Universal to release "flipper combos" on Blu-ray - Blu-ray Forum

DetroitSportsFan · 12-01-2009, 03:44 PM

MrFattBill · 12-01-2009, 03:47 PM

BOOOOOOOOOOOOurns.

Bill

McGarnigal · 12-01-2009, 04:02 PM

Booooooooo hisssssssss... not to Bourne, but to double siders... sure you can get the Bourne boxset, but what about future Universal releases like Jurassic Park, Meet the Parents, Billy Madison, etc...

un4gvn94538 · 12-01-2009, 04:19 PM

i sent a message to universal. i dont like this idea and told them to take notes from disney if they really want to include a dvd for people to use. it seems to me (as i mentioned to them) that most people here dont like this idea and will actually make them think twice before buying a movie rather than make them want to buy which isnt good for business

McGarnigal · 12-01-2009, 04:21 PM

the Blu-Ray Association board should put their foot down below certain standards..

Septimus Prime · 12-01-2009, 06:16 PM

I would be okay with this if the old HD DVD version wasn't so crappy.

I prefer having labels on my discs, though.

RedIsNotBlue · 12-01-2009, 06:34 PM

The idea on paper is good but when it actually comes down to the product there are too many problems. Give it up Universal. I know your intentions are noble but this is pissing off a lot of people that are buying Blu-ray discs right now.

Infrared Sight · 12-01-2009, 07:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedIsNotBlue

The idea on paper is good but when it actually comes down to the product there are too many problems. Give it up Universal. I know your intentions are noble but this is pissing off a lot of people that are buying Blu-ray discs right now.

+1. I have had too many issues with flipper discs on dvd and hd dvd. I will not go through anymore headaches even for my favorite movies. I gave up all Warner releases with no lossless audio and I will give up Universal flipper discs. Screw you Universal until you get it right. No flippers!!

DCSholtis · 12-01-2009, 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Septimus Prime

I would be okay with this if the old HD DVD version wasn't so crappy.

I prefer having labels on my discs, though.

+1 this is the only problem I had with the old HD DVD combos. The lack of labels at times. I hated it when titles were only found on the inner ring in small typeset.

DetroitSportsFan · 12-01-2009, 07:49 PM

When people were complaining about Universal's plans to integrate DVD to previous releases a few weeks ago, some said that it was just a repackaging, and had no impact on other releases. Has your tune changed now? Because it appears that these combo releases will be taking production capacity away from would-be unreleased titles.

Hey Universal, I will not buy these flipper combos.

RedIsNotBlue · 12-01-2009, 08:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DetroitSportsFan

When people were complaining about Universal's plans to integrate DVD to previous releases a few weeks ago, some said that it was just a repackaging, and had no impact on other releases. Has your tune changed now? Because it appears that these combo releases will be taking production capacity away from would-be unreleased titles.

Hey Universal, I will not buy these flipper combos.

My comments still stand. They are just re-packaging those titles they said. This Bourne thing is a whole different conversation. I really have no idea what to make of this. Most people seem to be against this idea so it seems like a dead on arrival strategy. This is completely different than what they are doing with movies like Street Fighter and Jarhead.

Dr.Zoidberg · 12-01-2009, 09:01 PM

So what will they do, produce a blu-ray on one side and DVD on the other and then have to do another blu-ray and dvd on individual discs for the rentals?

Bishop_99 · 12-01-2009, 09:06 PM

Terrible idea.

PeterTHX · 12-01-2009, 09:42 PM

Not to repeat myself but since this a new thread:

This is the email I sent Universal:

Hello:

I recently read Universal Studios, in a plan to expand compatibility, is going to release Blu-ray discs with a DVD side.

I believe it is a bad idea.

The Blu-ray format is a single bonded disc with protection coat, a lot more robust than DVD. This would compromise the design of Blu-ray and make the discs more prone to damage, errors in reading, and other issues. While disc art isn't a dealbreaker, it would be missed. More to the point though: potential compatibility issues would make me wary of purchasing Universal Home Video discs in this format.

It would also lead to a lot of problems on the average consumer, where people would accidentally put the Blu-ray side down on a DVD player. This would lead some people think the disc was defective and having to return/exchange the disc, which in turn costs Universal and the store chains money and time. Another issue is people putting the DVD side down on a Blu-ray player and believing the movie master to be poor, which hurts BD adoption and sales. Why upgrade if there's no quality difference?

