Best Blu-ray Movie Deals

Best Blu-ray Movie Deals, See All the Deals »
Top deals | New deals  
 All countries United States United Kingdom Canada Germany France Spain Italy Australia Japan
Dead of Night (Blu-ray)
$19.99
2 hrs ago
Vampires (Blu-ray)
$24.96
12 hrs ago
Dark Phoenix 4K (Blu-ray)
$29.99
 
Flesh Gordon (Blu-ray)
$22.99
 
Ghostbusters and Ghostbusters II 4K (Blu-ray)
$39.99
 
Godzilla: King of the Monsters 4K (Blu-ray)
$29.99
 
Hellboy 4K (Blu-ray)
$24.99
 
Fast & Furious 8-Movie Collection 4K (Blu-ray)
$70.00
13 hrs ago
Alita: Battle Angel 4K + 3D (Blu-ray)
$29.96
 
The Beast in Heat (Blu-ray)
$22.99
4 hrs ago
Rocketman 4K (Blu-ray)
$27.99
 
Long Shot (Blu-ray)
$19.99
 
What's your next favorite movie?
Join our movie community to find out


Image from: Life of Pi (2012)

Go Back   Blu-ray Forum > Displays > Display Theory and Discussion


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 01-23-2007, 03:48 AM   #1
HDTV1080P HDTV1080P is offline
Blu-ray Ninja
 
Jan 2007
95
Default 3-D consumer displays that display 3-D & 2-D signals at Cinema quality frame rates

USA 3-D consumer displays that display 3-D and 2-D signals at Cinema quality frame rates




The following are the requirements that need to be met for any USA model to be included on this list


Only displays that properly display 3-D material at native 24Hz for each eye or display 3-D material at a minimum of 144Hz (72Hz for each eye) are including on this list. Displays that offer 192Hz, 240Hz, or higher multiplies of 48Hz are also included on this list as long as they do not require the use of 60Hz 3:2 pulldown, frame interpolation, or black frame insertion. If the display offers frame interpolation, black frame insertion, or 60Hz 3:2 pulldown, then for that display to be included on the list those features must be able to be turned off when watching both 3-D 48Hz and 2-D 24Hz Blu-ray material. 2-D 1080p/24 signals also need to be displayed at either the native frame rate of 24 Hz or multiplies of 24 (One of the following for 2-D sources: 24Hz, 48Hz, 72Hz, 96Hz, 120HZ, 144Hz, 168Hz, 192Hz, 216Hz, 240Hz, etc)


** The display must also offer a minimum of 1080P quality to both eyes in 3-D mode and 2-D mode. Warning: 144Hz Projectors when in the 144Hz 3-D mode are exempt from the 1080P for each eye requirement. The reason for this is that on some 2K 144Hz 3-D projectors that are used in the commercial movie theaters and also on all or almost all consumer 1080P 144Hz 3-D projectors there is a hardware bandwidth limitation which results in a small number of lines being dropped (normally somewhere between 24-76 lines are dropped depending on the brand and model number of the 144Hz projector). **


** Accuracy Warning**

It is recommended one does their own research since specs can change and professional reviewers can make mistakes or receive pre-production models that have different specs from the official release version. At any time a display may be added or removed from the list to offer the most accurate information possible.



The following are all true 3-D displays with Cinema quality frame rates


4K 3-D Front Projectors (4096 x 2160)


Digital Projection Insight Laser 4K 3-Chip DLP (114-821) (144Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources, 24Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources)



1080P 3-D Front Projectors (1920 x 1080)




Digital Projection Lightning 45 1080p 3D (112-906) (144Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources, 24Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources)

Digital Projection Lightning 38 1080p 3D UC (112-912) (144Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources, 24Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources)

** There are literally around 9 different Lightning 3D models to choose from. The list only includes a small sample of what Digital Projection INC offers. Click this link to see all the Lightning models and options. **

