will this work?

[Dieselboy]

If my reciever will bi-amp can I take those two (6+7) channels and use them to run seperate pair of front left and right monitors since my current ones don't have two sets of binding posts to enable me to bi-amp them yet?

[Rob J in WNY]

Originally Posted by Dieselboy

If my reciever will bi-amp can I take those two (6+7) channels and use them to run seperate pair of front left and right monitors since my current ones don't have two sets of binding posts to enable me to bi-amp them yet?

It will most definitely work. Keep in mind which pair of speakers will get the high-pass frequencies and which pair of speakers will get the low-pass frequencies.

Also, just as a precautionary note, make sure that your speakers' impedance ratings don't fall below your receiver's minimum.

Enjoy your bi-amped sound!

[Dieselboy]

K, I don't think I was clear on what I'm trying to do here. I want to hook up a second set of speakers in addition to the current front left and right speakers (I'll probably just stack them on top of each other) so there'd be a total of four speakers, 2 front left and 2 front right. They are the identical bookshelf type speaker with only 1 set of binding posts in the back of each speaker. They're currently being used for my rear surrounds, and I'd like to replace them soon with some different bi-poles. I'm just thinking of doing this till I have the additional funds to replace my front soundstage with some towers. So will the reciever send the same exact signal/soundtrack to each channel or will putting it in 'bi-amp' mode do something different that will cause it to send a different signal to each speaker?

ps- they're all the same 8 ohm speaker and the reciever is a Pioneer Elite-

[crazyBLUE]

Originally Posted by Dieselboy

K, I don't think I was clear on what I'm trying to do here. I want to hook up a second set of speakers in addition to the current front left and right speakers (I'll probably just stack them on top of each other) so there'd be a total of four speakers, 2 front left and 2 front right. They are the identical bookshelf type speaker with only 1 set of binding posts in the back of each speaker. They're currently being used for my rear surrounds, and I'd like to replace them soon with some different bi-poles. I'm just thinking of doing this till I have the additional funds to replace my front soundstage with some towers. So will the reciever send the same exact signal/soundtrack to each channel or will putting it in 'bi-amp' mode do something different that will cause it to send a different signal to each speaker?

ps- they're all the same 8 ohm speaker and the reciever is a Pioneer Elite-

Sense your front sound stage is the most important , I would replace it first then worry about the surrounds .

What you want to do really won't see much of any improvement in your system !

[Dieselboy]

Crazy Blue, the thing is I can replace the rears for less than $400 bux whereas the front soundstage will be well over a grand (seeing that I'd do the center at the same time). You didn't say whether or not it would work though? Also, why wouldn't it be an improvement with an extra 6 1/2" driver and tweeter?

[crazyBLUE]

Originally Posted by Dieselboy

Crazy Blue, the thing is I can replace the rears for less than $400 bux whereas the front soundstage will be well over a grand (seeing that I'd do the center at the same time). You didn't say whether or not it would work though? Also, why wouldn't it be an improvement with an extra 6 1/2" driver and tweeter?

I'm sure it will work , But I have never done that so I would not know how without some research . As far as A difference by adding the extra Driver & tweeter I don't think it will help the front sound stage that much .

IMPO ~ If you can only go so high with funds , I would get your towers , Then The center , Then the surrounds . You already have A hefty looking center .

[Dieselboy]

Well my rear surrounds are my priorty right now because I can tell where the sound is coming from too much- seeing that they're direct radiating style speakers it's not surprising. I want to disguise the source/direction of the rear soundstage a lot more, my front soundstage isn't all that bad at all to me right now, the proposed experiment would just be something free and easy to try when I replace the rear surrounds temporarily. I'm really just trying to find out if anyone on here knows if it would work or not???

