Why don't they do more re-prints?

[mrpants]

Can someone explain why this doesn't happen, I honestly don't know why.

In the UK... Thor, Captain America, Star Trek plus tons more
In other countries... Batman Begins/TDK (asia), Iron Man (Can), Zombieland (Ger) plus tons more


Some very basic research would show these are high demand items that go for silly prices on ebay. How much profit do retailers make on each steelbook and why aren't they doing re-prints?

Retailers, stop letting traders scalp on your products and print more of them off ffs

And stop play.com doing crap designs from their crap factory.

[Blu Lemmy]

If you want it, buy it on the first run

[mrpants]

Originally Posted by Blu Lemmy

If you want it, buy it on the first run

First scalper to comment. More will come I'm sure.

[DJJez]

Originally Posted by mrpants

First scalper to comment. More will come I'm sure.

loool

[DJJez]

if everybody re-released every steelbook then it wouldnt be much fun to collect em as they would be easily avaible to buy. on the other hand you could have every one you wanted

[Buddy Ackerman]

Originally Posted by mrpants

First scalper to comment. More will come I'm sure.

I'm certain that Blu Lemmy is not a scalper. He's one of the good posters on here.

His advice may be frank but, for better or worse, it's the truth.

[Blu Lemmy]

Originally Posted by mrpants

First scalper to comment. More will come I'm sure.

Do you know me? Nope, do you know what I buy? Nope, Have I ever sold a single one of my blus? Nope, do I buy more than one copy of a film? You guessed it.....nope

Keep your incorrect comments to yourself.

[mrpants]

Originally Posted by Buddy Ackerman

I'm certain that Blu Lemmy is not a scalper. He's one of the good posters on here.

His advice may be frank but, for better or worse, it's the truth.

Except it's not the truth, as IM 1/2 and Terminator proved, they can go OOP before even being released.

So mainly only scalpers won on the IM 1/2.

[Blu Lemmy]

Originally Posted by Buddy Ackerman

I'm certain that Blu Lemmy is not a scalper. He's one of the good posters on here.

His advice may be frank but, for better or worse, it's the truth.

I appreciate the kind words Buddy...

Edit: Maybe I could have put it in less harsh terms, but even if a product goes out of stock before release, you still have that option to pre-order it, everyone is in the same boat

[danman227460]

From what was said on HDN and from people in the industry, there is actually contracts and such for art on SB. So a studio is allowed to say make a SB for FS for a certain art but they would have a clause in effect where that art is never reused. That is why the art for Play.com Iron Man was different than FS. They couldn't reuse the art in the same format. It looks pretty identical but isn't the same.

So they will do reprints on certain SB only if they get the OK from studios. The studios hold all the power in the game and the retailers can only say yes or no to what the studios want. But like I said above, they will end up being slightly different.

If you want to own any of the movies on SB, either pay for the originals or settle for the re releases.

[brap88]

Originally Posted by mrpants

First scalper to comment. More will come I'm sure.

Just because he said that your going to call him a scalper? That's the dumbest thing I have ever heard. And he's exactly right. Why wouldn't you just buy them when they first come out? Look at the titles you listed!! Why would you list those Steels? Because they are some of the most wanted Steelbooks out there. And why cause there OOP. If they did just keep making more and more we wouldn't have things like rare! Collecting Steelbooks is like any thing else, Comics, Baseball cards, Ect. Some people just amaze me!!

[Buddy Ackerman]

Poor distributors - they can't win. If they printed more, they'd get lynched by people on here (look what happens when they increase print runs before release) because some people value their 'worth' by how limited it is, how rare it is or how much it is/will be theoretically worth on the secondary market. If they don't they get moaned at by people on here who can't get hold of them on the first run or who realise too late that a steelbook they want has been released and sold out ages ago, be it months or years.

Personally, I can see it both ways - I can understand how frustrating it might be to find out a film you love had a steelbook that was released without you knowing and you missed out. Mind you I feel that some of these steelbooks are only wanted because other people want them - they're seen as the ones to have to make you a serius collector. If you want them just to follow the herd or prove your steelbook collecting worth then stuff it.

I have no real problem with reprints. Not logically. For example, I have the Play.com Star Trek steelbook and it's awesome. I love it. If they announced tomorrow that they were printing some more would I be annoyed? At first, yes. I admit, I like the feeling that I was lucky enough to get something that's in demand. But I also realise how selfish a feeling that is. Why should it make any difference to me if someone else who loves the film gets to have a steelbook of it? It shouldn't and it wouldn't. As long as I'm happy with what I've got then what everyone else has is of no concern to me.

But I also see the other side of it - if a retailer has promised something is limited and then removes that limited aspect after it sold out then that is cheating as there will have been people who would have bought it simply for the 'limited' aspect.

The simple solution? Steelbooks of films with new artwork. Like how the Iron man steelbook over here didn't 'replace' the design of the FS one. It's the solution that will come closest to keeping everyone happy. Those with the limited one still have a limited one, those who like the film can get a steelbook of it as well. So if when Star Trek 2 comes out next year they release a new steelbook of the first film but with different artwork then that's great for everyone.