My suggestion is to do what FOX, Paramount, and Disney is doing: including the DVD disc separately in the package. This would pretty much allay all the issues outlined above. If Universal wants to include Digital Copy, they can make use the DVD-14 format.

I've been in Home Entertainment now my entire adult life (over 20 years), been there for the birth of DVD and now Blu-ray. It's been my experience that formats like these cause more issues than they are worth in the long term over immediate cost savings. Thank you for your time and consideration.

RedIsNotBlue · 12-01-2009, 09:45 PM

Peter...aren't you considered an insider here? If not I have seen your posts and you seem to at least know what you are talking about. What is your whole take on the situation? I mean how do you see it turning out?

Batman1980 · 12-01-2009, 09:49 PM

I stopped buying flipper discs on DVD, I certainly won't buy flipper blu-rays. Sorry Universal but you will lose me as a customer until you put an end to this.

PeterTHX · 12-01-2009, 09:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedIsNotBlue

Peter...aren't you considered an insider here? If not I have seen your posts and you seem to at least know what you are talking about. What is your whole take on the situation? I mean how do you see it turning out?

Used to be an insider (retired reviewer).

If it's anything like the DVD/HD DVD combo discs, it will be a disaster since it's no longer 100k of consumers making the market, but now millions. I'm surprised they got the process to work.

Structure wise it seems that it's the DualDisc thing all over again. That didn't seem to last very long either. The industry went back to CD/DVD deluxe editions and we lost the PCM 48kHz/5.1 DD mixes the DualDisc offered.

pro-bassoonist · 12-01-2009, 10:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bishop_99

Terrible idea.

Pro-B

Clark Kent · 12-01-2009, 10:20 PM

The executives running Universal must not be that smart. They stuck with HD DVD to the bitter end, and would likely still be releasing HD DVD titles if Toshiba had not given up. This is simply the worst idea in the history of packaged media. I have a guess as to why they are trying to foist this awful idea into the marketplace.

I pray it does not succeed and that the other studios shun this practice. Initial testing of the BD combo was a disaster from what I have read. Initial defect rates were so high that the Blu-ray exclusive studios at the time gave up on the idea without any serious consideration due to projected costs.

supercutz · 12-01-2009, 10:24 PM

NO.NOT.WANT.

12-01-2009, 03:44 PM	#1
DetroitSportsFan Hot Deals Moderator Top contributor Member since:Aug 2007 Location:Michigan 4K collection:439 Blu-ray collection:2226 Trading Score:93	Universal to release "flipper combos" on Blu-ray https://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=3819

12-01-2009, 10:24 PM	#20
supercutz Expert Member Member since:Sep 2008 4K collection:129 Blu-ray collection:2162	ugh... NO.NOT.WANT.

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12-01-2009, 03:47 PM	#2
MrFattBill Blu-ray Ninja Top ranked HT gallery Top contributor Member since:Aug 2009 Location:jO-hio Home Theater Gallery:206 Blu-ray collection:578 Trading Score:5	BOOOOOOOOOOOOurns. Bill

12-01-2009, 04:02 PM	#3
McGarnigal Blu-ray Guru Member since:Oct 2008 4K collection:148 Blu-ray collection:328 Blu-ray reviews: 1 Trading Score:10	Booooooooo hisssssssss... not to Bourne, but to double siders... sure you can get the Bourne boxset, but what about future Universal releases like Jurassic Park, Meet the Parents, Billy Madison, etc...

12-01-2009, 04:19 PM	#4
un4gvn94538 Blu-ray Knight Top contributor Member since:Dec 2007 Location:Limbo (Bakersfield, Ca.) 4K collection:143 Blu-ray collection:811 DVD collection:54 Digital collection:1494 Trading Score:277	i sent a message to universal. i dont like this idea and told them to take notes from disney if they really want to include a dvd for people to use. it seems to me (as i mentioned to them) that most people here dont like this idea and will actually make them think twice before buying a movie rather than make them want to buy which isnt good for business

12-01-2009, 04:21 PM	#5
McGarnigal Blu-ray Guru Member since:Oct 2008 4K collection:148 Blu-ray collection:328 Blu-ray reviews: 1 Trading Score:10	the Blu-Ray Association board should put their foot down below certain standards..

12-01-2009, 06:16 PM	#6
Septimus Prime Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Jan 2008 Blu-ray collection:164 Trading Score:2	I would be okay with this if the old HD DVD version wasn't so crappy. I prefer having labels on my discs, though.

