Onkyo 05 series better than 06, 07 series.

[saprano]

have you guys noticed the latest receivers from onkyo has dropped in power? they increased the features yes but at what cost?

Take a look at these power ratings of the 806 and 807

http://hometheatermag.com/receivers/...er/index3.html

http://hometheatermag.com/receivers/...er/index4.html

There pretty much the same with 5 channels driven, but look at the massive difference with 7 channels.

And how is the 606 better at 7 channels than the 807?

http://hometheatermag.com/receivers/808onk/index3.html

But neither of those receivers even come close to the beast that was the 805!

http://hometheatermag.com/compactspe...nk/index5.html

You guys see those ratings? wow, thats even better than the pioneer elite SC-07

http://hometheatermag.com/receivers/...er/index4.html

Whoever has the 805, you guys better keep that. that receiver is a classic.

It seems like the 05 onkyos has more power than these newere ones.

[un4gvn94538]

ive noticed that the features of the 706, they actually took some things away while adding others. ive always preferred my 705 to the current models. ive seen nothing that made me want to buy another

[lokir1]

Originally Posted by un4gvn94538

ive noticed that the features of the 706, they actually took some things away while adding others. ive always preferred my 705 to the current models. ive seen nothing that made me want to buy another

DEFINETLY! i have my 705 powering my bedroom setup and noticed the additions in features yet the subtractions in power output and to me the 705 is better than the newer models that replaced it

[kingofgrills]

It's not just Onkyo that has faced this issue. I've seen the same thing happen with Yamaha receivers through the years.

As the companies keep competing on lower price point and increased features, the power supply and amplification sections seem to be what get sacrificed for space and cost savings.

It's a shame. Eventually, I'll use my Yamaha HTR-6080 as a pre/pro and get an external amp.

[Monkey]

My 805 is a monster, plenty of juice and then some

[SlaughterX]

You're just now figuring this out?

[Dathon]

Five channels driven continuously into 8-ohm loads:
0.1% distortion at 105.5 watts
1% distortion at 122.0 watts

Seven channels driven continuously into 8-ohm loads:
0.1% distortion at 29.9 watts
1% distortion at 33.0 watts
These ratings are obviously a mistake and have been brought to peoples attention on AVSforum. A drop from 105W to 29W is an error. Notice that the reviewer never mentioned a lack of power or this drop of wattage in their review. Someone made a typo.

If you go to Onkyo website and look at the "power consumption" rating for each receiver, it will give you an idea about the power capability. The 807 is in middle-ground with 7.8A which is plenty of output. Notice that the 1007 is actually has even more power than the older 805. Notice the poor 707 doesn't gain you anything over the 607.


607 : Power Consumption 5.5 A
707 : Power Consumption 5.9 A
807 : Power Consumption 7.8 A
805 : Power Consumption 9.5 A
1007: Power Consumption 11.6A

[saprano]

Didn't know that was an error, makes sense, that rating seemed way to low.

But my point is some of these newer receivers, not just onkyo, dont offer power like they use to. theres articles about this.

Also dont know if anybody knows this, but if you take your amp rating on the back of your receiver, multiply it by 120, thats volts, that should give you the power consumption of your receiver. then divide the watts by how many channels your using and multiply that by 0.75 and that should tell you how many watts a single speaker can handle.

Im sure its not 100% correct, but it should give you a good idea of what your receiver can handle.


Dathon my 705 has a little more power than that 707, it has 6.2a.

[Sonny]

The only 05 that was better then the new models was the 805 and maybe the 905 too. I had two 905's.... Wish I still had them, or at least one of them. I like my little 706 though & hell it was $480 out the door when CC closed down. It does everything I need and does it well and with pre-outs I can have all the power $$$ can buy adding an amp

[tootall82103]

I picked up a new 805 from CC towards the end of '07 for $550. Also got my Dad a display model 705 shortly after that for just under $400. I don't plan on unloading my 805 any time soon.

[Steve]

It also seems there are more 'problems' with the 606 and 607 than there were with the 605 that require the receivers to be sent in for repair.

[dewd]

I have a 705. If I was looking today, I would get Denon.

[nismo604]

The 805 compared to the following 806/807 models is miles ahead power wise, you would have to look at the 1007 to get the same kind of power and get the goodies added to the 806/807 (Dynamic Eq etc.) The 805 was really an anomaly at it's time, receivers in its price range weighed approx. 30lbs. This bad boy was over 50 lbs, the subsequent follow up 806/807s are now around 30lbs. At the $600 I bought if for it was a steal, I'll be keeping this thing for a while, unless I can cop a 1007 for similar $$$. I hear nothing but good things about the Dynamic Eq, PIIz and DSX.

[HAMP]

I connected my Onkyo 805 to a amp that was 125watts and the 805 put out more power.

I heard from some people that said it should not be that way and they wanted to say something was wrong with my pre-outs from the Onkyo 805.

I also heard from some people that said they did the same thing and the power from the 805 just out performed the amp that was only 125watts.

All I can say is, I heard it for myself and the Onkyo was much better then the amp.

