Payback (Theatrical+Director's Cut) Germany/UK/Spain - Blu-ray Forum

Rantlers · 05-22-2009, 04:24 AM

Hey, looks like Warner is releasing this in Germany with an english 5.1 Dolby TrueHD track! Check it out:

http://www.bluray-disc.de/blu-ray-fi...g-blu-ray-disc

Also, for those interested in importing, its also being released in the UK on September 21st.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0027UY87W/ref=ord_cart_shr?_encoding=UTF8&m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE

AnimeOnBlu · 05-22-2009, 04:33 AM

I wonder if it will include the theatrical cut?

DigitalfreakNYC · 05-22-2009, 10:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AnimeOnBlu

I wonder if it will include the theatrical cut?

According to the front page, it includes both cuts.

My question is whether they will be two completely separate encodes or if it will be seamless branching.

neo_reloaded · 05-22-2009, 12:41 PM

Considering a) it's WB, and more importantly b), the director's cut is drastically different down to things like color timing and score, I'd definitely guess two separate encodes - no seamless branching.

DigitalfreakNYC · 05-22-2009, 12:58 PM

I'm assuming it will have all the same extras as the US version.

So now the question is: can a BD-50 have 2 different versions of the same movie without seamless branching, WITH lossless audio and all the extras, some (all?) of which are in HD as well?

neo_reloaded · 05-22-2009, 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DigitalfreakNYC

I'm assuming it will have all the same extras as the US version.

So now the question is: can a BD-50 have 2 different versions of the same movie without seamless branching, WITH lossless audio and all the extras, some (all?) of which are in HD as well?

Well I really doubt we'll get many HD extras. But in terms of the two separate encodes, it should be fine. The original version is 1 hour 40 minutes, and the director's cut is 1 hour 30 minutes. ~3 hours on a BD-50 should be fine, especially considering how many movies 1 hour 30 minutes or longer are fit on BD-25s and have lossless audio and look good.

DigitalfreakNYC · 05-22-2009, 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by neo_reloaded

Well I really doubt we'll get many HD extras. But in terms of the two separate encodes, it should be fine. The original version is 1 hour 40 minutes, and the director's cut is 1 hour 30 minutes. ~3 hours on a BD-50 should be fine, especially considering how many movies 1 hour 30 minutes or longer are fit on BD-25s and have lossless audio and look good.

These were the extras on the US version.

Audio commentary by director/writer Brian Helgeland
Extras:"Paybacks Are A *****" -documentary:
- On Location In Chicago (30:00)
- On Set In Los Angeles (19:38)
"Same Story, Different Movie: Creating Payback: The Director’s Cut" -featurette (in 1080p - 28:34 min)
"The Hunter: A Conversation With Author Donald E. Westlake" -featurette (10:47)

Grubert · 05-22-2009, 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DigitalfreakNYC

I'm assuming it will have all the same extras as the US version.

So now the question is: can a BD-50 have 2 different versions of the same movie without seamless branching, WITH lossless audio and all the extras, some (all?) of which are in HD as well?

The Blu-ray came on a single-layer disc (and was MPEG-2). The HD DVD was in AVC and used less than 21 GB, including extras. So yes, I think they can fit the two cuts without compromising the picture any more than is usual at Warner.

DigitalfreakNYC · 05-22-2009, 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grubert

The Blu-ray came on a single-layer disc (and was MPEG-2). The HD DVD was in AVC and used less than 21 GB, including extras. So yes, I think they can fit the two cuts without compromising the picture any more than is usual at Warner.

Touche, my good man!

Grubert · 05-29-2009, 12:02 PM

Cover image and specifications for the Spanish edition here

Two discs and online digital copy
Audio: Dolby TrueHD 5.1 English; Dolby Digital 5.1 English, Spanish (Castilian) and German
Subtitles: English, Spanish, French, Italian, Portuguese, Dutch, Danish, Swedish, Finnish, Norwegian, Korean, Thai, English hearing-impaired, German hearing-impaired

DigitalfreakNYC · 05-29-2009, 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grubert

Cover image and specifications for the Spanish edition here

Two discs and online digital copy
Audio: Dolby TrueHD 5.1 English; Dolby Digital 5.1 English, Spanish (Castilian) and German
Subtitles: English, Spanish, French, Italian, Portuguese, Dutch, Danish, Swedish, Finnish, Norwegian, Korean, Thai, English hearing-impaired, German hearing-impaired

Awesome! Thanks! I'm getting rid of my Paramount disc!

Wilfredo · 05-29-2009, 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grubert

Cover image and specifications for the Spanish edition here

Two discs and online digital copy
Audio: Dolby TrueHD 5.1 English; Dolby Digital 5.1 English, Spanish (Castilian) and German
Subtitles: English, Spanish, French, Italian, Portuguese, Dutch, Danish, Swedish, Finnish, Norwegian, Korean, Thai, English hearing-impaired, German hearing-impaired

The Spanish edition for me.

Grubert · 05-29-2009, 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wilfredo

The Spanish edition for me.

In all likelihood the discs will be the same for Germany, UK and Spain.

Oh I forgot: same extras as the Paramount US edition.

Hugh K. David · 05-29-2009, 01:07 PM

Great news. Looking forward to the UK one.

Fightertown · 05-30-2009, 08:15 AM

The only version for me to have in my collection is the theatrical.

I purchased the 'director's cut' on DVD and was disappointed. So, I gave it to a friend.

