Pioneer profile 2.0 BLU-RAY player spec sheets(Ideal players for existing kuro owner)

[HDTV1080P]

Pioneer profile 2.0 BLU-RAY player spec sheets (Ideal players for existing kuro owners)


In the past I was not interested in Pioneer BLU-RAY players and purchased other brands of BLU-RAY players instead. I wanted BD-LIVE profile 2.0 support with fast load times and navigation that the other brands offered in 2008. The good news is Pioneer is now only making profile 2.0 BLU-RAY players and have made improvements in load times and navigation.

1. Pioneer Elite BDP-09FD: This is Pioneers top of the line BLU-RAY player that has a list price of $2,200. One can find this player online for under $1,700 with free shipping. http://www.nextag.com/Bdp_-_09FD/search-html?nxtg=777f0a280509-5475124833483F7A If one can wait a few months I am hearing from my source that this player will sell for under $1,435 from some discount mail order companies.
Widescreen Review gave this player a excellent review saying "It's build quality is unmatched by anyone." It includes 4GBs of internal memory for BD-LIVE which is awesome. It has everything from a legacy 480I S-Video jack to full advanced audio decoding with 7.1 analog outputs. What is disappointing is that the navigation and load times are not as fast as the PS3. At this price it would have been ideal to have just as fast or faster load times compared to the PS3. Hopefully future Pioneer BLU-RAY players will support Super Audio CD and DVD-Audio playback. The two HDMI outputs and KURO Link are nice features that this player has.

Pioneer Elite BDP-09FD Widescreen review info
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.php?p=1906019&postcount=1

Pioneer Elite BDP-09FD detailed spec sheet
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/ephox/StaticFiles/PUSA/Files/BDP-09FD.pdf

2. Pioneer Elite BDP-23FD: This is Pioneers cheapest Elite BLU-RAY player that has profile 2.0. Suggested retail price on this player is $599. One of my reliable mail order sources told me that some online dealers plan on selling this player for under $385 in few months. This player has 1 GB of built in memory for BD-LIVE and a rear USB input to add additional memory for storage. Also has a jitter Reduction Circuit. 7.1 analog outputs with advanced audio decoding are standard on this player. The legacy 480I S-Video jack has been removed. Player supports up to 48 bit deep color and has the Kuro link. The Kuro link automatically makes video adjustments for optimal quality when connected to a Pioneer Kuro plasma or A/V receiver. Also the remote control functions will communicate with other Pioneer compatible devices with this link. I am hoping a review comes out soon for this Pioneer player and Kuro link feature, possible it might offer automatic 36 bit deep color up converting when connected to a 9th generation Pioneer kuro. There are no professional reviews yet on this player to see how it compares to other players in terms of picture quality and load times.

Pioneer Elite BDP-23FD detailed spec sheet
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/ephox/StaticFiles/PUSA/Files/BDP-23FD.pdf

3. Pioneer BDP-320: Suggested Retail Price on this player is $399.00. One of my reliable mail order sources informed me that some online dealers plan on selling this player for under $300 in a few months. There currently is no professional review for this model but it appears to be very similar to the BDP-23FD. The advantage of the BDP-23FD compared to the BDP-320 is that cosmetically the BDP-23FD looks better with a better build quality for the case and remote control. The BDP-320 appears to offer most of the features that can be found on the BDP-23FD accept for the lack of a RS-232C interface and jitter reduction circuit. Everything else like the 1GB of built in memory and USB input for extra BD-LIVE storage appears to be the same. 7.1 analog outputs with advanced audio decoding are standard on this player. There are no professional reviews yet on this player to see how it compares to other players in terms of picture quality and load times.

