A Rant on Using Guns in Movies & TV - Blu-ray Forum

My_Two_Cents · 02-17-2009, 08:12 PM

This has been bugging me for many years, but after what I've seen lately I decided to vent a little here to see if anyone else is annoyed as I. Mods, if this is not in the correct forum, please feel free to move.

Watching Heroes yesterday (DVR from last week, I think), there was a point where Noah had his gun drawn (absolutely ridiculous that "professionals" are armed with bulky, custom-made, competition .45's, but that's a whole 'nother rant) on someone. In order to "make his point", he procedes to cock-back the hammer. Now, anyone who knows anything about guns would immediately laugh at him for pointing what is essentially a useless weapon at someone since the hammer was not already cocked. In another episode, either he or someone else were in a similar situation and then rack the slide before whatever confrontation they were in. C'mon, why would you be walking around in a dangerous situation carrying a gun that is not ready to fire?

Another ridiculous scene was in Lost recently. Sawyer is walking around carrying an M1 Garand. There was a scene where (again, to make a point) he thrusts the gun at someone and works the action. If you know how an M1 operates, this is comical because if the gun were loaded, there was already a round in the chamber. In Heroes last night, one of the black-ops guys fired-off a mag in his M16, swapped-out a new mag and then proceeded to pull back the charging handle to show he was chambering a round. Stupid, because all he needed to do was depress the bolt catch and a round would be chambered.

These are just a few examples that really bug me when I'm watching shows/movies where guns are being used. I guess the directors and technical advisors assume we are all too stupid to see just how comical all of this is. Yes, I understand that it is all done for "effect", but let's try to add a little realism to the situations. Makes me wonder sometimes if these folks even have a clue as to how the weapons really operate.

Anyone else notice things like this, or am I just being too picky about something that a very large percentage of the viewing audience would never pick up on?

/rant

McKellars · 02-17-2009, 08:14 PM

I've noticed stuff like it before but I guess it never really bothered me any.

mikejet · 02-17-2009, 08:15 PM

What I hate is that, holding a guy sideways, you would NEVER hit anything. Maybe an innocent bystander but not what you are aiming at.

jkwest · 02-17-2009, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by mikejet

What I hate is that, holding a guy sideways, you would NEVER hit anything. Maybe an innocent bystander but not what you are aiming at.

pretty strong, aren't you, mike?

amtctt · 02-17-2009, 08:18 PM

it's all part of the drama. it's like tracing phones in movies...you can generally trace a phone call almost instantly, but it's part of the drama and suspense to make a trace last 30 seconds.

VinnAY · 02-17-2009, 08:19 PM

I have to think that most of the things you mention would be for dramatic effect.

Mouse · 02-17-2009, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by amtctt

it's all part of the drama. it's like tracing phones in movies...you can generally trace a phone call almost instantly, but it's part of the drama and suspense to make a trace last 30 seconds.

I agree. It's like the police in movies don't have Caller ID or something. lol

As for guns what bugs me the most is the shotguns. Can't tell you how many times they will pump it but not discharge a shell. One show I counted like 5 pumps and not a single shell ever came out of the gun and he never even shot at anyone as he was just trying to "intemidate" somebody and show he was "serious". please. You shoot the dude in the leg to show them you're serious not continously pump a shotgun to let them know it's not even loaded.

mikejet · 02-17-2009, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by jkwest

pretty strong, aren't you, mike?

LOL didn't notice. Typing too fast cause I want work to be over so I can get SFIV.

CanadianKrazyMods · 02-17-2009, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by mikejet

What I hate is that, holding a guy sideways, you would NEVER hit anything. Maybe an innocent bystander but not what you are aiming at.

but that is so gangsta!! lol

SquidPuppet · 02-17-2009, 08:26 PM

Yes this stuff bugs me. I had a mini-rant on the Band of Brothers thread because the M1 Garands are firing such cool loads that they sounds like a .22's.

And visually, the recoil/shoulder impact do not accurately demonstrate the "hit" delivered from .30-06 ammo.

My_Two_Cents · 02-17-2009, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by SquidPuppet

Yes this stuff bugs me. I had a mini-rant on the Band of Brothers thread because the M1 Garands are firing such cool loads that they sounds like a .22's.

And visually, the recoil/shoulder impact do not accurately demonstrate the "hit" delivered from .30-06 ammo.