[Buddy Ackerman]

Originally Posted by mrpants

Except it's not the truth, as IM 1/2 and Terminator proved, they can go OOP before even being released.

So mainly only scalpers won on the IM 1/2.

But there's still a purchasing period you can buy in. Of course it wasn't just scalpers for those steelbooks. Look how many people on here have them. I have the Iron men ones and have The Terminator on pre-order. One of each. I'm not a scalper and I had no problem getting my order in.

We could argue about whether they should be limits, etc too help avoid scalpers getting them for the thousandth time on these boards but that's not what you asked.

[wjasoncul]

Originally Posted by Buddy Ackerman

[Show spoiler]Poor distributors - they can't win. If they printed more, they'd get lynched by people on here (look what happens when they increase print runs before release) because some people value their 'worth' by how limited it is, how rare it is or how much it is/will be theoretically worth on the secondary market. If they don't they get moaned at by people on here who can't get hold of them on the first run or who realise too late that a steelbook they want has been released and sold out ages ago, be it months or years.

Personally, I can see it both ways - I can understand how frustrating it might be to find out a film you love had a steelbook that was released without you knowing and you missed out. Mind you I feel that some of these steelbooks are only wanted because other people want them - they're seen as the ones to have to make you a serius collector. If you want them just to follow the herd or prove your steelbook collecting worth then stuff it.

I have no real problem with reprints. Not logically. For example, I have the Play.com Star Trek steelbook and it's awesome. I love it. If they announced tomorrow that they were printing some more would I be annoyed? At first, yes. I admit, I like the feeling that I was lucky enough to get something that's in demand. But I also realise how selfish a feeling that is. Why should it make any difference to me if someone else who loves the film gets to have a steelbook of it? It shouldn't and it wouldn't. As long as I'm happy with what I've got then what everyone else has is of no concern to me.

But I also see the other side of it - if a retailer has promised something is limited and then removes that limited aspect after it sold out then that is cheating as there will have been people who would have bought it simply for the 'limited' aspect.

The simple solution? Steelbooks of films with new artwork. Like how the Iron man steelbook over here didn't 'replace' the design of the FS one. It's the solution that will come closest to keeping everyone happy. Those with the limited one still have a limited one, those who like the film can get a steelbook of it as well. So if when Star Trek 2 comes out next year they release a new steelbook of the first film but with different artwork then that's great for everyone.

Agreed! I very much like the idea of a different release so the first set is rare and then more people (new comers to steelbook collecting) can buy the second release.

[legendarymatt92]

I can understand what you're saying, but you wouldn't be in the same frame of mind if you owned the steelbooks you talk about - you'd be happy that you managed to get them before they ran out, and you'd think that other people were just unlucky not to get it.

I have none of the steelbooks you listed up there, but I know for a fact that Thor and Captain America didn't go OOP/OOS overnight - you could walk into any large HMV store for months after the release date and purchase either one of those for a decent price. They only became "rare" when they had eventually sold out and then people realised the price was going up because eBay was the only place to buy them - more people started bidding and paying more, and everyone else who wanted a copy of it followed suit, just because they wanted to get it now they couldn't find it easily.

If they re-printed steels that had sold out or were quite rare, it would diminish people's collections - they've worked hard or were lucky enough to get steels that sold out, and then it becomes their pride, which is fair enough. They do re-release certain steels, as shown with the recent Iron Man and Zombieland Play exclusives, so that's about as good as it will get.

[DJJez]

Originally Posted by legendarymatt92

I can understand what you're saying, but you wouldn't be in the same frame of mind if you owned the steelbooks you talk about - you'd be happy that you managed to get them before they ran out, and you'd think that other people were just unlucky not to get it.

I have none of the steelbooks you listed up there, but I know for a fact that Thor and Captain America didn't go OOP/OOS overnight - you could walk into any large HMV store for months after the release date and purchase either one of those for a decent price. They only became "rare" when they had eventually sold out and then people realised the price was going up because eBay was the only place to buy them - more people started bidding and paying more, and everyone else who wanted a copy of it followed suit, just because they wanted to get it now they couldn't find it easily.

If they re-printed steels that had sold out or were quite rare, it would diminish people's collections - they've worked hard or were lucky enough to get steels that sold out, and then it becomes their pride, which is fair enough. They do re-release certain steels, as shown with the recent Iron Man and Zombieland Play exclusives, so that's about as good as it will get.

spot on

[snooloui]

Originally Posted by mrpants

Can someone explain why this doesn't happen, I honestly don't know why.

In the UK... Thor, Captain America, Star Trek plus tons more
In other countries... Batman Begins/TDK (asia), Iron Man (Can), Zombieland (Ger) plus tons more


Some very basic research would show these are high demand items that go for silly prices on ebay. How much profit do retailers make on each steelbook and why aren't they doing re-prints?

Retailers, stop letting traders scalp on your products and print more of them off ffs

And stop play.com doing crap designs from their crap factory.

The award for most obviously troll post goes to...

