Subliminal messages in Children Cartoons - Your Thoughts?

[kashif]

You must have seen those videos on youtube exposing subliminal messages in children cartoons. I mean at first I thought it might be a coincidence but anyone with eyes can see they are added on purpose and its not some mistake or coincidence.

So, now I am wondering what the animators will get by adding some filthy hidden messages in cartoons? I mean there are several cartoons by reputed companies having hidden subliminal messages like sex, illuminity etc.

I am now very cautious on should I let kids watch these cartoons or not? What is your opinion on this?

A subliminal message is received by our sub conscious immediately without our knowing as our eyes cant notice it without giving a thorough look. I know subliminal messages are there for a long time and specially in commercials but to add these in children stuff is just beyond my understanding. Kindly share your knowledge and thoughts.

Thanks!

[Kevin Holly]

If it takes adults years of analysis to find these hidden messages, chances are kids never will

I think you'll be fine.

[Visco.]

It's the illuminati.

[Walts Ghost]

Originally Posted by Kevin Holly

If it takes adults years of analysis to find these hidden messages, chances are kids never will

I think you'll be fine.

I agree completely.

[NARMAK]

Originally Posted by Visco.

It's the illuminati.

Well, we do need to orchestrate wars and make you feel like you should support us

I know what the OP means. The one 'all seeing' eye etc. all seem to pop up a LOT. It's almost a running gag. An 'inside joke' where this select group constantly flash it in front of us but we're just so unaware of what they're doing, because we know no better.

Some say it's part of a master plan, and ties in with biblical, end of world type stuff. Scary stuff indeed lol.

Personally, I think TV is a load of crap, so I almost never watch it anymore. Soap operas especially do my head in. Just useless innate crap.

[Petra_Kalbrain]

I grew up watching "the worst" of the content that you speak of and I'm quite a reasonable and level-headed individual. So, I don't see why it's a problem.

To me, this type of topic lends itself to a discussion of how you have prepared the kids to deal with the knowledge associated with life. My parents were very open about discussing mature matters with me. When a topic came up, no matter how uncomfortable, we all approached it with intellect instead of knee-jerk emotional reactions.

[NARMAK]

I'm actually very fortunate that I feel as if over the course of my last 18-23yr old life stage, I've found the maturity I need to approach life, but there are many that aren't as fortunate, and that seems to be the vast majority.

I think being able to control a society through whatever means necessary is becoming very important to a very powerful group of individuals, because it seems to allow them to get away with whatever with very small amounts of protest.

Western countries for instance encourage treason in the middle east, yet would NEVER tolerate such heinous acts being committed in their own countries, even though their people are sick and tired of them going to wars and not doing what they're elected to do.

But because the media and institutions are set up in a 'civil' manner, people blindly seem to accept the pretence like sheep. Sad stuff . To add insult to injury, to actually call them up on the crap puts you in the position of being dismissed as a fanatic, or whatever other bad name they can attach.

I genuinely feel sorry for the next generation of children, they're growing up with really highly sexualised world, where messages are mixed.

[EricJ]

Originally Posted by Kevin Holly

If it takes adults years of analysis to find these hidden messages, chances are kids never will

I think you'll be fine.

Not sure, I THINK the OP wanted to start a discussion about all those old 90's "hidden messages" the Southern Baptists were trying to harass Disney with, but...didn't really want to sound like he was sucker enough to believe them.

(FWIW, the Mermaid one wasn't there but was changed anyway, the Aladdin one was myth-busted after it went to disk with subtitles, and the Lion King one was a big fat frame-up job from the beginning.
So, if ya got any others besides those three, well...hey, it's a slow night on the forum. )

[cinemaphile]

The Lion King one was legit, and then there's a lady in the rescuers, but it has more to do with bored animators not subliminal messages. they're basically Easter eggs for adults and kids will never see them unless someone freeze frames just to show it to them.

I say do it more. Its fun.

[LordCrumb]

Originally Posted by kashif

You must have seen those videos on youtube exposing subliminal messages in children cartoons. I mean at first I thought it might be a coincidence but anyone with eyes can see they are added on purpose and its not some mistake or coincidence.

So, now I am wondering what the animators will get by adding some filthy hidden messages in cartoons? I mean there are several cartoons by reputed companies having hidden subliminal messages like sex, illuminity etc.

I am now very cautious on should I let kids watch these cartoons or not? What is your opinion on this?

A subliminal message is received by our sub conscious immediately without our knowing as our eyes cant notice it without giving a thorough look. I know subliminal messages are there for a long time and specially in commercials but to add these in children stuff is just beyond my understanding. Kindly share your knowledge and thoughts.

Thanks!

Any examples?

