Sony launches four high-end Blu-ray recorders - Blu-ray Forum

aygie · 09-12-2007, 07:46 AM

Only in Japan so far...... http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/09/12...ray-recorders/

JonasK · 09-12-2007, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Aygie

Only in Japan so far...... http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/09/12...ray-recorders/

Cool! And since the release date is Nov. 8th, they will either be profile 1.1 or 2.0 players!

56@Yamamoto · 09-12-2007, 08:43 AM

All four models proflle 1.1 as player. All models also have capability of on board decode of DolbyTHD and DTS HDMA, and both bitstream transfer.

celle · 09-12-2007, 10:18 AM

more pictures:

http://www.sony.jp/CorporateCruise/P...00709/07-0912/

http://www.akihabaranews.com/en/news...from+SONY.html

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All four models proflle 1.1 as player. All models also have capability of on board decode of DolbyTHD and DTS HDMA, and both bitstream transfer.
Today 08:27 AM

DTS-HD MA, Profile 1.1, DLNA, AVCHD!!! wow, unbelievably, why Sony does such a thing! We only get 1.0 Player without DTS-HD MA!!!

These recorders are better Blu-ray players as the S500 and S2000ES!

bferr1 · 09-12-2007, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by celle

DTS-HD MA, Profile 1.1, DLNA, AVCHD!!! wow, unbelievably, why Sony does such a thing!

Probably because they can't market that product in the States with a reasonable pricetag at the moment.

Need0fMany · 09-12-2007, 01:21 PM

I don't know how it works over in Japan but in the US the digital transmissions are kind of in a messy state for a product like that. Cable and satellite companies have tied their services to their own HD DVR boxes. The only option is to use CableCards but they have reduced functionality and very spotty support from cable\satellite companies since they don't really want to support them. That leaves the over-the-air digital transmissions which doesn't offer as many shows\movies and less coverage and require more know-how in setting up.

I looked into the HD Tivo but the CableCard mess with my cable company just turned me sour to that idea.

So, I don't know how a product like that would work here in the US. I'm curious though so if you have some info, please share.

Rio · 09-12-2007, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by celle

DTS-HD MA, Profile 1.1, DLNA, AVCHD!!! wow, unbelievably, why Sony does such a thing! We only get 1.0 Player without DTS-HD MA!!!

I don't think those BD recorders can decode DTS-HD MA. Just bitstream out.

Bullseye · 09-12-2007, 01:45 PM

I hope they get around to making an entry level BD player to help convince people BD is the way to go. These players are all fantastic but they need to do something about an entry level player in the $280 - $300 mark.

JonasK · 09-12-2007, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Rio

I don't think those BD recorders can decode DTS-HD MA. Just bitstream out.

Probably correct. According to the Japanese press release, Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD MA can be outputed via HDMI. It says nothing about decoding them.

radagast · 09-12-2007, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Aygie

Only in Japan so far...... http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/09/12...ray-recorders/

Oh yeah? Well Sony is just playing catch-up to hd-dvd's recorders.... ummm wait. There aren't any hd-dvd recorders anywhere.

And look at this item that you could link to from this original link. Sony has an OLED TV with 1,000,000 to 1 contrast ratio.

http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/09/12...s-by-december/

Oh yeah? Well Toshiba has an SED tv coming out that has that kind of contrast and.... Wait. Toshiba was sued by a Texas company that owned the patent on SEDs so they won't have any at all.

Maximus · 09-12-2007, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Rio

I don't think those BD recorders can decode DTS-HD MA. Just bitstream out.

They are capable of both according to Engadget.

msallaq · 09-12-2007, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by radagast

Oh yeah? Well Sony is just playing catch-up to hd-dvd's recorders.... ummm wait. There aren't any hd-dvd recorders anywhere.

And look at this item that you could link to from this original link. Sony has an OLED TV with 1,000,000 to 1 contrast ratio.

http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/09/12...s-by-december/

Oh yeah? Well Toshiba has an SED tv coming out that has that kind of contrast and.... Wait. Toshiba was sued by a Texas company that owned the patent on SEDs so they won't have any at all.

god damn hd dvd fanboy if i see one them front of me i'll kick the shit out of him.

JonasK · 09-12-2007, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by 56@Yamamoto

All four models proflle 1.1 as player. All models also have capability of on board decode of DolbyTHD and DTS HDMA, and both bitstream transfer.

Do you have a source for the claim that they can decode Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD MA? I could neither find it in the Impress article nor in Sony's press release. I would not trust Engadget on this...

