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b_squared · 02-09-2021, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by waxlion

Glad to see I’m not the only one having this issue. Hopefully enough people reach out to Arrow so they can fully look into this.

Definitely add time stamps and descriptions of any distortions you find to this thread so others can see and check. Did you (or anyone else) notice any issues with regular dialogue or sound effects or the musical score? So far, it sounds like only actual songs in the movie are affected.

waxlion · 02-09-2021, 06:22 PM

Here are my time stamps for the Killers song and the Sarah Michelle Gellar song that I sent to Arrow:

While it is throughout the entire musical scene, it becomes extremely noticeable in chapter 7 around time stamp 1:18:48.
It kind of sounds like the music was played through a fan. It has this buzzing effect that is extremely distracting. I could attempt to take a video with my phone but I’m not sure that would really capture what I’m talking about. I noticed it during the Sarah Michelle Gellar song in chapter 6 at 1:04:32. I’ve checked a few other scenes with music, and a lot of that has a buzzy quality to it as well.

I checked the Cannes cut again around the same point for the Killers song (in this version, it’s at chapter 7 at 1:26:28) and I noticed this effect was present here as well, but much less pronounced. (Same with the Sarah Michelle Gellar song at 01:01:47 on this cut)

fleotiden · 02-10-2021, 04:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by waxlion

Here are my time stamps for the Killers song and the Sarah Michelle Gellar song that I sent to Arrow:

While it is throughout the entire musical scene, it becomes extremely noticeable in chapter 7 around time stamp 1:18:48.
It kind of sounds like the music was played through a fan. It has this buzzing effect that is extremely distracting. I could attempt to take a video with my phone but I’m not sure that would really capture what I’m talking about. I noticed it during the Sarah Michelle Gellar song in chapter 6 at 1:04:32. I’ve checked a few other scenes with music, and a lot of that has a buzzy quality to it as well.

I checked the Cannes cut again around the same point for the Killers song (in this version, it’s at chapter 7 at 1:26:28) and I noticed this effect was present here as well, but much less pronounced. (Same with the Sarah Michelle Gellar song at 01:01:47 on this cut)

Yeah I’m having this same problem. There’s a loud buzzing during the whole killers scene. I emailed Arrow about it too

MDK · 02-10-2021, 11:53 AM

I checked the Killers scene on both cuts and didn't notice any issues...sorry.

To be fair, i got the UK Disc, maybe this problem is only on the US disc or maybe i just don't hear it.

DukeTogo84 · 02-10-2021, 01:56 PM

Well, I was able to finish the film last night. (Cannes Cut). This is a movie I really WANTED to like. With such an amazing cast and talent involved, it just in a way feels like waste. At the end the day the differences between the Cannes Cut and the theatrical cut are marginal at best at least for me. I do think there are a lot of great shots in the film, but it wastes so much time on exposition and making sure we really can't relate to any of the characters. Nobody feels real, and that might be the point, but it didn't work for me.

At the end of the day, if you love the film, buy this release. It's amazing. Just don't go into it expecting the Cannes cut to be something that will change your opinion.

I do wish Richard Kelly was directing films still, and I'm surprised he hasn't done anything since 2009.

Dubstar · 02-10-2021, 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DukeTogo84

Well, I was able to finish the film last night. (Cannes Cut). This is a movie I really WANTED to like. With such an amazing cast and talent involved, it just in a way feels like waste. At the end the day the differences between the Cannes Cut and the theatrical cut are marginal at best at least for me. I do think there are a lot of great shots in the film, but it wastes so much time on exposition and making sure we really can't relate to any of the characters. Nobody feels real, and that might be the point, but it didn't work for me.

At the end of the day, if you love the film, buy this release. It's amazing. Just don't go into it expecting the Cannes cut to be something that will change your opinion.

I do wish Richard Kelly was directing films still, and I'm surprised he hasn't done anything since 2009.

this is what I don't get with directors (and musicians for that matter) how some can go years without any new movies (albums), what do you with all that free time (musicians tour, that's a given) but still? I want that type of job ~ LOL

Dailyan · 02-10-2021, 02:15 PM

Who did the authoring for the disc? If it's Fidelity-in-Motion they've tended to master their audio tracks on the loud side.

waxlion · 02-12-2021, 06:43 PM

Anyone else hear back from arrow? They basically told me that everything on the release was intentional by Richard Kelly.

