PS3 S3D: Movies 1080p48, Games 720p120 - Blu-ray Forum

fettastic · 04-27-2010, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Shin-Ra

http://www.gamerlive.tv/3d-gaming-summit
[video: Sony Talks About Its 3D Product Plans At 3D Gaming Summit]

Original post:

HOLY CRAP! Well I guess the answer to the question of whether or not the PS3 would output 1080i or 1080p is NEITHER!

It goes on to say that not only will Blu-rays be downgraded, but SO WILL GAMES, sometimes not even to HD!

http://hdguru3d.com/index.php?option...news&Itemid=59

Strange that they say the cell isn't powerful enough to do it, yet a fricken' Samsung TV can?

Do you think they handicapped it on purpose to sell more 3DBD players? It's just shocking that this was not revealed earlier, especially when demoing it at CES!

STARSCREAM · 04-27-2010, 07:21 PM

It doesn't mention blu-ray movies so I'm still thinking and holding out hope that movies will be full 3D. Also, new games built from ground up to 3D should be fine I'd think.

Q? · 04-27-2010, 07:23 PM

Is the 3D upgrade optional?
I sure hope so becase I'll never upgrade.

iam1bearcat · 04-27-2010, 07:27 PM

oh no

[Show spoiler]

aphex · 04-27-2010, 07:39 PM

I'm sure the upgrade will be in an automatic update, but you don't have to use 3D if you don't want.

Also, it obviously wasn't done on purpose. Any limitations it may have would be from hardware. I doubt they were looking years into the future about 3D blu-ray and the ps3's possible limitations.

MrFattBill · 04-27-2010, 07:42 PM

I would be more upset at this had the FAT PS3's actually come with the dual HDMI ouputs as they were intended (one to 3D TV and one to an HDMI 1.3 receiver for uncompressed audio). For me 3D acceptance is a long way off due to needing new equipment besides the player.

Bill

ToEhrIsHuman · 04-27-2010, 07:44 PM

This article only makes reference to the PS3's 3D gaming capabilities. Nowhere is BD3D mentioned. I would expect 1080i is still more than likely for BD3D output as early tests for PiP on the PS3 allowed for the simultaneous decoding of two 1080p streams, and that was a couple of years ago. Rendering game graphics for 3D is another thing entirely.

fettastic · 04-27-2010, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by ToEhrIsHuman

This article only makes reference to the PS3's 3D gaming capabilities. Nowhere is BD3D mentioned. I would expect 1080i is still more than likely for BD3D output as early tests for PiP on the PS3 allowed for the simultaneous decoding of two 1080p streams, and that was a couple of years ago. Rendering game graphics for 3D is another thing entirely.

"According to Sony, the Playstation 3 is not optimized or powerful enough to project two varying 1080p frames to each eye when trying to create the 3D experience."

So 1080p is definitely out. Is it still POSSIBLE that it could do 1080i for Blu-ray 3D? If so, I would think their PR people would have made that ABUNDANTLY clear in this statement.

And I frankly still don't believe that a fricken' Samsung TV has more processing power than a cell chip.

MrFattBill · 04-27-2010, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by fettastic

"According to Sony, the Playstation 3 is not optimized or powerful enough to project two varying 1080p frames to each eye when trying to create the 3D experience."

So 1080p is definitely out. Is it still POSSIBLE that it could do 1080i for Blu-ray 3D? If so, I would think their PR people would have made that ABUNDANTLY clear in this statement.

And I frankly still don't believe that a fricken' Samsung TV has more processing power than a cell chip.

Maybe it's not powerful enough to process 2 1080p feeds at a rate of 60fps which would be used for gaming but could possibly do the 24fps for movies?

Just a thought.

Bill

Buddy Christ · 04-27-2010, 08:43 PM

Most games are 720p anyway. Look only a few like U2DF are in 1080

Q? · 04-27-2010, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Blu2U

Most games are 720p anyway. Look only a few like U2DF are in 1080

Nope.
"For games such as WipeOut the resolution was scaled down from 1080p to 720p, however with native 720p games such as MotorStorm the 3D versions were scaled down to 480p standard definition graphics, to enable the 3D effect."

fettastic · 04-27-2010, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Blu2U

Most games are 720p anyway. Look only a few like U2DF are in 1080

It downscales Motorstorm to fricken 480p!

fettastic · 04-27-2010, 08:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrFattBill

Maybe it's not powerful enough to process 2 1080p feeds at a rate of 60fps which would be used for gaming but could possibly do the 24fps for movies?

Just a thought.

Bill

Yes, that is a good point. I hope you are right.

skoselger · 04-27-2010, 08:56 PM

LOOL. we are actually going back in time

mywhitenoise · 04-27-2010, 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blu2U

Most games are 720p anyway. Look only a few like U2DF are in 1080

Uncharted 2 isn't 1080p native.

Taat · 04-27-2010, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Q!

Is the 3D upgrade optional?
I sure hope so becase I'll never upgrade.

I agree with Q it better be optional because I only really want to stay with 2D movies. Does anyone know if the 3D upgrade is optional?

dobyblue · 04-27-2010, 09:29 PM

Nothing to do with the power...the HDMI chipset in the PS3 isn't capable of 1080p120 which is why you cannot do 1080p60 3D games.

The SiI9132 chipset used in the PS3 has a maximum bandwidth of 6.75 Gbps [ref], which is not enough for 1080p120, but is enough for 1080p60, 1080p24 and 1080p48. So I'm not sure why full 1080p 3D from Blu-ray would be a problem from a bandwidth standpoint for sets that can accept 1080p48 and I certainly can't see how it would be a problem from a computational standpoint given that the PS3 is capable of decoding 2 1080p24 AVC/MPEG-4 streams at the same time already. I guess if all 3D TV's require a 1080p120 input then that would explain it, but seems weird that they wouldn't want to allow for a judder-free input which 1080p120 ain't.