Digital Filmmaker · 09-12-2007, 09:42 PM

Wow! That X90 is really something. I MUST have one!

Are there any US importers that would carry it?

Maximus · 09-12-2007, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Digital Filmmaker

Wow! That X90 is really something. I MUST have one!

Are there any US importers that would carry it?

I would try the normal places like ebay first.

DVD would be locked to region two, which could be a problem if you are in the US.

JonasK · 09-13-2007, 07:03 AM

Here's the English version of Sony's press release.
http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/News/Pr...E/07-0912E.pdf

Krazy · 09-13-2007, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Digital Filmmaker

Wow! That X90 is really something. I MUST have one!

Are there any US importers that would carry it?

Four problems that makes it impractical to use in the US:

1. DVD playback is locked to region 2
2. The digital tuners use Japan's unique ISDB system which is different (and therefore incompatible) with the US ATSC system
3. while analog TV in Japan is the same NTSC used in the US, the actual broadcast frequencies are different. You could still be able to receive analog channels but the channel numbers will be quite off/different
4. Incompatible Conditional Access System, uses Japan's B-CAS system which is similar (but not compatible) with Cable Card used in the US

You'd be better off waiting for Sony to launch a US version, but that's unlikely as they've said they don't see a market for these recorders in North America

WriteSimply · 09-13-2007, 05:30 PM

According to PC World, with the advent of these recorders Sony is ditching DVD recorders.

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Sony Corp. is increasing its bet on Blu-ray Disc and plans to ditch DVD and use the high-definition video disc format in all future digital video recorders in Japan, the company said Wednesday.

The announcement was made at the same time as Sony, the biggest backer of the technology, unveiled four new Blu-ray Disc video recorders. They include support for dual-layer discs -- something that was missing from models announced this time last year -- and can transcode video into the more efficient MPEG4 AVC format to increase recording time per disc.

fuad

Maximus · 09-13-2007, 05:35 PM

^

Sounds interesting, but it is probably just for Japan.

It would be suicidal for Sony to give up the only profitable part of DVD revenue in the US and Europe.

BigB88 · 09-13-2007, 05:40 PM

These player/recorders support both Blu-Ray record and playback as well as DVD+-R/RW and DL, so it appears that although Sony is stating they want to get away from regular DVD, regular DVD will be here for years to come and they know it.

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09-12-2007, 08:43 AM	#3
56@Yamamoto Active Member Member since:Nov 2006	All four models proflle 1.1 as player. All models also have capability of on board decode of DolbyTHD and DTS HDMA, and both bitstream transfer.

09-12-2007, 01:21 PM	#6
Need0fMany Active Member Member since:Jan 2007	I don't know how it works over in Japan but in the US the digital transmissions are kind of in a messy state for a product like that. Cable and satellite companies have tied their services to their own HD DVR boxes. The only option is to use CableCards but they have reduced functionality and very spotty support from cable\satellite companies since they don't really want to support them. That leaves the over-the-air digital transmissions which doesn't offer as many shows\movies and less coverage and require more know-how in setting up. I looked into the HD Tivo but the CableCard mess with my cable company just turned me sour to that idea. So, I don't know how a product like that would work here in the US. I'm curious though so if you have some info, please share.

09-12-2007, 01:45 PM	#8
Bullseye Blu-ray Samurai Top contributor Member since:Sep 2006 Location:Ireland Home Theater Gallery:24 4K collection:70 Blu-ray collection:760 Blu-ray reviews: 44	I hope they get around to making an entry level BD player to help convince people BD is the way to go. These players are all fantastic but they need to do something about an entry level player in the $280 - $300 mark.

09-12-2007, 09:42 PM	#14
Digital Filmmaker Active Member Member since:Mar 2006 4K collection:190 Blu-ray collection:1597 DVD collection:405	Wow! That X90 is really something. I MUST have one! Are there any US importers that would carry it?

09-13-2007, 07:03 AM	#16
JonasK Member Member since:Oct 2006	Here's the English version of Sony's press release. http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/News/Pr...E/07-0912E.pdf

09-13-2007, 05:35 PM	#19
Maximus Super Moderator Top contributor Member since:Nov 2006	^ Sounds interesting, but it is probably just for Japan. It would be suicidal for Sony to give up the only profitable part of DVD revenue in the US and Europe.

09-13-2007, 05:40 PM	#20
BigB88 Active Member Member since:Aug 2007	These player/recorders support both Blu-Ray record and playback as well as DVD+-R/RW and DL, so it appears that although Sony is stating they want to get away from regular DVD, regular DVD will be here for years to come and they know it.

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