Gacivory · 02-12-2021, 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dailyan

Who did the authoring for the disc? If it's Fidelity-in-Motion they've tended to master their audio tracks on the loud side.

The Engine House authored the disc.

itsadammatt · 02-13-2021, 06:53 PM

I checked both my discs and they're both fine - sound is great - i also have the UK disc

Quote:

Originally Posted by MDK

I checked the Killers scene on both cuts and didn't notice any issues...sorry.

To be fair, i got the UK Disc, maybe this problem is only on the US disc or maybe i just don't hear it.

b_squared · 02-13-2021, 09:36 PM

I picked up the old Sony release and checked and that definitely does not have any distortion at all. I also noticed the vocals for "Wave of Mutilation" by the Pixies that plays from around 0:50:50 - 0:51:50 on the Theatrical Disc and 0:54:50 - 0:55:50 on the Cannes Disc sound bad as well, like they're being filtered through a fan when compared to the old Sony release, which sounds good. I also noticed it at a few other points during some of the contemporary songs when I watched the Cannes disc and in the same spots when I checked the theatrical disc, but a bit more noticeable.

I emailed Arrow with a detailed breakdown of what I noticed, but it sounds like they will just hand-wave this as "intended" despite sounding like a error with the mix. It seems odd that it would only be on the US disc and not the UK disc when the contents are identical.

jaffef · 02-14-2021, 05:57 AM

Had the exact same issue tonight with the audio. Sounded awful in comparison to the older U.S. disc in a number of places. Hoping we get some clarification on this soon!

b_squared · 02-15-2021, 04:38 PM

I received a response from Arrow. They said "we've checked on the audio with production and the audio was supplied by Sony Pictures with no additional work done on it at our end and has all been approved by Richard Kelly."

Pretty disappointing that they don't seem to want to deal with this or even look into it. I also noticed, distortion issues aside, that the new Arrow release sounds a bit more robust, especially with the bass, when compared to the old Sony release, so it certainly doesn't seem like they just plopped the audio from Sony onto the new disc.

DR Herbert West · 02-15-2021, 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by b_squared

but it sounds like they will just hand-wave this as "intended"

Classic Arrow.

Onlysleeping23 · 02-15-2021, 05:25 PM

Odd. I’ve only watched the Cannes cut from the Arrow release, but I remember thinking the fidelity sounded good, and less dynamically compressed than the Sony release of the Theatrical cut. I had seemed to recall thinking the Killers scene in particular sounded bad on the Sony, being very loud and awash in reverb. This could be a difference from the Cannes and Theatrical mixes, but I do have my player set to output PCM and decode internally, could this be a bitstream issue?

Pineapples101 · 02-15-2021, 09:10 PM

So I just made my way through:

The Original Sky HD UK screening of the Cannes Cut (.TS file)
Sony Region A Blu Ray
Universal UK DVD
Wild Side Video French DVD
Arrow Video Region B Blu Ray

Listening with Apple Airpods.
And I can confirm that:

PAL speedup is even worse than I remembered! Some of the women sound like chipmunks!
The goofy baseball announcer lines were not in the Sky HD Cannes Cut
The goofy baseball announcer lines are still present in the Richard Kelly audio commentary
The Arrow Video theatrical cut has audio issues on both the DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1 and 2.0 tracks, which are much more pronounced during the musical sequences, but is actually there throughout the film - the 'fan effect' can be heard when people are speaking long words - Cyndi Pinzikis dialogue really stood out to me.
The Arrow Video Cannes Cut has the same audio problem on both the DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1 and 2.0 tracks, but it is much less pronounced, the spot where is really stood out for me was during the cymbal crashes on The Killers - All these things that I've done.

Well, that's pretty damn annoying... I'm gonna email Arrow Video UK, but, not to e defeatist - I don't think it will do much good

MaestroJules · 02-16-2021, 06:24 AM

Hmm, that doesn’t sound good... (Pun intended)

Since you got so many versions are you able to extract audio samples for Arrow to review?

Pineapples101 · 02-16-2021, 09:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaestroJules

Hmm, that doesn’t sound good... (Pun intended)

Since you got so many versions are you able to extract audio samples for Arrow to review?

Possibly... I'm using a blu ray drive on a laptop so I could use the airpods.
I need to figure out how to record audio that's playing on Power DVD...

jaffef · 02-16-2021, 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by b_squared

I received a response from Arrow. They said "we've checked on the audio with production and the audio was supplied by Sony Pictures with no additional work done on it at our end and has all been approved by Richard Kelly."