12-01-2009, 06:34 PM	#7
RedIsNotBlue Blu-ray Ninja Member since:May 2007 Blu-ray collection:503 Digital collection:10 Trading Score:226	The idea on paper is good but when it actually comes down to the product there are too many problems. Give it up Universal. I know your intentions are noble but this is pissing off a lot of people that are buying Blu-ray discs right now.

12-01-2009, 07:49 PM	#10
DetroitSportsFan Hot Deals Moderator Top contributor Member since:Aug 2007 Location:Michigan 4K collection:439 Blu-ray collection:2226 Trading Score:93	When people were complaining about Universal's plans to integrate DVD to previous releases a few weeks ago, some said that it was just a repackaging, and had no impact on other releases. Has your tune changed now? Because it appears that these combo releases will be taking production capacity away from would-be unreleased titles. Hey Universal, I will not buy these flipper combos.

12-01-2009, 09:01 PM	#12
Dr.Zoidberg Senior Member Member since:Apr 2009 Blu-ray collection:41 Trading Score:3	So what will they do, produce a blu-ray on one side and DVD on the other and then have to do another blu-ray and dvd on individual discs for the rentals?

12-01-2009, 09:06 PM	#13
Bishop_99 Blu-ray Guru Member since:Mar 2009 Location:Hialeah, Fl 4K collection:248 Blu-ray collection:580 DVD collection:28 Blu-ray reviews:2 Trading Score:18	Terrible idea.

12-01-2009, 09:42 PM	#14
PeterTHX Banned Top contributor Member since:Sep 2006 Blu-ray collection:563 Trading Score:14	Not to repeat myself but since this a new thread: This is the email I sent Universal: Hello: I recently read Universal Studios, in a plan to expand compatibility, is going to release Blu-ray discs with a DVD side. I believe it is a bad idea. The Blu-ray format is a single bonded disc with protection coat, a lot more robust than DVD. This would compromise the design of Blu-ray and make the discs more prone to damage, errors in reading, and other issues. While disc art isn't a dealbreaker, it would be missed. More to the point though: potential compatibility issues would make me wary of purchasing Universal Home Video discs in this format. It would also lead to a lot of problems on the average consumer, where people would accidentally put the Blu-ray side down on a DVD player. This would lead some people think the disc was defective and having to return/exchange the disc, which in turn costs Universal and the store chains money and time. Another issue is people putting the DVD side down on a Blu-ray player and believing the movie master to be poor, which hurts BD adoption and sales. Why upgrade if there's no quality difference? My suggestion is to do what FOX, Paramount, and Disney is doing: including the DVD disc separately in the package. This would pretty much allay all the issues outlined above. If Universal wants to include Digital Copy, they can make use the DVD-14 format. I've been in Home Entertainment now my entire adult life (over 20 years), been there for the birth of DVD and now Blu-ray. It's been my experience that formats like these cause more issues than they are worth in the long term over immediate cost savings. Thank you for your time and consideration.

12-01-2009, 09:45 PM	#15
RedIsNotBlue Blu-ray Ninja Member since:May 2007 Blu-ray collection:503 Digital collection:10 Trading Score:226	Peter...aren't you considered an insider here? If not I have seen your posts and you seem to at least know what you are talking about. What is your whole take on the situation? I mean how do you see it turning out?

12-01-2009, 09:49 PM	#16
Batman1980 Blu-ray Jedi Member since:Feb 2009 Location:District 13 Home Theater Gallery:8 4K collection:146 Blu-ray collection:394 DVD collection:57 Blu-ray reviews:22 Trading Score:48	I stopped buying flipper discs on DVD, I certainly won't buy flipper blu-rays. Sorry Universal but you will lose me as a customer until you put an end to this.

12-01-2009, 10:20 PM	#19
Clark Kent Blu-ray Prince Top contributor Member since:Oct 2007 Location:Metropolis Blu-ray reviews:2 Trading Score:184	The executives running Universal must not be that smart. They stuck with HD DVD to the bitter end, and would likely still be releasing HD DVD titles if Toshiba had not given up. This is simply the worst idea in the history of packaged media. I have a guess as to why they are trying to foist this awful idea into the marketplace. I pray it does not succeed and that the other studios shun this practice. Initial testing of the BD combo was a disaster from what I have read. Initial defect rates were so high that the Blu-ray exclusive studios at the time gave up on the idea without any serious consideration due to projected costs.

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