[Dathon]

Originally Posted by nismo604

The 805 compared to the following 806/807 models is miles ahead power wise, you would have to look at the 1007 to get the same kind of power and get the goodies added to the 806/807 (Dynamic Eq etc.) The 805 was really an anomaly at it's time, receivers in its price range weighed approx. 30lbs. This bad boy was over 50 lbs, the subsequent follow up 806/807s are now around 30lbs. At the $600 I bought if for it was a steal, I'll be keeping this thing for a while, unless I can cop a 1007 for similar $$$. I hear nothing but good things about the Dynamic Eq, PIIz and DSX.

The 805 is a beast, but it lacks Dynamic EQ and with only 3 HDMI, it is not enough for me. All of this year's Onkyo's have Dynamic EQ according to the specs (607,707,807,1007,etc). The 807 weighs 39.7 lbs.

There is also an error on the Onkyo 807 web page. "Dual PUSH-PULL Design" is not listed, but in the manual it does state the unit has this feature.

[lojack1976]

If you look at the reviews for the 605, the 606, and the 607 you will see a pattern of decreased power. I've looked over on hometheatermag.com and soundandvision.com to check out lab measurements and make no mistake...Onkyo is giving you less every year.

The 605 tested to output 80watts/channel with all channels driven while the 606 came in at 73watts/channel with all channels driven. Home Theater didn't test the 607 with all channels driven due to the lack of multichannel analog input. They did however test it to output 87.5watts/channel with two channels driven. The 605 on the other hand was tested by Sound and Vision to output 124watts/channel with two channels driven! That's a huge difference coming from the 605 to the 607.

This is also the case with 700 and 800 series receivers. The 805...the beast everyone knows it to be...was replaced with a weaker model in the 806. The power difference wasn't huge, but it was a good deal weaker. Everyone knows there was a huge weight drop with the exclusion of the Burr-Brown DACs and the inclusion of a cheaper power supply.

The crazy thing is that they've brought Burr-Brown DACs back to the 707 and 807 receivers yet they've taken an even further dip in power output with all channels driven. Some people are of the belief that Home Theater posted an incorrect number with all channels driven, but I doubt it very seriously.

Look at the Sound and Vision review of the Yamaha RX-V863 and it too takes a serious dip in power with its multichannel performance. With one channel driven it outputs 77watts with one channel driven...nowhere near its stated 105watts/channel specs. It gets worse...only 45watts/channel with five channels driven and 41watts with six. They didn't even bother to test it with seven channels driven.

Its very evident that entry and mid level receivers are getting weaker every year with Onkyo, and they also have company in Yamaha...and I hate to say...Pioneer. Yup, the non-Elites are going right down the tubes too.

[HAMP]

Originally Posted by lojack1976

Its very evident that entry and mid level receivers are getting weaker every year with Onkyo, and they also have company in Yamaha...and I hate to say...Pioneer. Yup, the non-Elites are going right down the tubes too.

There have been talks of why the lower end AVR's do not have pre-outs, because they would benefit the most with adding an amp. The lower end AVR's didn't have alot of power and they were cheaper to buy.

Having a receiver like the Onkyo 805 and other with about the same power, a person would/should get an amp with atleast double the power to see a real difference and that's something around 200watt or more.

With the information you collected with the power drops, it would seem that getting an amp with double the power is around 125-150watts for mid-level receivers.

It's possible the receiver companies are seeing that people want separates and why waste money on power when money can go into other things to make them better receivers.

I hope I made sense when I type this, because I am very sleepy….. lol

[saprano]

Originally Posted by lojack1976

Its very evident that entry and mid level receivers are getting weaker every year with Onkyo, and they also have company in Yamaha...and I hate to say...Pioneer. Yup, the non-Elites are going right down the tubes too.

Yeah it seems like the elites are not affected by these lower power ratings each year. in fact, the new SC series from pioneer went up 10 watts in power.

Originally Posted by HAMP

There have been talks of why the lower end AVR's do not have pre-outs, because they would benefit the most with adding an amp. The lower end AVR's didn't have alot of power and they were cheaper to buy.

Having a receiver like the Onkyo 805 and other with about the same power, a person would/should get an amp with atleast double the power to see a real difference and that's something around 200watt or more.

With the information you collected with the power drops, it would seem that getting an amp with double the power is around 125-150watts for mid-level receivers.

It's possible the receiver companies are seeing that people want separates and why waste money on power when money can go into other things to make them better receivers.

I hope I made sense when I type this, because I am very sleepy….. lol

Speaking of hearing a difference with watts, yeah these companies are lowering their specs, but honestly we wont even hear a real world difference.

Going from 100 watts to 150 wont really make a difference in sound. you would have to go from 100 to about 300 watts, maby even more.

[Fors*]

Originally Posted by lojack1976

...and I hate to say...Pioneer. Yup, the non-Elites are going right down the tubes too.

I agree, I have seen the non-Elite's lose power as well. This is juts my opinion, but it seems they want to market the non-Elites towards the non-educated consumer who likes to have a lot of "bells and whistles" they can use and see over raw power......

[sarge1976]

I still have my 805, it's now powering my bedroom ht setup. I was thinking about trying to use my extended warranty to get a newer 807 but I may think twice after reading this thread.