Q? · 04-27-2010, 09:35 PM

Thanks for your input dobyblue, I've been thinking, so it won't mean that regular 2D viewing would be downscaled right?

Maximus · 04-27-2010, 09:37 PM

I fail to see where it says Blu-ray...

Also, only current games will be downgraded as the game engines are already being pushed at their current settings. It says nothing about future games being limited to 720p. Common sense says yes, but SCE first party have defied common sense on plenty of occasions.

The article is also about 2 months late on this news and there have been hands on post-GDC which have been better for 3D than the ones at GDC.

KS76 · 04-27-2010, 10:25 PM

Existing games that are being patched for stereoscopic 3D are being downgraded to output the dual streams.

However, new games built from the groundup by developers with stereoscopic 3D in mind will not need to be downgraded.

04-27-2010, 07:21 PM	#2
STARSCREAM Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Feb 2008 Location:Dagobah Blu-ray collection:148 Trading Score:67	It doesn't mention blu-ray movies so I'm still thinking and holding out hope that movies will be full 3D. Also, new games built from ground up to 3D should be fine I'd think. Last edited by STARSCREAM; 04-28-2010 at 08:32 PM.

04-27-2010, 09:29 PM	#17
dobyblue Super Moderator Top contributor Member since:Jul 2006 Location:Ontario, Canada Home Theater Gallery:71 4K collection:55 Blu-ray collection:655 Blu-ray reviews: 15	Nothing to do with the power...the HDMI chipset in the PS3 isn't capable of 1080p120 which is why you cannot do 1080p60 3D games. The SiI9132 chipset used in the PS3 has a maximum bandwidth of 6.75 Gbps [ref], which is not enough for 1080p120, but is enough for 1080p60, 1080p24 and 1080p48. So I'm not sure why full 1080p 3D from Blu-ray would be a problem from a bandwidth standpoint for sets that can accept 1080p48 and I certainly can't see how it would be a problem from a computational standpoint given that the PS3 is capable of decoding 2 1080p24 AVC/MPEG-4 streams at the same time already. I guess if all 3D TV's require a 1080p120 input then that would explain it, but seems weird that they wouldn't want to allow for a judder-free input which 1080p120 ain't. Last edited by dobyblue; 04-27-2010 at 09:32 PM.

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04-27-2010, 07:23 PM	#3
Q? Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Dec 2008 Location:Nuuk, Greenland Blu-ray collection:168	Is the 3D upgrade optional? I sure hope so becase I'll never upgrade.

04-27-2010, 07:27 PM	#4
iam1bearcat Blu-ray Knight Member since:Nov 2009 Location:Club Loop Home Theater Gallery:7 Blu-ray collection:54 DVD collection:28 Trading Score:29	oh no [Show spoiler]

04-27-2010, 07:39 PM	#5
aphex Special Member Member since:Sep 2007 Location:Scottsdale Blu-ray reviews:1 Trading Score:4	I'm sure the upgrade will be in an automatic update, but you don't have to use 3D if you don't want. Also, it obviously wasn't done on purpose. Any limitations it may have would be from hardware. I doubt they were looking years into the future about 3D blu-ray and the ps3's possible limitations.

04-27-2010, 07:42 PM	#6
MrFattBill Blu-ray Ninja Top ranked HT gallery Top contributor Member since:Aug 2009 Location:jO-hio Home Theater Gallery:206 Blu-ray collection:578 Trading Score:5	I would be more upset at this had the FAT PS3's actually come with the dual HDMI ouputs as they were intended (one to 3D TV and one to an HDMI 1.3 receiver for uncompressed audio). For me 3D acceptance is a long way off due to needing new equipment besides the player. Bill

04-27-2010, 07:44 PM	#7
ToEhrIsHuman Expert Member Top contributor Member since:Jun 2007 Location:San Diego, CA USA 4K collection:393 Blu-ray collection:947 DVD collection:3	This article only makes reference to the PS3's 3D gaming capabilities. Nowhere is BD3D mentioned. I would expect 1080i is still more than likely for BD3D output as early tests for PiP on the PS3 allowed for the simultaneous decoding of two 1080p streams, and that was a couple of years ago. Rendering game graphics for 3D is another thing entirely.

04-27-2010, 08:43 PM	#10
Buddy Christ Power Member Member since:Aug 2009 Home Theater Gallery:1 Blu-ray collection:142 Blu-ray reviews:7	Most games are 720p anyway. Look only a few like U2DF are in 1080

04-27-2010, 08:56 PM	#14
skoselger Member Member since:Mar 2010 Blu-ray collection:16 Blu-ray reviews:3	LOOL. we are actually going back in time

04-27-2010, 09:35 PM	#18
Q? Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Dec 2008 Location:Nuuk, Greenland Blu-ray collection:168	Thanks for your input dobyblue, I've been thinking, so it won't mean that regular 2D viewing would be downscaled right?

04-27-2010, 09:37 PM	#19
Maximus Super Moderator Top contributor Member since:Nov 2006	I fail to see where it says Blu-ray... Also, only current games will be downgraded as the game engines are already being pushed at their current settings. It says nothing about future games being limited to 720p. Common sense says yes, but SCE first party have defied common sense on plenty of occasions. The article is also about 2 months late on this news and there have been hands on post-GDC which have been better for 3D than the ones at GDC.

04-27-2010, 10:25 PM	#20
KS76 Active Member Member since:Dec 2009 Location:Miami	Existing games that are being patched for stereoscopic 3D are being downgraded to output the dual streams. However, new games built from the groundup by developers with stereoscopic 3D in mind will not need to be downgraded.

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