Pioneer BDP-320 detailed spec sheet
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/ephox/StaticFiles/PUSA/Files/BDP-320.pdf

4. Pioneer BDP-120: Suggested Retail Price on this player is $299.00. One of my reliable mail order sources informed me that some online dealers plan on selling this player for around $230 in a few months. Currently there are no professional reviews on this player. This player does not include 1GB of memory built in for BD-LIVE but it does include a 1GB USB flash drive instead. This low cost model does not have the 48 bit Deep Color and does not have 7.1 analog outputs (According to Pioneer email I received it does support 36 bit deep color which is the maximum the 9th generation Kuro can support, current BLU-RAY movies are encoded at 24 bit color). It still offers full advantaged audio decoding over HDMI 1.3. This player has near instantaneous power on (exclusive super fast power on feature only for BDP-120).

Pioneer BDP-120 detailed spec sheet
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/ephox/StaticFiles/PUSA/Files/BDP-120.pdf

[repete66211]

So Pioneer released an inferior product that costs ten times as much as the competition? Those little E L I T E letters on the front of the player must be very expensive.

[Sonny]

Originally Posted by repete66211

So Pioneer released an inferior product that costs ten times as much as the competition? Those little E L I T E letters on the front of the player must be very expensive.

LMAO! I don't know about "inferior" as you put it. Like I said in the 9G thread, the Elite badge doesn't add inches to your d***.

[repete66211]

Originally Posted by Sonny

LMAO! I don't know about "inferior" as you put it. Like I said in the 9G thread, the Elite badge doesn't add inches to your d***.

Inferior doesn't mean "bad"; it's a relative term meaning "less". So I'm not saying the product sucks, I'm saying it doesn't perform as well as its competition. $2,200 for a Blu-ray player? That's a level of nonsense on par with Monster Cables or Pear Cables.

[Sonny]

Originally Posted by repete66211

Inferior doesn't mean "bad"; it's a relative term meaning "less". So I'm not saying the product sucks, I'm saying it doesn't perform as well as its competition. $2,200 for a Blu-ray player? That's a level of nonsense on par with Monster Cables or Pear Cables.

I know what it means, thanks... I'm with you on the crazy price. That's why I said the Elite badge doesn't add "inches" to your ****! Monster cables are down right wrong. The Pio 09 is there top of the line player just like Sony ES, Denon, maz, and a couple others that cost as much as a nice HDTV. Their not "less" , just over price.

[repete66211]

Originally Posted by Sonny

I know what it means, thanks... I'm with you on the crazy price. That's why I said the Elite badge doesn't add "inches" to your ****! Monster cables are down right wrong. The Pio 09 is there top of the line player just like Sony ES, Denon, maz, and a couple others that cost as much as a nice HDTV. Their not "less" , just over price.

I just wanted to clarify because I know there are people who can be very sensitive to Pioneer criticism.

[gekke henkie]

I am not sensitive to any brand-related comment, but please do your research before making these bold statements. The 09 is known and tested/compared by many (over at AVS) as being the best BD-player at the moment. Of course, the defenition of 'best' is based on video- and audio-quality when playing BD's.

Other factors are relatively meaningless in such a defenition. If you talk about John's bang-for-the-buck-player (price), or play-all-my-discs-player (excluding a few formats), or I'm-an-impatient-user-player, or games-are-more-important-player, or etc., the defenition of 'best' or 'inferior' is probably different. But if you do not specify anything else when labeling a BD-player, the focus on VQ/AQ is expected, and therefore, your statements are incorrect IMHO .

[werewuf]

Originally Posted by repete66211

Inferior doesn't mean "bad"; it's a relative term meaning "less". So I'm not saying the product sucks, I'm saying it doesn't perform as well as its competition. $2,200 for a Blu-ray player? That's a level of nonsense on par with Monster Cables or Pear Cables.

Baseless FUD

[HDTV1080P]

As with just about any electronics products over time the price will fall. The list price on the Pioneer BDP-09FD is $2,200. Posted in the original post is a link where one can find the player currently for under $1,700 with free shipping from discount Internet dealers. If one can wait a few months, I am hearing from a reliable source that this player will sell for under $1,435 from some discount mail order companies.

The current list price range of the diffrent Pioneer players is between $299-$2,200, which is a good price range. Some consumers will prefer a $300 or $600 Pioneer player while others that spent $10,000 on a high-end Front Projector would be interested in a $2,200 player. The more choices the better.

