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Old 03-16-2022, 05:37 PM   #1261
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Would you happen to have timestamps for some of these scenes? I'm always trying to find confirmed pop out to test my setup.
Im afraid not, I’m just basing it on memory and what stood out.

However, I have watched said films on 3 different sources. Projected, OLED (65 inches) and a PSVR headset. I’m confident the pop outs are best in class.
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Old 03-16-2022, 06:20 PM   #1262
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Would you happen to have timestamps for some of these scenes? I'm always trying to find confirmed pop out to test my setup.
Did you check the pop-out timestamps thread? It would seem like that would be a good place to start: https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=306237
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Old 03-16-2022, 08:37 PM   #1263
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For fun pop outs, plenty of those 3-D Film Archive films, including Shogun Women and Dynasty.

Silent Hill Revelation doesn't have a ton of pop outs, but when it does pop out, it's strong 3D and looks awesome.

Another favorite for fast pop outs would be Hansel & Gretel Witch Hunters 3D. Plenty of fast pop outs with strong 3D. But they're fast, so not as amazing to stare at as something from Dynasty 3D for example.
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Old 03-16-2022, 11:13 PM   #1264
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Did you check the pop-out timestamps thread? It would seem like that would be a good place to start: https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=306237
I hadn't been over there in a while, but that's a thread that has caused me a bit of grief as it lists popouts that I can't find, such as TASM2

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...2&postcount=34
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Old 03-16-2022, 11:38 PM   #1265
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I hadn't been over there in a while, but that's a thread that has caused me a bit of grief as it lists popouts that I can't find, such as TASM2

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...2&postcount=34
Well, of the five films that Steedeel listed, you definitely won't have any trouble finding the pop-outs!
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Old 03-17-2022, 12:35 AM   #1266
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Well, of the five films that Steedeel listed, you definitely won't have any trouble finding the pop-outs!
In one thread a while back, a poster here was employing a formula to find how many feet from the screen a popout would appear to the viewer. Is there a thread here that provides that info for more movies?

Mathematical proof that there is popout would help me run down whatever issues I may be having. Or any other proof, something to give me a known to work from ratger than going on a Dredd3D-style snipe hunt. I had fun with TASM2 the first time that I saw it, but all this rewatching scenes from it is running the risk of causing me to get a sort of Stockholm Syndrome.
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Old 03-17-2022, 01:40 AM   #1267
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In one thread a while back, a poster here was employing a formula to find how many feet from the screen a popout would appear to the viewer. Is there a thread here that provides that info for more movies?

Mathematical proof that there is popout would help me run down whatever issues I may be having. Or any other proof, something to give me a known to work from ratger than going on a Dredd3D-style snipe hunt. I had fun with TASM2 the first time that I saw it, but all this rewatching scenes from it is running the risk of causing me to get a sort of Stockholm Syndrome.
Mike Ballew is our resident mathematician as far as pop-outs go, there's some numbers in various threads e.g. https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=278703 but I go by my eyes, and they much prefer native pop-outs to converted ones. Settings also matter, but I always say that if you have to mess with settings to get 3D to look good, it's too weak in the first place.
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Old 03-20-2022, 11:30 PM   #1268
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I hadn't been over there in a while, but that's a thread that has caused me a bit of grief as it lists popouts that I can't find, such as TASM2

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...2&postcount=34
If I recall correctly, I was using my Epson projector which yields me the largest screen for anything that isn't 1.78:1. TASM at 2.39:1 yields a screen over 12 ft wide at my house. I find the bigger the better when it comes to pop-outs. Note that I counted 52 pop-outs total, 26 (half) of which were listed as mild. On a smaller set, mild might not be so noticeable. Also as I pointed out in the post, a lot of the pop-outs come in the heat of the action and happen fast. I believe I've invited anyone to question specific pop-outs or even point out ones I've missed (which has happened.) As I said in the opening post of that thread, I consider anything that reaches the halfway point between me and the screen a strong pop-out. TASM 2 only had one strong pop-out! I gave up trying actual measurements because, for example, on my Epson I'm about 15 feet from the screen, my BenQ I am 12 feet away, and my LGTV about 8 feet. The relative distances remain pretty close so an actual measurement is pretty much useless.

Let me know in that thread and I'll review it on another set-up. (probably not instantly )

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Revised list, my top 5

The Bubble

Several fantastic pop outs including the famous beer glass and a ladder that leaves the screen and lands several inches from my eyes.


It Came From Outer Space

Several impressive pop outs including falling boulders.
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Would you happen to have timestamps for some of these scenes? I'm always trying to find confirmed pop out to test my setup.
Pop-out timestamps for The Bubble

Pop-out timestamps for It Came from Outer Space
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Old 03-21-2022, 12:40 AM   #1270
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Just to add to that last message, if you have trouble finding pop-outs in any of the movies in my Pop-out Kings section (link in my sig), you need a new set-up because yours sucks.
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Old 03-21-2022, 12:57 AM   #1271
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Just to add to that last message, if you have trouble finding pop-outs in any of the movies in my Pop-out Kings section (link in my sig), you need a new set-up because yours sucks.
My setup pops out the pitchfork shaft in Comin At Ya just fine though. Maybe my setup is weak, maybe my watch group and I need to get a Groupon for the optometrist, but maybe much Bronze Age 3D is just too darn weak on "our side" of the screen?