Everything you said is the exact opposite of what nearly every Steelbook collector wants. You may have got away with it if you had just suggested more re-prints, but then insulting Play.com even though they have produced some of the best looking Steelbooks released in the UK so far; well that just made it obvious.

[richieb1971]

All this depends on if you have the money to get the first release.

If Steelbooks are that important to you get a credit card and pay it off when you can afford it.

I wish I bought more ironmans, there seems to be alot of suckers out there wanting to buy it for £50+.

[mrpants]

Originally Posted by Buddy Ackerman

Poor distributors - they can't win. If they printed more, they'd get lynched by people on here (look what happens when they increase print runs before release) because some people value their 'worth' by how limited it is, how rare it is or how much it is/will be theoretically worth on the secondary market. If they don't they get moaned at by people on here who can't get hold of them on the first run or who realise too late that a steelbook they want has been released and sold out ages ago, be it months or years.

Personally, I can see it both ways - I can understand how frustrating it might be to find out a film you love had a steelbook that was released without you knowing and you missed out. Mind you I feel that some of these steelbooks are only wanted because other people want them - they're seen as the ones to have to make you a serius collector. If you want them just to follow the herd or prove your steelbook collecting worth then stuff it.

I have no real problem with reprints. Not logically. For example, I have the Play.com Star Trek steelbook and it's awesome. I love it. If they announced tomorrow that they were printing some more would I be annoyed? At first, yes. I admit, I like the feeling that I was lucky enough to get something that's in demand. But I also realise how selfish a feeling that is. Why should it make any difference to me if someone else who loves the film gets to have a steelbook of it? It shouldn't and it wouldn't. As long as I'm happy with what I've got then what everyone else has is of no concern to me.

But I also see the other side of it - if a retailer has promised something is limited and then removes that limited aspect after it sold out then that is cheating as there will have been people who would have bought it simply for the 'limited' aspect.

The simple solution? Steelbooks of films with new artwork. Like how the Iron man steelbook over here didn't 'replace' the design of the FS one. It's the solution that will come closest to keeping everyone happy. Those with the limited one still have a limited one, those who like the film can get a steelbook of it as well. So if when Star Trek 2 comes out next year they release a new steelbook of the first film but with different artwork then that's great for everyone.

Interesting thoughts, cheers, but they are from a buyers persepective, I am after reasons why a retailer wouldn't want to re-print.

Someone (sorry, forgot to multi-quote) posted about contracts to certain SB art, well that's fine, but surely that contract wouldn't prohibit a re-run for themselves, which is what I am asking, why don't they? Unless the makers of the SB or the studios like to restrict them to keep them collectable. Seems silly but a re-print every three years, especially timed around a new film release or anniversary promotion wouldn't greatly dent (heh) the collectibility of them, apart from scalpers.

Originally Posted by Buddy Ackerman

But there's still a purchasing period you can buy in. Of course it wasn't just scalpers for those steelbooks. Look how many people on here have them. I have the Iron men ones and have The Terminator on pre-order. One of each. I'm not a scalper and I had no problem getting my order in.

We could argue about whether they should be limits, etc too help avoid scalpers getting them for the thousandth time on these boards but that's not what you asked.

So if you happened to be on holiday or get a damaged steelbook, or are just a normal person and not glued to the internet 24/7, you miss out?

You really can't see how unfair that is?

Controlled, limited re-prints of high demand SBs would help everybody, except the scalpers who have no business being helped because they are not humans with souls.

Originally Posted by legendarymatt92

I can understand what you're saying, but you wouldn't be in the same frame of mind if you owned the steelbooks you talk about - you'd be happy that you managed to get them before they ran out, and you'd think that other people were just unlucky not to get it.

I have none of the steelbooks you listed up there, but I know for a fact that Thor and Captain America didn't go OOP/OOS overnight - you could walk into any large HMV store for months after the release date and purchase either one of those for a decent price. They only became "rare" when they had eventually sold out and then people realised the price was going up because eBay was the only place to buy them - more people started bidding and paying more, and everyone else who wanted a copy of it followed suit, just because they wanted to get it now they couldn't find it easily.

If they re-printed steels that had sold out or were quite rare, it would diminish people's collections - they've worked hard or were lucky enough to get steels that sold out, and then it becomes their pride, which is fair enough. They do re-release certain steels, as shown with the recent Iron Man and Zombieland Play exclusives, so that's about as good as it will get.

I actually own quite a few OOP steels, if you have collected for more than a year, you'll probably own some, maybe without even knowing it.

[mrpants]

Originally Posted by snooloui

The award for most obviously troll post goes to...

Everything you said is the exact opposite of what nearly every Steelbook collector wants. You may have got away with it if you had just suggested more re-prints, but then insulting Play.com even though they have produced some of the best looking Steelbooks released in the UK so far; well that just made it obvious.

Most of the play.com releases are junk. Cheaply thrown together artwork with the cheapest print quality and usually only one disc when even the amaray release got two discs. Wouldn't even use them as ashtrays (if I smoked).

Added snooloui to the scalper list.