Square is absorbed by Enix, but S-E is 'absorbed' by M$ - Blu-ray Forum

Soulblazer · 06-30-2009, 09:36 AM

Square Enix is the most disappointed company this gen they really drop the ball with all "aiming for West" talk. What happened to all japanese influenced RPGs Squaresoft were the kings of?

Front Mission Evolved is turning into a shitty third person shooter when it was known for it's strategically battle system. This will not sell in Japan!

The Last Remnant used Unreal Engine 3.5 which is using on PC and it doesn't feel that japanese to me more like an half-assed Western PC developing game.

tri-ace is also a disappointing developer so far:
Star Ocean 4 changed the anime feel to a more Western-kind-of-design to appeal to these North American Xbox shooter fans.

Infinite Undiscovery felt it was developed in one week. Easier to develop for? Right! The result speaks for itself.

I didn't know that a company known for AAA RPGs whatever they make have been influenced by MS. And Wada is one of them (can't believe he's an old Squaresoft developer). The thing is he has a big mouth for one. He kinda acts like a PR for microsoft in some of his speeches. He has insulted both ps3 (not knowning what it is) and wii (just a toy).

What happened to "our main platforms are Nintendo's and Sony's platforms"? This is what their fanbase got angry about when Wada turned it's back on Square's biggest fanbase they have built during the years and is now alienated it. To hell with that man! There is no hope at all for S-E and I really hope that Nomura and Kitase leave the company and take their teams with them to join Sony. That would be the best for the quality's sake. I don't see any future inside of S-E's building.

MOONPHASE · 06-30-2009, 09:44 AM

Funny thing is Square has already made a couple of FF games on the Wii but how many games have been on PS3? 1(not including PS1 games on PSN store) and that 1 game Crystal Defenders is just a PSN store game not a single disc game in Japan or America besides FFXIII which won't be till next year. Ever since Wada took over lets just say I've been enjoying the awesome games that Atlus and NIS bring over to America like Persona and Disgaea.

Soulblazer · 06-30-2009, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by MOONPHASE

Ever since Wada took over lets just say I've been enjoying the awesome games that Atlus and NIS bring over to America like Persona and Disgaea.

Wada is an disgrace for the japanese people.
He was very embarrising on Microsoft press conference at E3 in '08. Talked like a slow monkey with broken English and his ass kissing on Microsoft was very clear.

We will never see great RPGs by Square in the near future. Kitase and Nomura deserves a better studio and since Kitase have been pissed on Wada I see the news coming after the FFXIII projects.

talak · 06-30-2009, 10:54 AM

S-E has shot itself in its own foot, and is paying for it. The only saving grace at the moment is FFXIII which is strangely a PS3 exclusive in Japan (maybe they still have a little sense then).

How many developers stay with them in the future? Who knows.
Tri-ace is shying away from them with there next game coming out via Sega so this could be the opening of the flood gates. Only time will tell

Jorge Cordeiro · 06-30-2009, 11:01 AM

there goes my hope for a FF7 remake for ps3....

Poetic · 06-30-2009, 11:07 AM

My dream is that Nomura leaves S-E and Sony gives him his own studio or something to make 1st party RPGs.

MOONPHASE · 06-30-2009, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Jorge Cordeiro

there goes my hope for a FF7 remake for ps3....

Any hope for FFVII remake has been long since passed away

Simplayer · 06-30-2009, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by talak

S-E has shot itself in its own foot

Lol! It's like the meme will never die.

xino · 06-30-2009, 12:31 PM

why follow a stereotype and xenophobic company!?

Soulblazer · 06-30-2009, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by xino

why follow a stereotype and xenophobic company!?

What is that supposed to mean? Square Enix is a crappy company nowadays that have failed many times this gen. Why fix it when it's not broken?

I'm sorry but I don't know what you meant with that. I'm mentioning both Microsoft and Sony in my post.

browinie · 06-30-2009, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Soulblazer

What is that supposed to mean? Square Enix is a crappy company nowadays that have failed many times this gen. Why fix it when it's not broken?

Because they've released exclusives? Yeah okay...

MOONPHASE · 06-30-2009, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by browinie

Because they've released exclusives? Yeah okay...

No because their newest games suck

Soulblazer · 06-30-2009, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by MOONPHASE

No because their newest games suck

Exactly.

Snadinator · 06-30-2009, 01:52 PM

FFXIII won't suck though. I hope they get around to releasing a 3D Dragon Quest like DQVIII on the PS2.

It's more then likely that Infinite Undiscovery and Last Remnant were done by the B teams. Last Remnant isn't actually all that bad, it just runs poorly. Infinite Undiscovery though is just textbook poor design.

Soulblazer · 06-30-2009, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Snadinator

I hope they get around to releasing a 3D Dragon Quest like DQVIII on the PS2.