[repete66211]

Originally Posted by gekke henkie

I am not sensitive to any brand-related comment, but please do your research before making these bold statements. The 09 is known and tested/compared by many (over at AVS) as being the best BD-player at the moment. Of course, the defenition of 'best' is based on video- and audio-quality when playing BD's.

Other factors are relatively meaningless in such a defenition. If you talk about John's bang-for-the-buck-player (price), or play-all-my-discs-player (excluding a few formats), or I'm-an-impatient-user-player, or games-are-more-important-player, or etc., the defenition of 'best' or 'inferior' is probably different. But if you do not specify anything else when labeling a BD-player, the focus on VQ/AQ is expected, and therefore, your statements are incorrect IMHO .

Allow me to clarify: The loading speed, a factor evaluated in most reviews, is inferior to other products costing 80% less.

I agree that picture quality is the #1 feature in Blu-ray players and I have no doubt this player is very good at providing a fine picture, but it is stupidly overpriced. When you're charging that much for a product you deserve to be ridiculed if your player isn't leading the market in all measurable features. In that respect this player is inferior based on one of the most important measures: value.

I don't care if a guy wants to drop $2,200 (or only $1,700) on a Blu-ray player.. It's a free country, so I wish him the best. But I still haven't been able to reconcile the "elephant in the room": how some people in the a/v market seem to relish--and jealously guard--the experience of being fleeced. (Note: This is not directed at you personally.) I can't comprehend this and should probably just write it off as one of life's mysteries, but I really would like to understand what to me seems like pathological behavior. No offense intended to anyone.

I know, good value to one person isn't to another (especially a cheapskate like me) so I can understand someone wanting something like the new Oppo 83, which is more expensive than most but which also adds (SACD, DVD-A/V) some additional tangible value. I would be very curious to see how the Oppo and the Elite fare in a double-blind test of PQ.

[HDTV1080P]

Pioneer Ships Blu-ray Disc Player Trio (Twice article link)

All of these new BLU-RAY players have built in memory for BD-LIVE accept for the BDP-120 which includes a external 1GB USB stick. It is nice to know that the 3 new Pioneer players will also accept a USB hard drive for BD-LIVE storage. Most brands only support flash memory.


QUOTE

"All three players feature an integrated USB port to make possible further storage capacity with a thumb drive or hard disk for BD-Live entertainment and other applications."
http://www.twice.com/article/CA6663052.html

It is great the BDP-09FD has 4GB of internal memory for BD-LIVE but I was surprised that Pioneer engineers did not design a USB port or SATA jack to add some type of external storage for BD-LIVE on their top of the line player. Once the 4GB is filled up consumers will need to start deleting stuff from the internal memory.

[gekke henkie]

Originally Posted by repete66211

I don't care if a guy wants to drop $2,200 (or only $1,700) on a Blu-ray player.. It's a free country, so I wish him the best. But I still haven't been able to reconcile the "elephant in the room": how some people in the a/v market seem to relish--and jealously guard--the experience of being fleeced. (Note: This is not directed at you personally.) I can't comprehend this and should probably just write it off as one of life's mysteries, but I really would like to understand what to me seems like pathological behavior. No offense intended to anyone.

I know, good value to one person isn't to another (especially a cheapskate like me) so I can understand someone wanting something like the new Oppo 83, which is more expensive than most but which also adds (SACD, DVD-A/V) some additional tangible value. I would be very curious to see how the Oppo and the Elite fare in a double-blind test of PQ.

I largely agree with what you are saying here quoted; my personal believe that is has to do with something called 'a hobby'. If something (whatever) is someones hobby, he/she tends to spend (much) more than anybody else would who's not having the same hobby. The more fanatic he/she is, the more extreme these expenses can become.

This means that 'value' is not a constant (measurable) factor, but a personal balance of two others: benefits versus price. Price is easy, but 'benefits' are subjective and differ from person to person. Therefore, when calling something good or bad, you'd better not step in the trap of referring to 'value' or 'bang-for-the-buck', because these discussions usually lead to nowhere. Instead, it's easier to focus on the measurable objective differences (e.g. build-quality) for discussion purposses (IMHO !).