Pretty disappointing that they don't seem to want to deal with this or even look into it. I also noticed, distortion issues aside, that the new Arrow release sounds a bit more robust, especially with the bass, when compared to the old Sony release, so it certainly doesn't seem like they just plopped the audio from Sony onto the new disc.

Yikes! I mean it was such an issue for me I probably won't ever watch the Arrow disc again. The Killers section is soooo bad. I'll send them an email soon.

Spiderwalk · 02-16-2021, 04:58 PM

I ripped the Theatrical Cut to my HD using MakeMKV. After that I extracted the DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1 track and converted it to a Stereo PCM Wav file.

Here's a clip of The Killers segment:

https://www.mediafire.com/file/h7goz...illers.7z/file

Both the 5.1 and the Stereo track sound absolutely fine to me (I listened to them with some good quality Sennheiser headphones). I also watched the Cannes Cut last week and I didn't notice any problems with that either. Someone mentioned that Moby's 'Memory Gospel' sounded very quiet on the Cannes Cut, but it sounded plenty loud to me!

02-15-2021, 09:10 PM	#396
Pineapples101 Expert Member Member since:Jan 2006 Location:Wales UK 4K collection:2 Blu-ray collection:1102 DVD collection:69 MA collection:444 Digital collection:342 iTunes collection:546 Trading Score:27	So I just made my way through: The Original Sky HD UK screening of the Cannes Cut (.TS file) Sony Region A Blu Ray Universal UK DVD Wild Side Video French DVD Arrow Video Region B Blu Ray Listening with Apple Airpods. And I can confirm that: PAL speedup is even worse than I remembered! Some of the women sound like chipmunks! The goofy baseball announcer lines were not in the Sky HD Cannes Cut The goofy baseball announcer lines are still present in the Richard Kelly audio commentary The Arrow Video theatrical cut has audio issues on both the DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1 and 2.0 tracks, which are much more pronounced during the musical sequences, but is actually there throughout the film - the 'fan effect' can be heard when people are speaking long words - Cyndi Pinzikis dialogue really stood out to me. The Arrow Video Cannes Cut has the same audio problem on both the DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1 and 2.0 tracks, but it is much less pronounced, the spot where is really stood out for me was during the cymbal crashes on The Killers - All these things that I've done. Well, that's pretty damn annoying... I'm gonna email Arrow Video UK, but, not to e defeatist - I don't think it will do much good

02-16-2021, 04:58 PM	#400
Spiderwalk Blu-ray Samurai Top contributor Member since:Jan 2013 Location:UK 4K collection:139 Blu-ray collection:2120 DVD collection:116 Trading Score:1	I ripped the Theatrical Cut to my HD using MakeMKV. After that I extracted the DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1 track and converted it to a Stereo PCM Wav file. Here's a clip of The Killers segment: https://www.mediafire.com/file/h7goz...illers.7z/file Both the 5.1 and the Stereo track sound absolutely fine to me (I listened to them with some good quality Sennheiser headphones). I also watched the Cannes Cut last week and I didn't notice any problems with that either. Someone mentioned that Moby's 'Memory Gospel' sounded very quiet on the Cannes Cut, but it sounded plenty loud to me! Last edited by Spiderwalk; 02-16-2021 at 05:05 PM.

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02-09-2021, 06:22 PM	#382
waxlion Active Member Member since:Nov 2011 Blu-ray collection:69	Here are my time stamps for the Killers song and the Sarah Michelle Gellar song that I sent to Arrow: While it is throughout the entire musical scene, it becomes extremely noticeable in chapter 7 around time stamp 1:18:48. It kind of sounds like the music was played through a fan. It has this buzzing effect that is extremely distracting. I could attempt to take a video with my phone but I’m not sure that would really capture what I’m talking about. I noticed it during the Sarah Michelle Gellar song in chapter 6 at 1:04:32. I’ve checked a few other scenes with music, and a lot of that has a buzzy quality to it as well. I checked the Cannes cut again around the same point for the Killers song (in this version, it’s at chapter 7 at 1:26:28) and I noticed this effect was present here as well, but much less pronounced. (Same with the Sarah Michelle Gellar song at 01:01:47 on this cut)

02-10-2021, 11:53 AM	#384
MDK Active Member Member since:May 2011 Location:Germany, Saxony Blu-ray collection:3	I checked the Killers scene on both cuts and didn't notice any issues...sorry. To be fair, i got the UK Disc, maybe this problem is only on the US disc or maybe i just don't hear it.

