BDs manufactured with firmware updates? - Blu-ray Forum

Papi4baby · 10-21-2007, 12:29 AM

Instead of those nice flyers inside the movies informing that a firmware might e required, start putting them on the disc, and have the player auto load them.

Thank you.

If you think this is a good idea or not, please cast your vote.

jaymzbo · 10-21-2007, 12:33 AM

I guess I assumed d/ling FW updates were just part of the territory that goes with owning High-Def electronics and would be happy with either it being on the disc or downloading it as I always have; did not know there was a demand to have it on the disc

edit: would vote for does not matter to me; either way is cool

Bruuce · 10-21-2007, 12:41 AM

This is a short term solution. As companies come out with more models, and also if/when companies come out with budget Blu-ray players (ie. wal-mart players), then they will only be able to put so many firmwares on the disc. Eventually there will have to be a standard like DVD so that firmware upgrades will be unneccessary and all players will be able to play all movies. I dunno when that will happen, but I'm sure the BDA have that kind of permanent fix in mind.

whippersnapper · 10-21-2007, 12:44 AM

I'd just as soon save space on the disc for the actual movies. Exactly how many firmware updates would have to be included for all the different CE manufacturers. No offense, but I think this is a "solution" for a problem that doesn't really exist.

foots · 10-21-2007, 12:47 AM

Over time this is not plausible... it may not even be plausible already (I think paidgeek already commented on this). As time goes on the number of different players will multiply.

For instance look at the number of different DVD players there are in the world today. Each different model would most likely have its own firmware. It would take forever to coordinate with all of the CE manufaturers to put the newest firmware for each model on one disc.

Putting PS3 updates on PS3 games make sense because there is only one firmware at any given time.

What you propose would be a nightmare.

Robmx · 10-21-2007, 01:06 AM

Not too sure how difficult it is for others to get updates but I have no problem updating the PS3 through system update. I think it would be ok to put a note in the disc saying it might require a update and list the websites for each company that has players..... Update the list as we go along for the ride.....

Papi4baby · 10-21-2007, 01:20 AM

Guys this is only until BD2.0 comes online with online updating.

I dont understand how you guys dont agree with this. Yes we know how to do the FW update, but what about J6P that just want's to open his movie and watch it!!!.

Let's say that a FW is 50MB.
Let's say Sony has 4 players, that's 200MB for Sony's FW.
Let's say the same for Samsung and Panasonic, that would make it 600MB total for FW updated, you guys are telling me we can't afford 600MB out of 50GB

P.S. The FW upgrades should only be put on the disc for the players tha needed for the specific movie.

gvortex7 · 10-21-2007, 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by whippersnapper

I'd just as soon save space on the disc for the actual movies. Exactly how many firmware updates would have to be included for all the different CE manufacturers. No offense, but I think this is a "solution" for a problem that doesn't really exist.

Firmwares updates for Blu-ray players are usually around 50MB. Even if you have to include 10 different firmwares on the same disc, that's still only 500MB. That's not gonna make a huge dent on a 50GB Blu-ray disc.

WickyWoo · 10-21-2007, 01:27 AM

It's also impossible, not to mention completely impractical.

When the player sees the firmware file on the disc, it automatically reboots and goes into upgrade mode. You'd never be able to play a disc

And asking for gigabyte upon gigabyte on every disc to be wasted on firmware updates, updates which BTW will be completely out of date by the time the disc actually gets in your hands, updates that usually aren't started until said disc is finished anyway.

Instead, deal with it, spend 5 minutes downloading it, and 15 cents on a CD.

2.0 players will update over the net no fuss no muss. 2 years from now that'll be all they make.

dobyblue · 10-21-2007, 02:20 AM

I'd rather the studios just worry about their movie and let the hardware people do the firmware upgrades.

I fully agree with Fox when they made the statement about FFRSS and Day after Tomorrow playback issues being the fault of the hardware companies.

Robmx · 10-21-2007, 02:24 AM

One question about this......