Digital Projection Titan Quad Reference 1080p 3D UC (112-145) (144Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources, 24Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources)

Digital Projection Titan LED 1080p 3D (114-461) (144Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources, 24Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources)

Digital Projection Titan 930 1080p 3D (113-568) (144Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources, 24Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources)

Digital Projection Titan 800 1080p 3D (112-487) (144Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources, 24Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources)

Digital Projection Titan 660 1080p UC 3D (112-579) (144Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources, 24Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources)

Digital Projection Titan 330 1080p L 3D (112-574) (144Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources, 24Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources)

** There are literally around 43 different Titan models to choose from (Some 3-D and some only 2-D). The list only includes a small sample of what Digital Projection INC offers. Click this link to see all the Titan models and options. **

Digital Projection Mercury 930 WUXGA 3D (114-339) (144Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources, 24Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources) (1920 x 1200P model)

Digital Projection Mercury 930 1080p 3D (114-338) (144Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources, 24Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources)

Digital Projection HIGHlite Laser WUXGA 3D (114-199) (144Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources, 48Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources) (1920 x 1200P model)

Digital Projection HIGHlite 730 WUXGA 3D (114-693) (144Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources, 24Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources) (1920 x 1200P model)

Digital Projection HIGHlite 730 1080p 3D (114-691) (144Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources, 24Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources)

Digital Projection HIGHlite 660 WUXGA 3D (113-137) (144Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources, 24Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources) (1920 x 1200P model)

Digital Projection HIGHlite 660 1080p 3D (113-136) (144Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources, 24Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources)

Digital Projection HIGHlite Cine 330 3D HB 1080p (113-411) (144Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources, 48Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources)

Digital Projection HIGHlite Cine 330 3D HC 1080p (113-123) (144Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources, 48Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources)

Digital Projection M-Vision Cine 400 3D 1080p (112-818) (144Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources, 48Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources)

Digital Projection M-Vision Cine 320 3D 1080p (114-501) (144Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources, 48Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources)

Optoma DH1011 1080P 3-D (144Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources,48Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources)

Optoma EH200ST 1080P 3-D (144Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources,48Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources)

Optoma EH415 1080P 3-D (144Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources,48Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources)

Optoma EH501 1080P 3-D (144Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources,48Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources)

Optoma EH503 1080P 3-D (144Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources,48Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources)

Optoma EH505 WUXGA 3-D (144Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources,48Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources)(1920 x 1200P model)

Optoma GT1080 1080P 3-D (144Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources,48Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources)

Optoma HD25e 1080P 3-D (144Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources,48Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources)

Optoma HD25-LV 1080P 3-D (144Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources,48Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources)

Optoma HD26 1080P 3-D (144Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources,48Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources)

Optoma HD91 1080P 3-D (144Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources,48Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources)

Optoma HD131Xe 1080P 3-D (144Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources,48Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources)

Optoma HD131Xw 1080P 3-D (144Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources,48Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources)

Runco D-113d 1080p-3D (48Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources, 24Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources)

Runco D-73d Ultra 1080p-3D (48Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources, 24Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources)

Runco D-73d 1080p-3D (48Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources, 24Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources)

Runco XtremeProjection X-200i 1080p-3D (144Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources, 48Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources)

SIM2 Immersive System (SIS) 1080p (144Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources, 48Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources)

SIM2 SUPERLUMIS PRO 1080p (144Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources, 48Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources)

SIM2 SUPERLUMIS DUO 1080p (144Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources, 48Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources)

SIM2 SUPERLUMIS 1080p (144Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources, 48Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources)

SIM2 NEO 3 1080p (144Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources, 48Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources)

SIM2 NEO 20th 1080p (144Hz for 3-D 48Hz sources, 48Hz for 2-D 24Hz sources)



** There are no 3-D flat panels or 3-D rear projectors on the market yet that offer Cinema quality frame rates in the 3-D mode **

Last edited by HDTV1080P; 09-20-2014 at 03:58 AM. Reason: UPDATED WITH LATEST INFO
  Reply With Quote
Old 01-23-2007, 03:48 AM   #3
HDTV1080P HDTV1080P is offline
Blu-ray Ninja
 
Jan 2007
95
Default

The list of 2-D displays that support 1080P/24 signals at multiplies of the original frame rate is no longer being updated and has been discontinued.