I do love sound effect of the clip being ejected after the last round. Pretty accurate.

Pelican170 · 02-17-2009, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by CanadianKrazyMods

but that is so gangsta!! lol

You'd be a dead gangsta if your in a gunfight shooting like that!

dadkins · 02-17-2009, 08:32 PM

*Traditional* Double Action maybe?

http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/w...12&isFirearm=Y

While pulling the trigger will cock then fire, you can cock the hammer manually.

caliminius · 02-17-2009, 08:33 PM

I'm thinking you're just too picky. Can't say if I'm typical or not, but large portions of your post might as well have been written in hieroglyphs for as much as I understood. I don't know an "M1" from an "M16" and have no idea why it's ridiculous for someone to be carrying a "custom-made, competition .45"

Maybe you've got a point about walking into a deadly situation without the gun ready to fire is pretty stupid, but the technical aspects are I think going to go over most people's heads (but obviously not gun people's heads).

Of course, I suppose I should mention the deadliest "gun" I've ever fired was a water gun.

My_Two_Cents · 02-17-2009, 08:34 PM

Another thing that really bugs me about older movies is when the folks "throw" the gun out as they fire. Sort of like they are trying fling a bullet out of the gun a-la-Wanted. A good example is in It's a Wonderful Life when Jimmy Stuart runs away from the theater for scaring Mary, and Bert the cop starts shooting at him. I always wait for the gun to fly from his hand as he's doing this (or for him to hit any of the dozens of folks walking around town at the time).

SquidPuppet · 02-17-2009, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Ricshoe

I do love sound effect of the clip being ejected after the last round. Pretty accurate.

They got the "ping" just right.

Its the "pop", instead of .... KABOOM that bugs me

My_Two_Cents · 02-17-2009, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by dadkins

*Traditional* Double Action maybe?

http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/w...12&isFirearm=Y

While pulling the trigger will cock then fire, you can cock the hammer manually.

They're using Infinity .45 IMM pistols. 1911 style .45's are all single action only.

My_Two_Cents · 02-17-2009, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by SquidPuppet

They got the "ping" just right.

Its the "pop", instead of .... KABOOM that bugs me

I've always wondered if the actors use any type of hearing protection when guns are being fired. I always look, but never see any.

Sonny · 02-17-2009, 08:45 PM

I've been a Gun collector , competition shooter for years & I notice EVERY SINGLE screw up , in EVERY SINGLE movie. Oh that sh!t pisses me off!!! I feel you OP.

How about when someone is firing away & on there 2nd-3rd shot the slide locks back yet they fire off another 13 rounds...

I have a million of these examples...

SquidPuppet · 02-17-2009, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Ricshoe

I've always wondered if the actors use any type of hearing protection when guns are being fired. I always look, but never see any.

They may use the customs...in flesh color. I am assuming a lot of those softy rounds wouldnt be that loud. Kinda like plinkin a 22 all day doesnt bug me.

Technical thought. With the super cool loads, is there enough gas to operate the M1? I am going to look into this trivia...I'll report what I find.

02-17-2009, 08:12 PM	#1
My_Two_Cents Blu-ray Knight Top contributor Member since:Dec 2007 Location:Wherever I may roam.... Home Theater Gallery:40 4K collection:35 Blu-ray collection:507 DVD collection:19 Blu-ray reviews: 1 Trading Score:4	A Rant on Using Guns in Movies & TV This has been bugging me for many years, but after what I've seen lately I decided to vent a little here to see if anyone else is annoyed as I. Mods, if this is not in the correct forum, please feel free to move. Watching Heroes yesterday (DVR from last week, I think), there was a point where Noah had his gun drawn (absolutely ridiculous that "professionals" are armed with bulky, custom-made, competition .45's, but that's a whole 'nother rant) on someone. In order to "make his point", he procedes to cock-back the hammer. Now, anyone who knows anything about guns would immediately laugh at him for pointing what is essentially a useless weapon at someone since the hammer was not already cocked. In another episode, either he or someone else were in a similar situation and then rack the slide before whatever confrontation they were in. C'mon, why would you be walking around in a dangerous situation carrying a gun that is not ready to fire? Another ridiculous scene was in Lost recently. Sawyer is walking around carrying an M1 Garand. There was a scene where (again, to make a point) he thrusts the gun at someone and works the action. If you know how an M1 operates, this is comical because if the gun were loaded, there was already a round in the chamber. In Heroes last night, one of the black-ops guys fired-off a mag in his M16, swapped-out a new mag and then proceeded to pull back the charging handle to show he was chambering a round. Stupid, because all he needed to do was depress the bolt catch and a round would be chambered. These are just a few examples that really bug me when I'm watching shows/movies where guns are being used. I guess the directors and technical advisors assume we are all too stupid to see just how comical all of this is. Yes, I understand that it is all done for "effect", but let's try to add a little realism to the situations. Makes me wonder sometimes if these folks even have a clue as to how the weapons really operate. Anyone else notice things like this, or am I just being too picky about something that a very large percentage of the viewing audience would never pick up on? /rant