02-10-2021, 01:56 PM	#385
DukeTogo84 Blu-ray Prince Top contributor Member since:Aug 2012 Location:California 4K collection:80 Blu-ray collection:3996 Trading Score:117	Well, I was able to finish the film last night. (Cannes Cut). This is a movie I really WANTED to like. With such an amazing cast and talent involved, it just in a way feels like waste. At the end the day the differences between the Cannes Cut and the theatrical cut are marginal at best at least for me. I do think there are a lot of great shots in the film, but it wastes so much time on exposition and making sure we really can't relate to any of the characters. Nobody feels real, and that might be the point, but it didn't work for me. At the end of the day, if you love the film, buy this release. It's amazing. Just don't go into it expecting the Cannes cut to be something that will change your opinion. I do wish Richard Kelly was directing films still, and I'm surprised he hasn't done anything since 2009.

02-10-2021, 02:15 PM	#387
Dailyan Blu-ray Baron Top contributor Member since:Feb 2015 Location:Beyond the Blue Horizon 4K collection:136 Blu-ray collection:2065 DVD collection:157 Blu-ray reviews: 56 Trading Score:43	Who did the authoring for the disc? If it's Fidelity-in-Motion they've tended to master their audio tracks on the loud side.

02-12-2021, 06:43 PM	#388
waxlion Active Member Member since:Nov 2011 Blu-ray collection:69	Anyone else hear back from arrow? They basically told me that everything on the release was intentional by Richard Kelly.

02-13-2021, 09:36 PM	#391
b_squared Active Member Top contributor Member since:Mar 2014 4K collection:- Blu-ray collection:- DVD collection:-	I picked up the old Sony release and checked and that definitely does not have any distortion at all. I also noticed the vocals for "Wave of Mutilation" by the Pixies that plays from around 0:50:50 - 0:51:50 on the Theatrical Disc and 0:54:50 - 0:55:50 on the Cannes Disc sound bad as well, like they're being filtered through a fan when compared to the old Sony release, which sounds good. I also noticed it at a few other points during some of the contemporary songs when I watched the Cannes disc and in the same spots when I checked the theatrical disc, but a bit more noticeable. I emailed Arrow with a detailed breakdown of what I noticed, but it sounds like they will just hand-wave this as "intended" despite sounding like a error with the mix. It seems odd that it would only be on the US disc and not the UK disc when the contents are identical.

02-14-2021, 05:57 AM	#392
jaffef Active Member Member since:May 2010 4K collection:3 Blu-ray collection:247	Had the exact same issue tonight with the audio. Sounded awful in comparison to the older U.S. disc in a number of places. Hoping we get some clarification on this soon!

02-15-2021, 04:38 PM	#393
b_squared Active Member Top contributor Member since:Mar 2014 4K collection:- Blu-ray collection:- DVD collection:-	I received a response from Arrow. They said "we've checked on the audio with production and the audio was supplied by Sony Pictures with no additional work done on it at our end and has all been approved by Richard Kelly." Pretty disappointing that they don't seem to want to deal with this or even look into it. I also noticed, distortion issues aside, that the new Arrow release sounds a bit more robust, especially with the bass, when compared to the old Sony release, so it certainly doesn't seem like they just plopped the audio from Sony onto the new disc.

02-15-2021, 05:25 PM	#395
Onlysleeping23 Active Member Member since:Nov 2011 4K collection:190 Blu-ray collection:1549 DVD collection:6	Odd. I’ve only watched the Cannes cut from the Arrow release, but I remember thinking the fidelity sounded good, and less dynamically compressed than the Sony release of the Theatrical cut. I had seemed to recall thinking the Killers scene in particular sounded bad on the Sony, being very loud and awash in reverb. This could be a difference from the Cannes and Theatrical mixes, but I do have my player set to output PCM and decode internally, could this be a bitstream issue?

02-16-2021, 06:24 AM	#397
MaestroJules Member Member since:Jun 2012 Location:Hamburg Blu-ray collection:-	Hmm, that doesn’t sound good... (Pun intended) Since you got so many versions are you able to extract audio samples for Arrow to review?

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