Secondly, the measurable differences (like quality) versus a 'fixed' price are not lineair. It is a curve where in the beginning every dollar spend will get you a lot more benefits, but the further you go the more you have to spend for a tiny little benefit (sometimes even unnoticable by some). Where you choose to be on that curve depends on: see my first sentence . Like you said, per definition, there is no such thing as better or worse value, that's just a personal opinion.

Just my inflated $0.03

[coolmilo]

I don't know what is meant by "Ideal players for existing kuro owner." Any Blu-ray player is good for existing Kuro owners.

The 09 is a glorious BD player (from what I read/seen). But it's very expensive.

The 23/320 are very similar to the 05/51 in terms of load time, meaning they are very slow. My issue is with Pioneer Support. Unless new firmware was released today, the 09/23/320 does not play the new T2. There was firmware released yesterday for the 05/51 that solves this problem and adds internal DTS-MA.

The Oppo on the other hand plays everything, is fast like the PS3, and works quite well with the Kuro. So far Oppo's support is very responsive, especially when compared to Pio.

[HDTV1080P]

Originally Posted by coolmilo

I don't know what is meant by "Ideal players for existing kuro owner." Any Blu-ray player is good for existing Kuro owners.

The 09 is a glorious BD player (from what I read/seen). But it's very expensive.

The 23/320 are very similar to the 05/51 in terms of load time, meaning they are very slow. My issue is with Pioneer Support. Unless new firmware was released today, the 09/23/320 does not play the new T2. There was firmware released yesterday for the 05/51 that solves this problem and adds internal DTS-MA.

The Oppo on the other hand plays everything, is fast like the PS3, and works quite well with the Kuro. So far Oppo's support is very responsive, especially when compared to Pio.

I currently have another brand of player connected to a KURO. The advantage of the new Pioneer players is the KURO link.
The Kuro link automatically makes video adjustments for optimal quality when connected to a Pioneer Kuro plasma or A/V receiver. Also the remote control functions will communicate with other Pioneer compatible devices with this link.

[TwoTwo]

Originally Posted by HDTV1080P

I currently have another brand of player connected to a KURO. The advantage of the new Pioneer players is the KURO link.
The Kuro link automatically makes video adjustments for optimal quality when connected to a Pioneer Kuro plasma or A/V receiver. Also the remote control functions will communicate with other Pioneer compatible devices with this link.

I'm considering the BDP-23FD since the price has come down. I wonder how much of a video adjustment through the Kuro link that this player provides when connected to a KRP-500M. Also considering that the display has been somewhat calibrated.

[HDTV1080P]

Originally Posted by TwoTwo

I'm considering the BDP-23FD since the price has come down. I wonder how much of a video adjustment through the Kuro link that this player provides when connected to a KRP-500M. Also considering that the display has been somewhat calibrated.

Sorry I do not have an answer for you. I have not read any professional reviews on how good the Kuro link makes automatic optimal adjustments between a Pioneer BLU-RAY player and Pioneer display. Even though I have a Pioneer PRO-141FD and PRO-101FD close to my computer location, I do not own any Pioneer BLU-RAY players. I decided to connect an OPPO BDP-83 to the Pioneer using a 36 bit Deep Color upconvert mode on the OPPO. I really like the quality of up converting 24 bit BLU-RAY's to 36 bit. I wish 48 bit native BLU-RAY movies were available instead of the standard 24 bit. Hopefully one day in the future 100GB+ multi-layer native 48 bit BLU-RAY's will be released with some extension of the format (No official plans yet). The OPPO also supports DVD-Audio and super audio CD's.

The Pioneer BDP-23FD has a good video processor also and supports deep color at up to 48 Bit for use with a high-end Front Projector or future display that supports 48 bit. Existing 9th generation Pioneer plasmas only support up to 36 bit deep color.