02-17-2009, 08:32 PM	#13
dadkins Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Jan 2007 Location:Hercules, CA Blu-ray collection:35 Blu-ray reviews:2	Traditional Double Action maybe? http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/w...12&isFirearm=Y While pulling the trigger will cock then fire, you can cock the hammer manually. Last edited by dadkins; 02-17-2009 at 08:35 PM.

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02-17-2009, 08:14 PM	#2
McKellars Senior Member Member since:Nov 2008 Location:Detroit, Michigan Blu-ray collection:24	I've noticed stuff like it before but I guess it never really bothered me any.

02-17-2009, 08:15 PM	#3
mikejet Banned Member since:Sep 2008 Location:Los Angeles, CA Blu-ray reviews:5 Trading Score:29	What I hate is that, holding a guy sideways, you would NEVER hit anything. Maybe an innocent bystander but not what you are aiming at.

02-17-2009, 08:18 PM	#5
amtctt Active Member Member since:Feb 2007 Blu-ray collection:73	it's all part of the drama. it's like tracing phones in movies...you can generally trace a phone call almost instantly, but it's part of the drama and suspense to make a trace last 30 seconds.

02-17-2009, 08:19 PM	#6
VinnAY Banned Member since:Sep 2008 Blu-ray reviews:1	I have to think that most of the things you mention would be for dramatic effect.

02-17-2009, 08:26 PM	#10
SquidPuppet Blu-ray Duke Top contributor Member since:Dec 2007 Location:Club Loop Blu-ray collection:277 Blu-ray reviews:27	Yes this stuff bugs me. I had a mini-rant on the Band of Brothers thread because the M1 Garands are firing such cool loads that they sounds like a .22's. And visually, the recoil/shoulder impact do not accurately demonstrate the "hit" delivered from .30-06 ammo.

02-17-2009, 08:33 PM	#14
caliminius Senior Member Member since:Aug 2007 Location:The Negative Zone Blu-ray collection:84	I'm thinking you're just too picky. Can't say if I'm typical or not, but large portions of your post might as well have been written in hieroglyphs for as much as I understood. I don't know an "M1" from an "M16" and have no idea why it's ridiculous for someone to be carrying a "custom-made, competition .45" Maybe you've got a point about walking into a deadly situation without the gun ready to fire is pretty stupid, but the technical aspects are I think going to go over most people's heads (but obviously not gun people's heads). Of course, I suppose I should mention the deadliest "gun" I've ever fired was a water gun.

02-17-2009, 08:34 PM	#15
My_Two_Cents Blu-ray Knight Top contributor Member since:Dec 2007 Location:Wherever I may roam.... Home Theater Gallery:40 4K collection:35 Blu-ray collection:507 DVD collection:19 Blu-ray reviews: 1 Trading Score:4	Another thing that really bugs me about older movies is when the folks "throw" the gun out as they fire. Sort of like they are trying fling a bullet out of the gun a-la-Wanted. A good example is in It's a Wonderful Life when Jimmy Stuart runs away from the theater for scaring Mary, and Bert the cop starts shooting at him. I always wait for the gun to fly from his hand as he's doing this (or for him to hit any of the dozens of folks walking around town at the time).

02-17-2009, 08:45 PM	#19
Sonny Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Aug 2007 Home Theater Gallery:8 Blu-ray reviews:6 Trading Score:1	I've been a Gun collector , competition shooter for years & I notice EVERY SINGLE screw up , in EVERY SINGLE movie. Oh that sh!t pisses me off!!! I feel you OP. How about when someone is firing away & on there 2nd-3rd shot the slide locks back yet they fire off another 13 rounds... I have a million of these examples...

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