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Old 10-17-2013, 10:31 PM   #1
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Japan Lawrence of Arabia (Mastered in 4K)



Sony Pictures Home Entertainment Japan will bring a Mastered in 4K Blu-ray edition of Lawrence of Arabia (1962) to Japan on December 20th.
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Old 10-17-2013, 10:34 PM   #2
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Probably the same as the current release or ever-so-slightly different. The current edition was already mastered in 4K (just not promoted that way).
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Probably the same as the current release or ever-so-slightly different. The current edition was already mastered in 4K (just not promoted that way).
I don't think it will be identical, because it is two discs, meaning the film will be split over two discs. Whether that will cause much of an improvement, I doubt it. Nevertheless, I will be getting this, as I am a sheep.

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Are we sure it's not just the second disc from the two-disc set already available?
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Are we sure it's not just the second disc from the two-disc set already available?
That's doubtful. None of the other M4K titles have any of their extras that were not on Superbit DVDs, and LoA had no extras on Superbit DVD. It's far more likely that the discs will be encoded at a high bitrate and that because of the length of the film, it was necessary to split the film over two BDs.

EDIT: And according to SPHE Japan's web site listing, the M4K will also have a lossless Japanese: DTS-HD MA 5.1 DUB track, while it appears that our BD set, and the current Japanese BD sets, have only a lossy Japanese: Dolby Digital 5.1 track. The same site states that both M4K discs are dual-layered, and the regular BD sets have one BD-50 and one BD-25.

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I received my set today:

Confirmation:

Both discs in this set are region-free.

Well, as you can see, this set is primed for a US release, with the inclusion of English and English SDH subtitles, as well as the French DUB track (but no French subs). The menus load in English, and the are the usual US copyright warnings as well.

The audio is (almost) identical (bit for bit) with the regular BD, which has been par for the course with M4K BDs.

The film is divided at its intermission.

No extras.

The only other difference to the regular BD is that the Japanese DUB has been upgraded to lossless DTS-HD MA 5.1. I sampled it, and it is an interesting bonus.

I am reserving my comments for now, but my initial reaction is that I am impressed, and very satisfied with my purchase. Don't get me wrong, the differences are small, but I would say I'm actually more pleased than I thought I would be.

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DISC INFO:

Disc Title:     Lawrence of Arabia 4K Disc 1
Disc Size:      44,977,010,150 bytes
Protection:     AACS
BD-Java:        Yes
BDInfo:         0.5.8

PLAYLIST REPORT:

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Length:                 2:19:24.356 (h:m:s.ms)
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Total Bitrate:          42.24 Mbps

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Dolby Digital Audio             French          640 kbps        5.1 / 48 kHz / 640 kbps
DTS-HD Master Audio             Japanese        2218 kbps       5.1 / 48 kHz / 2218 kbps / 16-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 1509 kbps / 16-bit)

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Presentation Graphics           English         18.341 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Japanese        15.374 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Japanese        0.025 kbps                      

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DISC INFO:

Disc Title:     Lawrence of Arabia 4K Disc 2
Disc Size:      28,563,670,558 bytes
Protection:     AACS
BD-Java:        Yes
BDInfo:         0.5.8

PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name:                   00001.MPLS
Length:                 1:27:36.251 (h:m:s.ms)
Size:                   27,755,046,912 bytes
Total Bitrate:          42.24 Mbps

VIDEO:

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MPEG-4 AVC Video        34872 kbps          1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1

AUDIO:

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-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
DTS-HD Master Audio             English         2143 kbps       5.1 / 48 kHz / 2143 kbps / 16-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 1509 kbps / 16-bit)
Dolby Digital Audio             French          640 kbps        5.1 / 48 kHz / 640 kbps
DTS-HD Master Audio             Japanese        2181 kbps       5.1 / 48 kHz / 2181 kbps / 16-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 1509 kbps / 16-bit)

SUBTITLES:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
Presentation Graphics           English         17.506 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           English         22.578 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Japanese        18.702 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Japanese        0.052 kbps                      

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thanks for the confirmation

Be interesting to see the PNG files
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I hope there's a comparison soon, Moneyball is one example where the bitrate is higher but the image looks worse on the Mi4k range.
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How is the difference is quality? Is there a jump in clarity, even if slightly or does the high bitrate just better alleviate marcoblocking issues?

Probably going to buy, even if to just have a easier accessible disk that having to break into my collectors box set every time I want to watch ha.
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I'm breaking down next paycheck and will grab this.
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Sony Pictures Home Entertainment Japan will bring a Mastered in 4K Blu-ray edition of Lawrence of Arabia (1962) to Japan on December 20th.
Ok, this is odd seeing that this movie was already mastered in 4k and already has the most beautiful picture of any movie ive seen that was made in the same time period. Well, if there is in fact a notable improvement, im in!
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Comparison is up:

http://www.caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergl...ID=117#auswahl
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This looks a bit better than the other releases, but it has no extras!
I don't know what to do..
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I don't think it's worth it. The copious extras are all gone (which is the main point for me), the movie is divided onto 2 discs now, and the picture quality is barely noticeably improved. And the audio is exactly the same.

I don't understand why Sony 4K titles don't upgrade their audio. Spider-Man 1 could've been improved as well as Taxi Driver, but they did nothing with them.
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I don't understand why Sony 4K titles don't upgrade their audio.
'Cause it's good enough to make money for them. They need to churn out these "mastered in" discs quick, before people start wanting actual 4K.
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What's the UPC for this?

I'll also be ordering this soon cause of Amazon JP current sale too. Was going to ass it to DVDProfiler database too since it's not in there.

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What's the UPC for this?

I'll also be ordering this soon cause of Amazon JP current sale too. Was going to ass it to DVDProfiler database too since it's not in there.
It is 4547462087256.
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It is 4547462087256.
Thanks! Does it have a slipcover?
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Old 09-07-2014, 12:06 PM   #19
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Thanks! Does it have a slipcover?
It does not. I pre-ordered it from Amazon and received it on release. None of the Sony Japan barebones M4K BDs have slipcovers, it seems.
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Any more JP 4k Sony titles that differs from US disc besides this?
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