HELP: whats the difference between these two pioneers?

[Erman_94]

http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/pro...05&catid=23526

http://www.bestbuy.ca/catalog/prodde...21&catid=23249

besides the obvious is pricing, whats the difference?

thanks

[Erman_94]

i think i may have found the difference...i think only the best buy one is native 1080p...is that right?


the futureshop one is 1365 X 768 whereas the other is 1920 X 1080

[Tyler2106]

The first link is the link to the Pioneer 5080HD which is 720p and the one at best buy is the Pioneer 5010HD which is 1080p...

I had heard that the 5080HD is one of the best tvs out there now...Home Theater Magazine rated it higher then a hand full of 1080p tvs...and other people that I know have that said it has an amazing picture!!!

[keene6132]

Originally Posted by Erman_94

i think i may have found the difference...i think only the best buy one is native 1080p...is that right?

the futureshop one is 1365 X 768 whereas the other is 1920 X 1080

Yes, you are correct, thus the price difference.

Please listen to this bit of advice: If you can find the 720p pioneer (1365 X 768) at a great price then go for it! Contrary to how a lot of people feel on this forum, the diff. between 720p and 1080p just isn't enough to pay a huge price increase for 1080p. As long as your buying a great quality plasma like Pioneer.

[Tyler2106]

Originally Posted by keene6132

Yes, you are correct, thus the price difference.

Please listen to this bit of advice: If you can find the 720p pioneer (1365 X 768) at a great price then go for it! Contrary to how a lot of people feel on this forum, the diff. between 720p and 1080p just isn't enough to pay a huge price increase for 1080p. As long as your buying a great quality plasma like Pioneer.

OMG I thought I would never read this from someone other then me!!! And I second that you should get the 5080HD(720p)...so many people I know absolutely LOVE the tv and think the picture is just AWESOME!!!

[Bruuce]

You know a funny thing happened when I went to my local Best Buy's Magnolia store. They had the Sony XBR5 on display along with a Pioneer Elite Kuro. Supposedly the Kuro had been calibrated. I have to admit, the Sony blew me away but the Kuro left alot to be desired. The kuro did have standard cable displaying but still the picture looked like garbage. My crappy 32" Westinghouse HDTV looked better than the kuro with SDTV. So, would you all say Best Buy lied about it being calibrated or are my eyes just not used to a calibrated TV? My Westy is not calibrated, but it looks good to me. Not too dark, not too bright. Easy on the eyes with color temps etc.

[GreenScar]

Wouldn't the SDTV playing on the Kuro explain it? What was playing on the Sony?

[Bruuce]

Originally Posted by jasonbird

Wouldn't the SDTV playing on the Kuro explain it? What was playing on the Sony?

I can't remember to be honest. I know the Kuro had a sports channel on. Right now I have my TV tuned into FSN right now. Standard cable, not the HD channel. And the colors, while they look a bit washed out, they still look like the appropriate colors. The Kuro looked heavily orange and muddy. Also, it didn't seem to have the brightness turned up. I felt like I had to be sitting in the best spot in the room to see it. And even head on to the TV, it wasn't a good picture.

The Sony might have been displaying an HD source, but the colors were spot on, (imo), for it not being calibrated. It might have been a bit "hot" but it was tolerable. I just couldn't believe that the kuro was calibrated. I imagine SDTV would look tolerable on that set.

[GreenScar]

Does kinda sound like it had been 'played' with, but maybe by someone that didn't know what they were doing. The only outstanding picture I've seen at a Best Buy thus far has been from their Blu-ray set ups.

[Bruuce]

Originally Posted by jasonbird

Does kinda sound like it had been 'played' with, but maybe by someone that didn't know what they were doing. The only outstanding picture I've seen at a Best Buy thus far has been from their Blu-ray set ups.

I may go back and ask the sales guy to put on a Blu-ray with the Kuro. I want to see an even better picture than the Sony if possible.

[turboLAZER]

Originally Posted by Bruuce

I can't remember to be honest. I know the Kuro had a sports channel on. Right now I have my TV tuned into FSN right now. Standard cable, not the HD channel. And the colors, while they look a bit washed out, they still look like the appropriate colors. The Kuro looked heavily orange and muddy. Also, it didn't seem to have the brightness turned up. I felt like I had to be sitting in the best spot in the room to see it. And even head on to the TV, it wasn't a good picture.

The Sony might have been displaying an HD source, but the colors were spot on, (imo), for it not being calibrated. It might have been a bit "hot" but it was tolerable. I just couldn't believe that the kuro was calibrated. I imagine SDTV would look tolerable on that set.

standard def on any 1920x1080 tv of any brand or technology(plasma, lcd, rptv) all look awful.

[Bruuce]

Originally Posted by turboLAZER

standard def on any 1920x1080 tv of any brand or technology(plasma, lcd, rptv) all look awful.

But the Kuro I looked at was 1024 x 768.

[darkpoet25]

Originally Posted by turboLAZER

standard def on any 1920x1080 tv of any brand or technology(plasma, lcd, rptv) all look awful.

Not to mention most store set ups aren't exactly optimal for deciding which model to pick out either.

[Tyler2106]

Originally Posted by Bruuce

You know a funny thing happened when I went to my local Best Buy's Magnolia store. They had the Sony XBR5 on display along with a Pioneer Elite Kuro. Supposedly the Kuro had been calibrated. I have to admit, the Sony blew me away but the Kuro left alot to be desired. The kuro did have standard cable displaying but still the picture looked like garbage. My crappy 32" Westinghouse HDTV looked better than the kuro with SDTV. So, would you all say Best Buy lied about it being calibrated or are my eyes just not used to a calibrated TV? My Westy is not calibrated, but it looks good to me. Not too dark, not too bright. Easy on the eyes with color temps etc.

That is not even a fair comparison btw the Kuro and XBR...SD looks bad on any tv and the only reason your 32" may look better is cause it is a lot smaller then the Kuro!!! If the Kuro and XBR had the same stuff on, the Kuro would just as good if not better then the XBR!!!

[dobyblue]

I don't think the 5010 is worth $1,000 more than the 5080.
However, you should be able to get Best Buy's price down to $3,299 on the PDP-5010, at which point it is definitely worth upgrading to the 1080p set.

At 50" and at 6-8ft viewing distance, there is definitely an advantage to the 1080p set if you're using it to watch a lot of Blu-ray discs.

Plus it correctly deinterlaces 1080i to 1080p for HD broadcasts.

If you're sitting 10ft away or more, perhaps go with the 5080.

[btf1980]

Originally Posted by dobyblue

I don't think the 5010 is worth $1,000 more than the 5080.

If you're sitting 10ft away or more, perhaps go with the 5080.

You know, I wouldn't really throw out blanket statements like that. I think it should be on a case by case basis. The 5080 is a fine display, but SDE is still a major issue for me, even at 12 feet out. I wear glasses, so I see everything. It has to be 1080p or bust for me.

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by btf1980

You know, I wouldn't really throw out blanket statements like that. I think it should be on a case by case basis. The 5080 is a fine display, but SDE is still a major issue for me, even at 12 feet out. I wear glasses, so I see everything. It has to be 1080p or bust for me.

Hence the "perhaps"

It is 1080p Pioneer/Panasonic plasma or nothing for me personally.

I'd rather have a 768p PDP-5080FD Kuro though than any non-plasma 1080p set on the market.