[crazyBLUE]

Originally Posted by Dieselboy

Well my rear surrounds are my priorty right now because I can tell where the sound is coming from too much- seeing that they're direct radiating style speakers it's not surprising. I want to disguise the source/direction of the rear soundstage a lot more, my front soundstage isn't all that bad at all to me right now, the proposed experiment would just be something free and easy to try when I replace the rear surrounds temporarily. I'm really just trying to find out if anyone on here knows if it would work or not???

PM Big Daddy With the link to this thread & ask him to give you the answer , He will know if it will work & how to do it ! He will probably see this anyway & respond !

Sorry I couldn't help any further as far as what you are asking !!

[Dieselboy]

I want to hook up a second set of speakers in addition to the current front left and right speakers (I'll probably just stack them on top of each other) so there'd be a total of four speakers, 2 front left and 2 front right. They are the identical bookshelf type speaker with only 1 set of binding posts in the back of each speaker. They're currently being used for my rear surrounds, and I'd like to replace them soon with some different bi-poles. I'm just thinking of doing this till I have the additional funds to replace my front soundstage with some towers. So will the reciever send the same exact signal/soundtrack to each channel or will putting it in 'bi-amp' mode do something different that will cause it to send a different signal to each speaker? It's a 5.1 system and I don't plan on ever using the 6th and 7th channels because of room design restrictions-

ps- they're all the same 8 ohm speaker and the reciever is a Pioneer Elite-

[callas01]

Deisel, what kind of speakers do you have right now?

What are you looking to upgrade to?

[Fors*]

Originally Posted by Dieselboy

I want to hook up a second set of speakers in addition to the current front left and right speakers (I'll probably just stack them on top of each other) so there'd be a total of four speakers, 2 front left and 2 front right. They are the identical bookshelf type speaker with only 1 set of binding posts in the back of each speaker. They're currently being used for my rear surrounds, and I'd like to replace them soon with some different bi-poles. I'm just thinking of doing this till I have the additional funds to replace my front soundstage with some towers. So will the reciever send the same exact signal/soundtrack to each channel or will putting it in 'bi-amp' mode do something different that will cause it to send a different signal to each speaker? It's a 5.1 system and I don't plan on ever using the 6th and 7th channels because of room design restrictions-

ps- they're all the same 8 ohm speaker and the reciever is a Pioneer Elite-

Interesting idea diesel. I have been running it through my heads and I think it will work, but I can't say I am 100% sure. I am positive others can provide bettwer insight than I can though.

Just so I understand you correctly, you want basically one set of speakers to handle the low frequencies and the other set to handle the higher frequencies by setting your Elite in bi-amp mode, right?

[Zman2k2]

I think that's what he's saying forsberg21. Or at least partially. I understood that he wants each speaker to play full range however. I'm not sure that putting the receiver in bi-amp works that way though. I thought that when you bi-amp, the receiver splits the signal into high-and-low for each feed. So you would get the sound that forsberg is talking about, where one speaker would play the highs, and one would play the lows.

[Fors*]

Originally Posted by Zman2k2

I think that's what he's saying forsberg21. Or at least partially. I understood that he wants each speaker to play full range however. I'm not sure that putting the receiver in bi-amp works that way though. I thought that when you bi-amp, the receiver splits the signal into high-and-low for each feed. So you would get the sound that forsberg is talking about, where one speaker would play the highs, and one would play the lows.

Yeah, to go full range, I think you need something that has the Front Highs, like the newer Onkyo's......

[Steve]

Maybe he could make something work using Zone 2??

[Big Daddy]

Originally Posted by Dieselboy

K, I don't think I was clear on what I'm trying to do here. I want to hook up a second set of speakers in addition to the current front left and right speakers (I'll probably just stack them on top of each other) so there'd be a total of four speakers, 2 front left and 2 front right. They are the identical bookshelf type speaker with only 1 set of binding posts in the back of each speaker. They're currently being used for my rear surrounds, and I'd like to replace them soon with some different bi-poles. I'm just thinking of doing this till I have the additional funds to replace my front soundstage with some towers. So will the reciever send the same exact signal/soundtrack to each channel or will putting it in 'bi-amp' mode do something different that will cause it to send a different signal to each speaker?

ps- they're all the same 8 ohm speaker and the reciever is a Pioneer Elite-

Technically, it will work. You have to go to the menu of the receiver and set the back channels for bi-amping. Otherwise, you will hear the surround channels from the two new front speakers.