To view the old list of 2-D Front Projectors and 2-D Plasma displays that was on list 1 of 6 click the following link

https://forum.blu-ray.com/3903502-post922.html

To view the old list of 2-D LCD flat panel displays with LED backlighting that was on list 2 of 6 click the following link

https://forum.blu-ray.com/3903505-post923.html



The list of 2-D displays that support 1080P/24 signals at multiplies of the original frame rate is no longer being updated and has been discontinued.

To view the old list of 2-D LCD flat panel displays that was on list 3 of 6 click the following link

https://forum.blu-ray.com/3903508-post924.html

Last edited by HDTV1080P; 08-01-2013 at 03:47 PM. Reason: updated with latest info
  Reply With Quote
Old 01-23-2007, 03:48 AM   #4
HDTV1080P HDTV1080P is offline
Blu-ray Ninja
 
Jan 2007
95
Default

The list of 2-D displays that support 1080P/24 signals at multiplies of the original frame rate is no longer being updated and has been discontinued.

To view the old list of 2-D LCD flat panel displays that was on list 4 of 6 click the following link

https://forum.blu-ray.com/3903512-post925.html

Last edited by HDTV1080P; 08-01-2013 at 03:46 PM. Reason: updated with latest info
  Reply With Quote
Old 01-23-2007, 03:48 AM   #5
HDTV1080P HDTV1080P is offline
Blu-ray Ninja
 
Jan 2007
95
Default

The list of 2-D displays that support 1080P/24 signals at multiplies of the original frame rate is no longer being updated and has been discontinued.

To view the old list of 2-D displays that was on list 5 of 6 click the following link

https://forum.blu-ray.com/3903515-post926.html

Last edited by HDTV1080P; 04-24-2011 at 10:30 PM. Reason: updated with latest info
  Reply With Quote
Old 01-23-2007, 03:48 AM   #6
HDTV1080P HDTV1080P is offline
Blu-ray Ninja
 
Jan 2007
95
Default

The list of 2-D displays that support 1080P/24 signals at multiplies of the original frame rate is no longer being updated and has been discontinued.


To view the old list of 2-D LCD flat panel displays that was on list 6 of 6 click the following link


https://forum.blu-ray.com/3903517-post927.html

Last edited by HDTV1080P; 04-24-2011 at 10:30 PM. Reason: updated with latest info
  Reply With Quote
Old 01-23-2007, 03:48 AM   #7
HDTV1080P HDTV1080P is offline
Blu-ray Ninja
 
Jan 2007
95
Default reserved for future use

reserved for future use

Last edited by HDTV1080P; 04-24-2011 at 11:24 PM.
  Reply With Quote
Old 01-23-2007, 03:48 AM   #8
HDTV1080P HDTV1080P is offline
Blu-ray Ninja
 
Jan 2007
95
Default reserved for future use

reserved for future use

Last edited by HDTV1080P; 04-24-2011 at 11:25 PM.
  Reply With Quote
Old 01-23-2007, 05:24 AM   #9
dialog_gvf dialog_gvf is offline
Moderator
 
dialog_gvf's Avatar
 
Nov 2006
Toronto
320
Default

Isn't it possible for a 1080p/60 input to be converted back to 24p?