That won't happen when Dragon Quest X is coming to the Wii and Dragon Quest IX on DS will release on July 11 in Japan.

Get over it, S-E is not what they used to be in the last gen. Squaresoft was even better than S-E. But now that they have gone Western-style Nomura and Kitase should leave the company as fastest as they can.

dk3dknight · 06-30-2009, 02:19 PM

Okay time for dk opinion time..

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Originally Posted by Soulblazer

Square Enix is the most disappointed company this gen they really drop the ball with all "aiming for West" talk. What happened to all japanese influenced RPGs Squaresoft were the kings of?

You know to me square started to drop the ball during the ps1 - ps2 era.

Front Mission Evolved is turning into a shitty third person shooter when it was known for it's strategically battle system. This will not sell in Japan!

I have to disagree with you on this one, if you knew the Front Mission Lineage you would know it has in the past created a spin off called Front Mission Gun Hazzard which was a side scroller.. (SNES)

I see this as just another spin off something to let the devs stretch there legs something to perhaps grab so more interest in the Front Mission Series.

If all you do is make sequals the IP can get stagnated...

The Last Remnant used Unreal Engine 3.5 which is using on PC and it doesn't feel that japanese to me more like an half-assed Western PC developing game.

An engine is just a tool, how you use that tool can be used for good or evil.. If you use it for evil blame the person who used it, not the tool itself.

tri-ace is also a disappointing developer so far:
Star Ocean 4 changed the anime feel to a more Western-kind-of-design to appeal to these North American Xbox shooter fans.

Ill have to take your word for it, I have not at this time played star ocean 4 but would greatly look foward for a chance to play it in the future.

Infinite Undiscovery felt it was developed in one week. Easier to develop for? Right! The result speaks for itself.

As my supervisor likes to use to the ceo of the company.. Shit in, Shit out...

Meaning if you rush the development of a project essentially lower quality work is put in, the finished project will be of low quality. Rushing tends to put a hold on quality and double checking...

I didn't know that a company known for AAA RPGs whatever they make have been influenced by MS. And Wada is one of them (can't believe he's an old Squaresoft developer). The thing is he has a big mouth for one. He kinda acts like a PR for microsoft in some of his speeches. He has insulted both ps3 (not knowning what it is) and wii (just a toy).

You know I believe CEO's tend to be whiny children who seek someone to change there diapers for them...

What happened to "our main platforms are Nintendo's and Sony's platforms"? This is what their fanbase got angry about when Wada turned it's back on Square's biggest fanbase they have built during the years and is now alienated it. To hell with that man! There is no hope at all for S-E and I really hope that Nomura and Kitase leave the company and take their teams with them to join Sony. That would be the best for the quality's sake. I don't see any future inside of S-E's building.

Well im not suprised about Nintendo they went from Nintendo -> Sony after the whole 64 incident but I respect them for sticking up for what they believed in that particular incident.

It seems every generation has equaled less square games I buy ill be honest, psone era I bought many square games and would almost blind buy them, ps2 era that changed.. square was no longer a blind buy but one that had to be evaluated first...

I don't think square has released any ps3 games yet or maybe im wrong... hmm...

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Originally Posted by MOONPHASE

Funny thing is Square has already made a couple of FF games on the Wii but how many games have been on PS3? 1(not including PS1 games on PSN store) and that 1 game Crystal Defenders is just a PSN store game not a single disc game in Japan or America besides FFXIII which won't be till next year. Ever since Wada took over lets just say I've been enjoying the awesome games that Atlus and NIS bring over to America like Persona and Disgaea.

I must admit my obtaining of jrpgs have been very limited as of late..

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Originally Posted by Soulblazer

Wada is an disgrace for the japanese people.
He was very embarrising on Microsoft press conference at E3 in '08. Talked like a slow monkey with broken English and his ass kissing on Microsoft was very clear.

Well that is kind of funny, but maybe less on the broken english as I would expect of anyone who is bi lingual...

We will never see great RPGs by Square in the near future. Kitase and Nomura deserves a better studio and since Kitase have been pissed on Wada I see the news coming after the FFXIII projects.

Perhaps... or maybe a push at the board that might spell disaster for Wada.

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Originally Posted by talak

S-E has shot itself in its own foot, and is paying for it. The only saving grace at the moment is FFXIII which is strangely a PS3 exclusive in Japan (maybe they still have a little sense then).

Dunno I recall many people playing it when I use to play it.. folks at my college were really into FF11 and Counterstrike...

How many developers stay with them in the future? Who knows.
Tri-ace is shying away from them with there next game coming out via Sega so this could be the opening of the flood gates. Only time will tell

Im curious how Tri-Ace feels about this whole thing...

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Originally Posted by Poetic

My dream is that Nomura leaves S-E and Sony gives him his own studio or something to make 1st party RPGs.

Or if Normura becomes the CEO of S-E, which would give him great power..