[NARMAK]

Originally Posted by cinemaphile

The Lion King one was legit, and then there's a lady in the rescuers, but it has more to do with bored animators not subliminal messages. they're basically Easter eggs for adults and kids will never see them unless someone freeze frames just to show it to them.

I say do it more. Its fun.

I don't understand, why would you do such a messed up thing?

They're not easter eggs for adults because most won't catch them. It's plain disgusting including such content and as for them being debunked, I find usually there's a 'propaganda' type thing that goes on where it's 'disproven'.

I'll give you an example, the 'Loose change' documentary, It goes very scientifically into a very important modern event, where it categorically refutes with science, logic and mathematics the entire event, but people still reject the findings. Why?

[toddly6666]

Originally Posted by NARMAK

I don't understand, why would you do such a messed up thing?

They're not easter eggs for adults because most won't catch them. It's plain disgusting including such content and as for them being debunked, I find usually there's a 'propaganda' type thing that goes on where it's 'disproven'.

I'll give you an example, the 'Loose change' documentary, It goes very scientifically into a very important modern event, where it categorically refutes with science, logic and mathematics the entire event, but people still reject the findings. Why?

What do you think about the great quantity of crop circles in the UK?

[cinemaphile]

Originally Posted by NARMAK

... as for them being debunked, I find usually there's a 'propaganda' type thing that goes on where it's 'disproven'.

while there are a VERY FEW legit instances of animators putting something in there, MOST are disproven because they were never true in the first place - no propoganda involved. It's people looking too hard for something that isn't there.
Example: Aladdin, where somebody started this thing about Aladdin whispering "all good kids take off your clothes!" From the very first viewing, before any subtitles, it was clear that he said, "Down! Good Kitty! Take off! Go!" (Jasmine's tiger Rajah was bothering him) But people wanted to find controversy where there was none.
If you look or listen for something, you'll hear or see what you want to. It's like someone pointing out a shape in a cloud or ink blot.

Here's another non-existent one:
At the very end of the opening song of How the Grinch Stole Christmas, they sing, "...and join the Ku Klux Klan!" (jump to about 1:15)

How the Grinch Stole Christmas "Welcome Christmas" - YouTube

of course, they are NOT saying that, but if you listen for it, you'll hear it.

[The Great Owl]

Originally Posted by NARMAK

I'll give you an example, the 'Loose change' documentary, It goes very scientifically into a very important modern event, where it categorically refutes with science, logic and mathematics the entire event, but people still reject the findings. Why?

People reject the findings in Loose Change because the "findings" in that film have been debunked several times over.

I watched Loose Change a couple of years ago, and I am at a loss as to how any person with two adjoining brain cells could possibly take the movie seriously. The final moments of the film, with the narrator raising his voice in indignation, are downright hilarious. Loose Change is the stuff of tin foil hat hysterics, and it is a shoddy excuse for a documentary.

This will be my final post in this thread, because the subject matter veers close to political discussion, but I do want to address the conspiracy theory issues at hand with respect to Loose Change, cartoon messages, and such.
People who feel powerless like to latch on to conspiracy theories, because their participation in these beliefs gives them a feeling of power, where they feel that they are somehow more in control in the world if they can uncover a perceived truth of which the masses are not aware. This participation may be fun, in the sense that one feels like a character in a real-life The X-Files, but it is a poor substitute for critical thought and for the ability to detect logical fallacies. Whenever such a theory gives you an emotional charge, take ten steps back, think about what you have seen or heard, and try to understand why emotions were stirred into action in lieu of reason and logic.

[NARMAK]

Originally Posted by toddly6666

What do you think about the great quantity of crop circles in the UK?

I've not looked into that as I don't believe in outer space green men. As you just proved, this is exactly the type of dismissal I expected. Clearly, my suggestion of people with extreme wealth being in cahoots to control major political events is a stretch too far for many. Or was it something else?

[legendarymatt92]

Sometimes there are messages in texts (usually animators names and whatnot) but most occurrences are more to do with a subjective emphasis -- for example one person hearing something different to what is really there -- and then that is forced upon the viewer, especially in YouTube clips.

I'll use the example of the linked "How the Grinch Stole Christmas". Hardly anyone would have heard the suggested meaning had the member, or the video uploader, not made clear what you should be listened for; it would have just been the normal song. However, since someone has put another meaning there, you automatically listen out for that and, nine times out of ten, hear it.

[NARMAK]

Originally Posted by cinemaphile

while there are a VERY FEW legit instances of animators putting something in there, MOST are disproven because they were never true in the first place - no propoganda involved. It's people looking too hard for something that isn't there.
Example: Aladdin, where somebody started this thing about Aladdin whispering "all good kids take off your clothes!" From the very first viewing, before any subtitles, it was clear that he said, "Down! Good Kitty! Take off! Go!" (Jasmine's tiger Rajah was bothering him) But people wanted to find controversy where there was none.
If you look or listen for something, you'll hear or see what you want to. It's like someone pointing out a shape in a cloud or ink blot.