When u go to watch the BLU say.... 3 years later.... Will it install the update again over top of the newer one you have?

ClaytonMG · 10-21-2007, 02:26 AM

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Originally Posted by dobyblue

I'd rather the studios just worry about their movie and let the hardware people do the firmware upgrades.

I fully agree with Fox when they made the statement about FFRSS and Day after Tomorrow playback issues being the fault of the hardware companies.

Absolutely. I have no problem doing firmware upgrades. Especially with the PS3... It's very easy. And like WickyWoo said, it's just a waste of space.

And to the person that asked if it would over write it, it shouldn't. It would probably just tell you "You're firmware is upgraded already" since all firmware upgrades include the previous updates (at leas the Sony ones do).

foots · 10-21-2007, 03:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Papi4baby

P.S. The FW upgrades should only be put on the disc for the players tha needed for the specific movie.

So the studios should just wait around not releasing titles until the hardware manufacturers decide a needed firmware upgrade is a priority? No thanks.

If that were the case F4ROTSS and TDAT still wouldn't be released and FOX would be taking more heat for delaying titles.

Papi4baby · 10-21-2007, 03:45 AM

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Originally Posted by WickyWoo

It's also impossible, not to mention completely impractical.

When the player sees the firmware file on the disc, it automatically reboots and goes into upgrade mode. You'd never be able to play a disc

And asking for gigabyte upon gigabyte on every disc to be wasted on firmware updates, updates which BTW will be completely out of date by the time the disc actually gets in your hands, updates that usually aren't started until said disc is finished anyway.

Instead, deal with it, spend 5 minutes downloading it, and 15 cents on a CD.

2.0 players will update over the net no fuss no muss. 2 years from now that'll be all they make.

I'll tell you what's impractical. A new adopter buys a new BD player and a new movie, and it doesn't work. So what happens he assumes that it is junk technology. And why this didn't happen with DVD. Think about it from that point of view.
Once again this is temporary while 2.0 comes online. I dont care whose faults it is that the movie doesn't work, do you think the average guy will care of understand that????? This is only hurting the masses adoption Blu ray or any new technology for that matter.
I am dealing with it, is the ones that dont have the patience and time to jump thruh hoops to find a fix that wont, and will end up hurting the bottom line.
Once again, i got a PS3 for a reason, wireless built-in, auto FW updates and i have had no issues with it.

So here it goes, i can't believe im saying this, but at least HDDVD got it right by putting a ethernet port on their players from the begining

WickyWoo · 10-21-2007, 03:57 AM

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I'll tell you what's impractical. A new adopter buys a new BD player and a new movie, and it doesn't work. So what happens he assumes that it is junk technology. And why this didn't happen with DVD. Think about it from that point of view.

But you did have to go through it with DVD, and by the time Joe Six-Pack is buying Blu firmware updates will be a rare beast. That's also why in my Blu player there's a huge orange sheet of paper that says "upgrade the firmware", and in many Blus there's a sheet that says "upgrade the firmware"

And as I said, by the time J6P buys Blu-Ray the vast majority WILL have Ethernet ports.

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I am dealing with it, is the ones that dont have the patience and time to jump thruh hoops to find a fix that wont, and will end up hurting the bottom line.

I'm sorry, anyone can do it that has a computer, or a friend with a computer, or pay a neighborhood kid $5, or a telephone to call your CE. What hoops? Visit website, download, burn. It's like 3 clicks.

Papi4baby · 10-21-2007, 05:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WickyWoo

But you did have to go through it with DVD, and by the time Joe Six-Pack is buying Blu firmware updates will be a rare beast. That's also why in my Blu player there's a huge orange sheet of paper that says "upgrade the firmware", and in many Blus there's a sheet that says "upgrade the firmware"

And as I said, by the time J6P buys Blu-Ray the vast majority WILL have Ethernet ports.