To me the issue is displaying a 24 fps cadence, not how the image was transported to the set.
  Reply With Quote
Old 01-23-2007, 07:08 AM   #10
HDTV1080P HDTV1080P is offline
Blu-ray Ninja
 
Jan 2007
95
Default

Yes its possible to convert 60 to 24 but doing so can introduce motion artifacts.
The ideal display should be able to accept a 1080P 24/30/60 fps signal from a source that is 1080P. BLU-RAY and HD-DVD movies on the disc are encoded at 1080P/24fps. The advantage of having a display and BLU-RAY player both supporting a 24fps signal from the original source is that one bypass the need of the display having to do a 3:2 pull down. BLU-RAY players and HD-DVD players can introduce motion artifacts with 3:2 pull down when 24 frames is converted to 30 frames. Doing so adds six additional frames. The problem is that jitter during motion can occur. It is possible to do a reverse 3:2 pull down and go from 30 frames to 24 frames which also can lead to motion artifacts.
There are several articles in magazines like Widescreen review and Perfect vision that goes into much more detail about converting frames and the 3:2 pull down process. In general when watching BLU-RAY movies its better to keeping the source and input for movies at 24FPS to avoid slight motion artifacts. More and more displays are converting 24FPS material to refresh rates of 72, 96, and 120 for maximum display quality. Flashing each frame 3, 4, or 5 times improves screen imagery that matches the quality of the original film.
  Reply With Quote
Old 01-23-2007, 09:50 AM   #11
dialog_gvf dialog_gvf is offline
Moderator
 
dialog_gvf's Avatar
 
Nov 2006
Toronto
320
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by HDTV1080P View Post
Yes its possible to convert 60 to 24 but doing so can introduce motion artifacts.
Really?

Full frames: AAABBCCCDD -> ABCD

I thought the issues would be in 60i -> 24p.

What sets out there do this 60p -> 24p?

Quote:
More and more displays are converting 24FPS material to refresh rates of 72, 96, and 120 for maximum display quality. Flashing each frame 3, 4, or 5 times improves screen imagery that matches the quality of the original film.
Some are doing that through creating intermediate frames!

Last edited by dialog_gvf; 01-23-2007 at 09:52 AM.
  Reply With Quote
Old 01-23-2007, 04:07 PM   #12
HDTV1080P HDTV1080P is offline
Blu-ray Ninja
 
Jan 2007
95
Default

I dont know of any sets currently on the market that convert 60P to 24P, but it would be possible to do if that feature was in demand. You would need to then up the 24HZ again to eliminate the flicker. Its better that the display accept the input of the source material then having to convert it. For example if someone is playing a Playstation 3 videogames that was encoded in 1080P/60fps then one would want the display to accept 60HZ signal and display 60HZ or 120HZ refresh rate. 1080P/60 takes a lot of bandwidth and currently no studio broadcast cameras support 1080P/60. Many of the studio cameras broadcasters use 1080P/24 standard. 35MM and 70MM film is also converted to 1080P/24. Broadcasters do not send the signal out at 24HZ since very few monitors support 24HZ. Also the problem with 24HZ is that people would go nuts seeing their monitor flicker every few seconds. Higher refresh rates are always better. Monitors that accept 24fps input have to convert the 24HZ signal from BLU-RAY or HD-DVD players to 48HZ, 72HZ, 96HZ or 120HZ in order to eliminate the flicker of 24HZ video. The higher the refresh rate the less motion artifacts one will see.
  Reply With Quote
Old 01-23-2007, 04:23 PM   #13
Knight-Errant Knight-Errant is offline
Power Member
 
Knight-Errant's Avatar
 
Aug 2005
Sheffield, UK
Default

I'm interested in that new front projector of Panasonic's. PT-AE1000U
  Reply With Quote
Old 01-23-2007, 04:41 PM   #14
HDTV1080P HDTV1080P is offline
Blu-ray Ninja
 
Jan 2007
95
Default

** UPDATE**
Found new specs that show the Panasonic supports 1080P/24. This information was not available before.
The Panasonic appears to be a good 1080P projector. I have not read reviews on it just the specs. 11,000:1 contrast ratio is good for the Panasonic. Sony and JVC have a 15:000:1 contrast ratio. The Panasonic does not accept 24HZ input. That feature is only useful if you plan on getting a BLU-RAY or HD-DVD player that supports 24fps. Looks like the Panasonic can be purchased for around $3,000 on line which is $700 cheaper then the Sony. I would recommended the Sony front projector if you own a Pioneer or Sony BLU-RAY player that supports 24fps.