HotRats · 05-30-2009, 09:11 AM

This is a must buy for me. I thought the theatrical cut was entertaining but the director's cut is much truer to the 70s retro thriller ambitions particularly with the more ambiguous ending. However both pale compared to Point Blank (Blu Ray issue please), the definitive rendering of the novel The Hunter.

"You're a very bad man, Walker, a very destructive man! Why do you run around doing things like this? "

BallsDeepX · 05-30-2009, 05:07 PM

I will end up grabbing the UK version as soon as it comes out. As long as its region free (/me prays). I have the HD DVD Directors Cut and while entertaining it just doesnt do it for me the way the Theatrical Cut does (its one of my favorite movies). Having both versions on one disc or in a set would be absolutely perfect.

September is a long way off.

Daredevil666 · 05-30-2009, 05:59 PM

I'm surprised there's no french version planned. Pro B, do you have more info ? I couldn't find it listed on amazon france.

pro-bassoonist · 05-30-2009, 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dvdvision

I'm surprised there's no french version planned. Pro B, do you have more info ?

Hello,

There is a Gallic version planned. We don't have a release date for it yet, but the film is grouped together with a number of other pre-announced catalog releases.

Pro-B

Geoff D · 06-03-2009, 11:01 AM

I love both versions of Payback. The theatrical is more of a stylised exploitation flick (I love that swaggering music score) while the DC is a far darker tale.

If the bit about the two cuts is true, I can get rid of the DVD and the HD DVD. Huzzah!

05-22-2009, 04:24 AM	#1
Rantlers Special Member Top contributor Member since:Feb 2008 Location:USA 4K collection:1 Blu-ray collection:114 Trading Score:86	Payback (Theatrical+Director's Cut) Germany/UK/Spain Hey, looks like Warner is releasing this in Germany with an english 5.1 Dolby TrueHD track! Check it out: http://www.bluray-disc.de/blu-ray-fi...g-blu-ray-disc Also, for those interested in importing, its also being released in the UK on September 21st. http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0027UY87W/ref=ord_cart_shr?_encoding=UTF8&m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE Last edited by Rantlers; 05-22-2009 at 04:34 AM.

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05-22-2009, 04:33 AM	#2
AnimeOnBlu Contributor Top contributor Member since:Aug 2007 Location:USA Trading Score:1	I wonder if it will include the theatrical cut?

05-22-2009, 12:41 PM	#4
neo_reloaded Banned Top contributor Member since:Jan 2008 Blu-ray collection:416 Trading Score:72	Considering a) it's WB, and more importantly b), the director's cut is drastically different down to things like color timing and score, I'd definitely guess two separate encodes - no seamless branching.

05-22-2009, 12:58 PM	#5
DigitalfreakNYC Banned Member since:Feb 2008 Location:Astoria, NY Trading Score:9	I'm assuming it will have all the same extras as the US version. So now the question is: can a BD-50 have 2 different versions of the same movie without seamless branching, WITH lossless audio and all the extras, some (all?) of which are in HD as well?

05-29-2009, 12:02 PM	#10
Grubert Blu-ray Guru Top contributor Member since:Jan 2006 Blu-ray collection:573 Blu-ray reviews:2 Trading Score:2	Cover image and specifications for the Spanish edition here Two discs and online digital copy Audio: Dolby TrueHD 5.1 English; Dolby Digital 5.1 English, Spanish (Castilian) and German Subtitles: English, Spanish, French, Italian, Portuguese, Dutch, Danish, Swedish, Finnish, Norwegian, Korean, Thai, English hearing-impaired, German hearing-impaired

05-29-2009, 01:07 PM	#14
Hugh K. David Palisades Tartan Member since:Nov 2008 Location:Buckinghamshire, U.K.	Great news. Looking forward to the UK one.

05-30-2009, 08:15 AM	#15
Fightertown Active Member Member since:Feb 2009 4K collection:12 Blu-ray collection:476 Trading Score:3	The only version for me to have in my collection is the theatrical. I purchased the 'director's cut' on DVD and was disappointed. So, I gave it to a friend.

05-30-2009, 09:11 AM	#16
HotRats Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Mar 2009	This is a must buy for me. I thought the theatrical cut was entertaining but the director's cut is much truer to the 70s retro thriller ambitions particularly with the more ambiguous ending. However both pale compared to Point Blank (Blu Ray issue please), the definitive rendering of the novel The Hunter. "You're a very bad man, Walker, a very destructive man! Why do you run around doing things like this? "

05-30-2009, 05:07 PM	#17
BallsDeepX Active Member Member since:May 2009 Blu-ray collection:210	I will end up grabbing the UK version as soon as it comes out. As long as its region free (/me prays). I have the HD DVD Directors Cut and while entertaining it just doesnt do it for me the way the Theatrical Cut does (its one of my favorite movies). Having both versions on one disc or in a set would be absolutely perfect. September is a long way off.

05-30-2009, 05:59 PM	#18
Daredevil666 Power Member Member since:Feb 2008 Location:Future Earth Blu-ray reviews:1	I'm surprised there's no french version planned. Pro B, do you have more info ? I couldn't find it listed on amazon france.

06-03-2009, 11:01 AM	#20
Geoff D Blu-ray Emperor Top contributor Member since:Feb 2009 Location:Swanage, Engerland 4K collection:1348 Blu-ray collection:2525 Blu-ray reviews: 6 Trading Score:33	I love both versions of Payback. The theatrical is more of a stylised exploitation flick (I love that swaggering music score) while the DC is a far darker tale. If the bit about the two cuts is true, I can get rid of the DVD and the HD DVD. Huzzah!

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