In TASM2, I can't rule out that maybe a piece of debris here or there might break the screen, maybe. Everything else was doing the "looking through a window", Depth-only JCameron policy. Unlike TMNT1 where it seemed like there could have been popout.

Edit: I've only seen one film in home viewing from your list, C@Y. I'm a little worried about watching Terminator 2 as I know there's no way it will live up to the 3D standard set by the T2 experience that used to be at the Universal theme parks.

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Old 03-21-2022, 01:01 AM   #1272
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Just to add to that last message, if you have trouble finding pop-outs in any of the movies in my Pop-out Kings section (link in my sig), you need a new set-up because yours sucks.
I had a look at a couple of movies on your list and I recognise the scenes but I don't remember the strong pop outs being as you describe. I had a look at the movies rated by 3D strength thread and agree with some of those, disagree with others. It will be interesting to compare now that I have made some changes which did improve my perception of 3D strength for BR2049 and Shang-chi.

I've watched 3D on a TV and now on very large screens in VR. I would like to try out a projector one day.

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I had a look at a couple of movies on your list and I recognise the scenes but I don't remember the strong pop outs being as you describe. But I will have another look because I've made a few changes which improved weak 3D in other movies
The popout in c@y is so strong that I can project it, as a test, onto a multicolored, uneven wall, atop molding and other decoration, and still see that pitchfork handle popping out right close to my face.

Although c@y is like the best and worst test of popout because some of it doesn't resolve. But when it does, it's putting on a clinic for all the Bronze Agers

Is there some way to coax that level of popout from TASM2, particularly that last shot in the film?

I see on a linked list that NWH is rated with medium 3D and some popout. From what I saw, it's 3D was running mild, popout included: no one in the theater tried to catch that cure
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Although c@y is like the best and worst test of popout because some of it doesn't resolve. But when it does, it's putting on a clinic for all the Bronze Agers
I agree with the above sentence. The pop-outs were just a little too much for me. This was the movie that cured me of pop-out(itis) lol.
In the end, I'm glad that I have had these conversations because it pushed me to improve my sub-par 3D viewing experience. I didn't know it was deficient at the time because I didn't have many issues with MCU 3D movies. But at the same time I do agree that the 3D in movies that require time eeking out the last ounce of 3D performance is a little too weak for my liking.

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In one thread a while back, a poster here was employing a formula to find how many feet from the screen a popout would appear to the viewer. Is there a thread here that provides that info for more movies?

Mathematical proof that there is popout would help me run down whatever issues I may be having. Or any other proof, something to give me a known to work from ratger than going on a Dredd3D-style snipe hunt. I had fun with TASM2 the first time that I saw it, but all this rewatching scenes from it is running the risk of causing me to get a sort of Stockholm Syndrome.
The left and right image should be opposite of anything behind the screen for pop-outs. The "zero plane" or screen plane should be no difference in left/right images. So you should be able to tell what is supposed to be pop-out by alternating closing your left and right eyes while wearing glasses.

This has probably been said before in this conversation, but just in case figured I'd throw it in there.
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Old 03-21-2022, 02:10 AM   #1276
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I'll have to try toggling the eyes. I notice that one of my 3D displays can be set to show either the left or right eye in its 3D->2D mode, though I don't know if that will work on the blurays that go 2D when they're paused.

I'll also try seeing 3D in 720p, since that is supposed to increase popout by 30%.

BTW, in looking over these lists I'm not seeing Mortal Engines listed. In it, there's a shot when a large knife is dropped out of an airplane and the camera tracks it as it spins during its descent. Does anyone recall how much, and if so, to what strength level, it pops out?
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Is there some way to coax that level of popout from TASM2, particularly that last shot in the film?
No. If you could, you would then also be able to have pop-outs in Comin' at You shoot past your head. There are as many shots in Comin' at You, stronger than the strongest one in ASM2 as there are total pop-outs in ASM2.

The only reason Comin' At You is as low as it is on my list is because many of the images didn't resolve. I haven't viewed it since I got my DLP projector which might put that issue to rest. I haven't seen an unresolved image on it yet, that I can readily recall.
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I haven't gone through all 64 pages so these have likely all been mentioned, but my top pick for pop-outs is definitely "Thunder and the House of Magic". Even the scenes that aren't necessarily supposed to be pop-out come out of the screen. Its a mediocre kids film that I wouldn't even quite put in the family movie category, but its nWave and they've been pretty consistent with strong 3D in all their movies.

In Second place I'd put "Madagascar 3". This is actually my top recommended 3D movie. It has strong 3D depth all the way through with plenty of jaw dropping pop-out moments. Its 16:9 all the way through with HDR looking vibrant colors. The humor might not click with some of the more mature audience, but the fun action and animation should keep you entertained anyway. The circus scene is one of my favorite 3D moments of all time.

Jurassic Park (1993) doesn't have any pop-out gags that I can recall, but the conversion was done in a way that almost every scene and camera angle has something protruding out of the screen. Its my second top 3D movie recommendation after Madagascar 3.
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