Here's another non-existent one:
At the very end of the opening song of How the Grinch Stole Christmas, they sing, "...and join the Ku Klux Klan!" (jump to about 1:15)

How the Grinch Stole Christmas "Welcome Christmas" - YouTube

of course, they are NOT saying that, but if you listen for it, you'll hear it.

Look, i'm not supporting the examples necessarily given, but I do generally find that there are some cartoons etc. which do have a very covert agenda which they push. Whether it be through subliminal or sneakily hidden methods.

I'm not a 'tin-foil' hat person, but some can call me that if they want, because I happen to believe in religion which can't be 'proved' by any of their desired measures.

Originally Posted by The Great Owl

People reject the findings in Loose Change because the "findings" in that film have been debunked several times over.

I watched Loose Change a couple of years ago, and I am at a loss as to how any person with two adjoining brain cells could possibly take the movie seriously. The final moments of the film, with the narrator raising his voice in indignation, are downright hilarious. Loose Change is the stuff of tin foil hat hysterics, and it is a shoddy excuse for a documentary.

This will be my final post in this thread, because the subject matter veers close to political discussion, but I do want to address the conspiracy theory issues at hand with respect to Loose Change, cartoon messages, and such.
People who feel powerless like to latch on to conspiracy theories, because their participation in these beliefs gives them a feeling of power, where they feel that they are somehow more in control in the world if they can uncover a perceived truth of which the masses are not aware. This participation may be fun, in the sense that one feels like a character in a real-life The X-Files, but it is a poor substitute for critical thought and for the ability to detect logical fallacies. Whenever such a theory gives you an emotional charge, take ten steps back, think about what you have seen or heard, and try to understand why emotions were stirred into action in lieu of reason and logic.

Could you PM me the links please.

Also, I don't feel 'powerless' as you put it, but I do know to the effect with which I'm capable to effect change, and it is as much as yours which is nigh on useless. We hold no 'power' to make desired change even if we wanted to because your lifes limited by means.

Also, I like how again, like toddly, you attempt to dismiss people as not holding critical thought and having an ability to detect logical fallacies. You call 'Loose change' a joke and say its been debunked, but on there, they have men with high degree qualifications and knowledge who debunked the 'official' findings. Also, common sense is something you should utilise. How did a passport survive intact when everything else was incinerated? Is that physically capable?

I think you chose to reject them, because those findings may have been inconvenient to your perception of how things should be, NOT because they don't hold truth.

Perception and factual reality are two completely different things, and perception can be spun however as needed in many different ways as desired.

[yeslek]

Originally Posted by The Great Owl

People reject the findings in Loose Change because the "findings" in that film have been debunked several times over.

I watched Loose Change a couple of years ago, and I am at a loss as to how any person with two adjoining brain cells could possibly take the movie seriously. The final moments of the film, with the narrator raising his voice in indignation, are downright hilarious. Loose Change is the stuff of tin foil hat hysterics, and it is a shoddy excuse for a documentary.

I've always been a bit suss about Loose Change being so clean cut and matter of fact so would be interested in anyone debunking the ideas of it - do you have a link or can you name some examples?

to be honest, even though that movie makes a good argument, I've always figured the truth to hide somewhere between what movies like that say and what the media reports.

[NARMAK]

Originally Posted by yeslek

I've always been a bit suss about Loose Change being so clean cut and matter of fact so would be interested in anyone debunking the ideas of it - do you have a link or can you name some examples?

to be honest, even though that movie makes a good argument, I've always figured the truth to hide somewhere between what movies like that say and what the media reports.

Loose Change apparently had some 'facts' checked, and they didn't check out, BUT there are still many, many questions, that the explanations given hold up.

So in the end, it comes down to which side you want to believe. I choose to believe we were lied to because they could, and what it meant in the future for those who did it.

Some people I think look at the world with too many rosy tinted glasses and can't possibly fathom that such evil can be committed even simply in the name of greed. We're human after all, no matter how 'evolved' we think we are, the savagery just becomes more efficient in execution and the methods of concealment more sophisticated.

[42041]

Originally Posted by NARMAK

I'll give you an example, the 'Loose change' documentary, It goes very scientifically into a very important modern event, where it categorically refutes with science, logic and mathematics the entire event, but people still reject the findings. Why?

Draping BS in (what purports to be) science, logic, and mathematics is a tactic often used by cranks of all sorts, whether it be audiophile snake oil salesmen, perpetual motion scams, etc, as their target audience typically has no real understanding of any of those things.