http://www.calibex.com/PTAE1000U/zzc...0--search-html


The cool thing about BLU-RAY and HD-DVD is that since many movies and TV programs are filmed in HDTV are using 1080p/24 production format that for the first time consumers can watch the material without the material needing to be converted by the player. When these programs are transmitted for broadcast they need to be converted and 6 frames added before broadcasting interlaced at 1080I/30.

Last edited by HDTV1080P; 02-15-2007 at 10:24 AM. Reason: UPDATED INFO ADDED
  Reply With Quote
Old 01-23-2007, 05:00 PM   #15
dobyblue dobyblue is offline
Super Moderator
 
dobyblue's Avatar
 
Jul 2006
Ontario, Canada
46
42
677
13
Default

1080p/24 = Judder-free.
  Reply With Quote
Old 01-23-2007, 06:21 PM   #16
Knight-Errant Knight-Errant is offline
Power Member
 
Knight-Errant's Avatar
 
Aug 2005
Sheffield, UK
Default

Wow thanks guys. That makes sense. I read a review at Projector Central that said the Sony Pearl had a soft image when working from Blu-ray and HD DVD sources.

If that's not the case, I'll probably go for a Sony

PS. I have a Sony BD player so it makes sense to get the most out of it!

Last edited by Knight-Errant; 01-23-2007 at 08:37 PM.
  Reply With Quote
Old 01-23-2007, 07:44 PM   #17
Deciazulado Deciazulado is offline
Site Manager
 
Deciazulado's Avatar
 
Aug 2006
USiberia
6
454
3159
2836
Default

Do you know if any of these displays also handle 25p/50i?
  Reply With Quote
Old 01-23-2007, 11:31 PM   #18
dialog_gvf dialog_gvf is offline
Moderator
 
dialog_gvf's Avatar
 
Nov 2006
Toronto
320
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by HDTV1080P View Post
2. Sony 70 LCD 1080P KDL-70XBR (scheduled release around Feb
I wonder if Sony will be releasing smaller sizes of this design?

$33K is a tad out of my price range.

Gary
  Reply With Quote
Old 01-25-2007, 04:53 AM   #19
HDTV1080P HDTV1080P is offline
Blu-ray Ninja
 
Jan 2007
95
Default

I would not be surprised that in a year or two years Sony will have this 70 inch LCD for around $15,000. Over time prices will come down. Some of the 100 to 108 LCD screens sale around $100,000. As demand increases for larger screens prices will fall.
  Reply With Quote
Old 01-29-2007, 10:21 AM   #20
HDJK HDJK is offline
Blu-ray Guru
 
HDJK's Avatar
 
Oct 2006
Switzerland
2
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Deciazulado View Post
Do you know if any of these displays also handle 25p/50i?
As someone who still would like to watch PAL-DVDs I would be interested in this info as well.
  Reply With Quote
Reply
Go Back   Blu-ray Forum > Displays > Display Theory and Discussion

Similar Threads
thread Forum Thread Starter Replies Last Post
1080p: high-res make movies look cheap & fake? (Actually frame rate TV interpolation) Display Theory and Discussion jsub 88 12-13-2008 05:24 AM
Frame rate fix PS3 Got2LoveGadgets 1 12-05-2007 07:10 PM
PS3 Frame rate PS3 Got2LoveGadgets 8 12-04-2007 04:22 PM
HELP!! Those with PS3 come here... frame rate issue Blu-ray Players and Recorders mikey3319 31 08-04-2007 08:35 PM
Frame rate clarification Blu-ray Technology and Future Technology Nooblet 5 07-25-2007 08:07 PM


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 07:08 PM.