I'm sorry, anyone can do it that has a computer, or a friend with a computer, or pay a neighborhood kid $5, or a telephone to call your CE. What hoops? Visit website, download, burn. It's like 3 clicks.

Yes it was with DVD too, but nothing like this, i know is a new technology. Like i said before i understand that.

And i agree with you, is simple anyone can do it. I am just thinking of way that it can be simply easier for the consumer. I just dont want future blu ray owners that are not too tech savy to get discourague by this issue that's all.

P.S. If by tomorrow the reaction is the same i'll delete the thread, since i guess not everyone sees my point.

BStecke · 10-21-2007, 05:47 AM

With the results of the poll, I think a title change is in order . . .

GasCat · 10-21-2007, 05:57 AM

When F/W is not applied correctly it can make the device inoperable. I have no doubt that this would happen and people will blame the movie. In short, no it will never go

Hardware manufacturers should provide disks for their customers if the FW is important. It's up to them, not the studios.

Papi4baby · 10-21-2007, 06:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BStecke

With the results of the poll, I think a title change is in order . . .

I know.

Anthony P · 10-21-2007, 02:27 PM

not
1) there are too many players out there (do you want a FW for each player out there taking valuable place what are there now 2 Samy, 3Sony, 2 pany, 1 Pioneer, LG + the already announced players, don't forget with your plan you will always need the latest FW on every title, if you skipped X then you did not get the FW that came with it so the next title will need it)

2) it will drastically delay titles. New FW came out, remaster the title and rerun production with the new FW, this FW on player Y is buggy with X wait for the new FW to come out that fixes bug with X so even though there are few people with player Y everyone needs to wait.

3) why would I want my precious space to be taken up on all movies with something that is not useful to it.

4) why would I want a longer boot up because now it does a FW check before it even starts.

View Poll Results: Do you want FW on the movie disc.
Yes FW should come for all players on the disc.	30	32.61%
No FW should be offered online.	62	67.39%
Voters: 92. You may not vote on this poll

10-21-2007, 12:29 AM	#1
Papi4baby Special Member Member since:Aug 2007 Location:That man from Nantucket Blu-ray collection:32	BDs manufactured with firmware updates? Instead of those nice flyers inside the movies informing that a firmware might e required, start putting them on the disc, and have the player auto load them. Thank you. If you think this is a good idea or not, please cast your vote. Last edited by Papi4baby; 10-21-2007 at 06:01 AM. Reason: poll results

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10-21-2007, 12:33 AM	#2
jaymzbo Expert Member Member since:Apr 2007 Location:NW FL Blu-ray collection:311 Trading Score:1	I guess I assumed d/ling FW updates were just part of the territory that goes with owning High-Def electronics and would be happy with either it being on the disc or downloading it as I always have; did not know there was a demand to have it on the disc edit: would vote for does not matter to me; either way is cool

10-21-2007, 12:41 AM	#3
Bruuce Senior Member Member since:Dec 2006	This is a short term solution. As companies come out with more models, and also if/when companies come out with budget Blu-ray players (ie. wal-mart players), then they will only be able to put so many firmwares on the disc. Eventually there will have to be a standard like DVD so that firmware upgrades will be unneccessary and all players will be able to play all movies. I dunno when that will happen, but I'm sure the BDA have that kind of permanent fix in mind.

10-21-2007, 12:44 AM	#4
whippersnapper Special Member Member since:Jan 2007	I'd just as soon save space on the disc for the actual movies. Exactly how many firmware updates would have to be included for all the different CE manufacturers. No offense, but I think this is a "solution" for a problem that doesn't really exist.

10-21-2007, 12:47 AM	#5
foots Expert Member Member since:May 2007 Blu-ray collection:98 Trading Score:17	Over time this is not plausible... it may not even be plausible already (I think paidgeek already commented on this). As time goes on the number of different players will multiply. For instance look at the number of different DVD players there are in the world today. Each different model would most likely have its own firmware. It would take forever to coordinate with all of the CE manufaturers to put the newest firmware for each model on one disc. Putting PS3 updates on PS3 games make sense because there is only one firmware at any given time. What you propose would be a nightmare.

