 0:54:50 - 0:55:50 on the Cannes Disc sound bad as well, like they're being filtered through a fan when compared to the old Sony release, which sounds good. I also noticed it at a few other points during some of the contemporary songs when I watched the Cannes disc and in the same spots when I checked the theatrical disc, but a bit more noticeable.

I emailed Arrow with a detailed breakdown of what I noticed, but it sounds like they will just hand-wave this as "intended" despite sounding like a error with the mix. It seems odd that it would only be on the US disc and not the UK disc when the contents are identical.
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Had the exact same issue tonight with the audio. Sounded awful in comparison to the older U.S. disc in a number of places. Hoping we get some clarification on this soon!
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Old 02-15-2021, 04:38 PM   #393
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I received a response from Arrow. They said "we've checked on the audio with production and the audio was supplied by Sony Pictures with no additional work done on it at our end and has all been approved by Richard Kelly."

Pretty disappointing that they don't seem to want to deal with this or even look into it. I also noticed, distortion issues aside, that the new Arrow release sounds a bit more robust, especially with the bass, when compared to the old Sony release, so it certainly doesn't seem like they just plopped the audio from Sony onto the new disc.
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Old 02-15-2021, 04:52 PM   #394
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but it sounds like they will just hand-wave this as "intended"
Classic Arrow.
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Old 02-15-2021, 05:25 PM   #395
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Odd. I’ve only watched the Cannes cut from the Arrow release, but I remember thinking the fidelity sounded good, and less dynamically compressed than the Sony release of the Theatrical cut. I had seemed to recall thinking the Killers scene in particular sounded bad on the Sony, being very loud and awash in reverb. This could be a difference from the Cannes and Theatrical mixes, but I do have my player set to output PCM and decode internally, could this be a bitstream issue?
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So I just made my way through:
  • The Original Sky HD UK screening of the Cannes Cut (.TS file)
  • Sony Region A Blu Ray
  • Universal UK DVD
  • Wild Side Video French DVD
  • Arrow Video Region B Blu Ray

Listening with Apple Airpods.
And I can confirm that:
  • PAL speedup is even worse than I remembered! Some of the women sound like chipmunks!
  • The goofy baseball announcer lines were not in the Sky HD Cannes Cut
  • The goofy baseball announcer lines are still present in the Richard Kelly audio commentary
  • The Arrow Video theatrical cut has audio issues on both the DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1 and 2.0 tracks, which are much more pronounced during the musical sequences, but is actually there throughout the film - the 'fan effect' can be heard when people are speaking long words - Cyndi Pinzikis dialogue really stood out to me.
  • The Arrow Video Cannes Cut has the same audio problem on both the DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1 and 2.0 tracks, but it is much less pronounced, the spot where is really stood out for me was during the cymbal crashes on The Killers - All these things that I've done.

Well, that's pretty damn annoying... I'm gonna email Arrow Video UK, but, not to e defeatist - I don't think it will do much good
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Hmm, that doesn’t sound good... (Pun intended)

Since you got so many versions are you able to extract audio samples for Arrow to review?
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Hmm, that doesnít sound good... (Pun intended)

Since you got so many versions are you able to extract audio samples for Arrow to review?
Possibly... I'm using a blu ray drive on a laptop so I could use the airpods.
I need to figure out how to record audio that's playing on Power DVD...
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I received a response from Arrow. They said "we've checked on the audio with production and the audio was supplied by Sony Pictures with no additional work done on it at our end and has all been approved by Richard Kelly."

Pretty disappointing that they don't seem to want to deal with this or even look into it. I also noticed, distortion issues aside, that the new Arrow release sounds a bit more robust, especially with the bass, when compared to the old Sony release, so it certainly doesn't seem like they just plopped the audio from Sony onto the new disc.
Yikes! I mean it was such an issue for me I probably won't ever watch the Arrow disc again. The Killers section is soooo bad. I'll send them an email soon.
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I ripped the Theatrical Cut to my HD using MakeMKV. After that I extracted the DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1 track and converted it to a Stereo PCM Wav file.

Here's a clip of The Killers segment:

https://www.mediafire.com/file/h7goz...illers.7z/file

Both the 5.1 and the Stereo track sound absolutely fine to me (I listened to them with some good quality Sennheiser headphones). I also watched the Cannes Cut last week and I didn't notice any problems with that either. Someone mentioned that Moby's 'Memory Gospel' sounded very quiet on the Cannes Cut, but it sounded plenty loud to me!

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