Practically, your front speakers may sound worse as you will have all sorts of wave interefence and phase cancellation problems. Moreover, you want the front tweeters to be at your listening height.

With a lot of patience and experimentation, you may be able to place the new speakers and adjust them in a way that they may give you acceptable results, but I doubt it very much that it will sound better. If you have the speakers, experiment with them. If you don't have the speakers, don't waste your money.

[Dieselboy]

Thx for the response Big Daddy, yes I do already have the speakers as they're currently my rear surrounds, that's the only reason I'm thinking of trying this since it'll be 'free' so to speak- i'm glad it will technically work, do you think the Elite's mcacc will compensate and adjust it properly??? With the wave cancellation and what not?

Callas01- I'm thinking of going to the axiom QS4's for my new rear bi (actually quad) polar rear surrounds- as for the front soundstage, it's yet to be determined (too far in the future to put serious thought into right now), but I know they'll be floorstanding towers of some variety and a matching center channel to boot-

[callas01]

I ask because if you were going to get bookshelf speakers, then it may have been good to just get those now that you may be able to bi-amp, and then move them to the rear later once you get the fronts..... that was all.

[Big Daddy]

Originally Posted by Dieselboy

Thx for the response Big Daddy, yes I do already have the speakers as they're currently my rear surrounds, that's the only reason I'm thinking of trying this since it'll be 'free' so to speak- i'm glad it will technically work, do you think the Elite's mcacc will compensate and adjust it properly??? With the wave cancellation and what not?

Callas01- I'm thinking of going to the axiom QS4's for my new rear bi (actually quad) polar rear surrounds- as for the front soundstage, it's yet to be determined (too far in the future to put serious thought into right now), but I know they'll be floorstanding towers of some variety and a matching center channel to boot-

No, the wave cancellation has nothing to do with the receiver and their calibration programs can do limited things. In most cases, moving the speakers a few inches will have more of an effect.

[jomari]

Originally Posted by Dieselboy

Thx for the response Big Daddy, yes I do already have the speakers as they're currently my rear surrounds, that's the only reason I'm thinking of trying this since it'll be 'free' so to speak- i'm glad it will technically work, do you think the Elite's mcacc will compensate and adjust it properly??? With the wave cancellation and what not?

Callas01- I'm thinking of going to the axiom QS4's for my new rear bi (actually quad) polar rear surrounds- as for the front soundstage, it's yet to be determined (too far in the future to put serious thought into right now), but I know they'll be floorstanding towers of some variety and a matching center channel to boot-

it really hasnt anything to do with the elites mcaccs programming. i guess i can refer to my favorite post, but as a courtesy to those irritated by it,i will let this one pass.

anyways, its more based on how your speakers where built so to speak.

you have two unidentical drivers, two speakers that were not 'mfeo' and using the qualities of both of their specifications, towards acheiving ONE sound.

imagine having your room filled with three inches of water, having two different sizes of rocks plunged into it at the same time,
- they'd effectively create waves, but vary in size.
- they'd reach a certain point (in this case your water drenched sofa),

the result would be
- with different gaps in between the waves,
- inconsistent arrival points,
- 'wave' cancellations (hahaha! thank you very much, try the veal!)

jomari who needs a cuppa jane.

cause cuppa joe wouldnt sound right.

my next show is thursday at the improv...

i really need my nicotine and caffeine fix.

[callas01]

Jomari, I am glad you can laugh at yourself,....... cause I am laughing at you!

I will here thursday............