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Originally Posted by MOONPHASE

Any hope for FFVII remake has been long since passed away

Agreed.

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Originally Posted by browinie

Because they've released exclusives? Yeah okay...

It would be like selling text based adventures to hard core Arcade fps users..

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Originally Posted by MOONPHASE

No because their newest games suck

I think they need to go back to there roots...

GLaDOS · 06-30-2009, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by MOONPHASE

No because their newest games suck

Only the classics remain the classics; the Final Fantasy series wasn't built for next generation consoles.

Mikey

MOONPHASE · 06-30-2009, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by dk3dknight

I don't think square has released any ps3 games yet or maybe im wrong... hmm...
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Like I said only a PSN game not an actual Blu-ray disc game for PS3 and it looks like this

dk3dknight · 06-30-2009, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by MOONPHASE

Like I said only a PSN game not an actual Blu-ray disc game for PS3 and it looks like this

I meant that more of in the states I don't think that has made stateside yet.. I could be wrong thou... cheers.

MOONPHASE · 06-30-2009, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by dk3dknight

I meant that more of in the states I don't think that has made stateside yet.. I could be wrong thou... cheers.

Supposed to but hasn't happened yet. Oh well it has a lot of English in it anyways.

06-30-2009, 09:36 AM	#1
Soulblazer Member Member since:Jun 2009	Square is absorbed by Enix, but S-E is 'absorbed' by M$ Square Enix is the most disappointed company this gen they really drop the ball with all "aiming for West" talk. What happened to all japanese influenced RPGs Squaresoft were the kings of? Front Mission Evolved is turning into a shitty third person shooter when it was known for it's strategically battle system. This will not sell in Japan! The Last Remnant used Unreal Engine 3.5 which is using on PC and it doesn't feel that japanese to me more like an half-assed Western PC developing game. tri-ace is also a disappointing developer so far: Star Ocean 4 changed the anime feel to a more Western-kind-of-design to appeal to these North American Xbox shooter fans. Infinite Undiscovery felt it was developed in one week. Easier to develop for? Right! The result speaks for itself. I didn't know that a company known for AAA RPGs whatever they make have been influenced by MS. And Wada is one of them (can't believe he's an old Squaresoft developer). The thing is he has a big mouth for one. He kinda acts like a PR for microsoft in some of his speeches. He has insulted both ps3 (not knowning what it is) and wii (just a toy). What happened to "our main platforms are Nintendo's and Sony's platforms"? This is what their fanbase got angry about when Wada turned it's back on Square's biggest fanbase they have built during the years and is now alienated it. To hell with that man! There is no hope at all for S-E and I really hope that Nomura and Kitase leave the company and take their teams with them to join Sony. That would be the best for the quality's sake. I don't see any future inside of S-E's building.

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06-30-2009, 09:44 AM	#2
MOONPHASE Blu-ray Duke Top contributor Member since:Jun 2007 Location:California 4K collection:8 Blu-ray collection:520 DVD collection:820 Blu-ray reviews:18 Trading Score:29	Funny thing is Square has already made a couple of FF games on the Wii but how many games have been on PS3? 1(not including PS1 games on PSN store) and that 1 game Crystal Defenders is just a PSN store game not a single disc game in Japan or America besides FFXIII which won't be till next year. Ever since Wada took over lets just say I've been enjoying the awesome games that Atlus and NIS bring over to America like Persona and Disgaea.

06-30-2009, 10:54 AM	#4
talak Active Member Member since:Dec 2008 Location:Middle of no where Blu-ray collection:18	S-E has shot itself in its own foot, and is paying for it. The only saving grace at the moment is FFXIII which is strangely a PS3 exclusive in Japan (maybe they still have a little sense then). How many developers stay with them in the future? Who knows. Tri-ace is shying away from them with there next game coming out via Sega so this could be the opening of the flood gates. Only time will tell

06-30-2009, 11:01 AM	#5
Jorge Cordeiro Active Member Member since:Jan 2008 Location:Paradise	there goes my hope for a FF7 remake for ps3....

06-30-2009, 11:07 AM	#6
Poetic Active Member Member since:Jul 2007	My dream is that Nomura leaves S-E and Sony gives him his own studio or something to make 1st party RPGs.

06-30-2009, 12:31 PM	#9
xino Banned Member since:May 2009 Blu-ray collection:17 Blu-ray reviews:2	why follow a stereotype and xenophobic company!?

06-30-2009, 01:52 PM	#14
Snadinator Member Member since:Jan 2008 Blu-ray collection:21	FFXIII won't suck though. I hope they get around to releasing a 3D Dragon Quest like DQVIII on the PS2. It's more then likely that Infinite Undiscovery and Last Remnant were done by the B teams. Last Remnant isn't actually all that bad, it just runs poorly. Infinite Undiscovery though is just textbook poor design.

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