10-21-2007, 01:06 AM	#6
Robmx Active Member Member since:Aug 2007 Location:Niagara, Ontario, Canada	Not too sure how difficult it is for others to get updates but I have no problem updating the PS3 through system update. I think it would be ok to put a note in the disc saying it might require a update and list the websites for each company that has players..... Update the list as we go along for the ride.....

10-21-2007, 01:20 AM	#7
Papi4baby Special Member Member since:Aug 2007 Location:That man from Nantucket Blu-ray collection:32	Guys this is only until BD2.0 comes online with online updating. I dont understand how you guys dont agree with this. Yes we know how to do the FW update, but what about J6P that just want's to open his movie and watch it!!!. Let's say that a FW is 50MB. Let's say Sony has 4 players, that's 200MB for Sony's FW. Let's say the same for Samsung and Panasonic, that would make it 600MB total for FW updated, you guys are telling me we can't afford 600MB out of 50GB P.S. The FW upgrades should only be put on the disc for the players tha needed for the specific movie.

10-21-2007, 01:27 AM	#9
WickyWoo Blu-ray Champion Member since:May 2007 Trading Score:2	It's also impossible, not to mention completely impractical. When the player sees the firmware file on the disc, it automatically reboots and goes into upgrade mode. You'd never be able to play a disc And asking for gigabyte upon gigabyte on every disc to be wasted on firmware updates, updates which BTW will be completely out of date by the time the disc actually gets in your hands, updates that usually aren't started until said disc is finished anyway. Instead, deal with it, spend 5 minutes downloading it, and 15 cents on a CD. 2.0 players will update over the net no fuss no muss. 2 years from now that'll be all they make.

10-21-2007, 02:20 AM	#10
dobyblue Super Moderator Top contributor Member since:Jul 2006 Location:Ontario, Canada Home Theater Gallery:71 4K collection:55 Blu-ray collection:655 Blu-ray reviews: 15	I'd rather the studios just worry about their movie and let the hardware people do the firmware upgrades. I fully agree with Fox when they made the statement about FFRSS and Day after Tomorrow playback issues being the fault of the hardware companies.

10-21-2007, 02:24 AM	#11
Robmx Active Member Member since:Aug 2007 Location:Niagara, Ontario, Canada	One question about this...... When u go to watch the BLU say.... 3 years later.... Will it install the update again over top of the newer one you have?

10-21-2007, 05:47 AM	#17
BStecke Blu-ray Knight Member since:Jun 2007 4K collection:182 Blu-ray collection:567 DVD collection:1 Digital collection:1 iTunes collection:1 Blu-ray reviews: 1 Trading Score:6	With the results of the poll, I think a title change is in order . . .

10-21-2007, 05:57 AM	#18
GasCat Special Member Member since:Jan 2007 Blu-ray reviews:1	When F/W is not applied correctly it can make the device inoperable. I have no doubt that this would happen and people will blame the movie. In short, no it will never go Hardware manufacturers should provide disks for their customers if the FW is important. It's up to them, not the studios.

10-21-2007, 02:27 PM	#20
Anthony P Blu-ray Count Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Montreal, Canada	not 1) there are too many players out there (do you want a FW for each player out there taking valuable place what are there now 2 Samy, 3Sony, 2 pany, 1 Pioneer, LG + the already announced players, don't forget with your plan you will always need the latest FW on every title, if you skipped X then you did not get the FW that came with it so the next title will need it) 2) it will drastically delay titles. New FW came out, remaster the title and rerun production with the new FW, this FW on player Y is buggy with X wait for the new FW to come out that fixes bug with X so even though there are few people with player Y everyone needs to wait. 3) why would I want my precious space to be taken up on all movies with something that is not useful to it. 4) why would I want a longer boot up because now it does a FW check before it even starts.

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