Should longer movies be given 1 disk for movies and 1 for extras

[Canada]

With Avatar and Saving Private Ryan getting perfect 5's for video from Blu ray.com and High Def digest, should films with a lot of extras and a long run time allow the first disk to be for video and audio only.

Aliens: Special Edition 154 min 2hrs 34
Das Boot: Directors Cut 209 min 3hrs 29 min
Titanic: 194 min 3hrs 14 min

[DetroitSportsFan]

In a perfect world, yes.

[steelcity24]

I don't think there is a correct answer to this one...

Manufacturers would say no...

Consumers would say yes....


Simple as that really.

[progers13]

Is there a vote for disc only and keep the extras (like Avatar)?

[42041]

Yes. And stop leaving half the disc empty when you're using half of the bitrate the BD spec allows

[DetroitSportsFan]

Originally Posted by 42041

Yes. And stop leaving half the disc empty when you're using half of the bitrate the BD spec allows

[DarkPGR]

I prefer if they come on multiple discs, it just look so much nicer, and allows for use of the highest quality possible =D

[ClaytonMG]

Wether it actually is required or not, I don't think so. However, if they actually do have each film fill up a disc and put the extra's (that aren't like PiP stuff) on a seperate disc, it would probably leave less room for people to question picture quality. They'd look at a disc and if the PQ is poor, they'd probably assume it's more the source than the encode (unless it's VC-1, then they'd just blame the codec of course).

[Daaark]

Filling the disc doesn't necessarily mean better PQ. We have variable bitrates for a reason. Video compression works on frame to frame changes, with the occasional key frame mixed in. 1 second of video in 10 different movies will take up 10 different amounts of space.

A movie with sharp and highly detailed frames like Avatar will need a higher bitrate than other types of movies.

There's no reason to use a super high bitrate just to use it. It's a waste. It should be used on a case to case basis.

[ChuckT43]

In my view as long as the films picture and audio quality is top notch, if possible include the extras on the same disc. This way when I watch the movie I have the extras right there. However if it means fewer extras or lower quality video then a second disc should be added. What bothers me is when they release theatrical or extended cuts only on a BD. I'm pretty sure with most movies both would fit (X-Files, AVP come to mind).

[ryoohki]

The less grain it have, the less noise it have the lower the VBR can be because there's no noise. That's why movies like Avatar and Pixar compressed very well, while Private Ryan doesn't.

But really most movies have a VBR or 22-24mbits, witch peak at 40 when needed..

[Banned User]

Nothing worse than getting a BluRay and it having less extras then the DVD version you already own. Plus it would be nice to have extras in 1080p

Then again I think studios when rereleasing a SE edition should offer a 2 or 3 disc case with just the extras so prior owners can buy it and just put their movies in it. In most cases I won't double dip, but I'd be willing to buy the above granted it wasn't outrageously priced.

[Flea77]

I would say as a general rule, yes. I would rather have maximum PQ and AQ and have the features (which I never look at anyway) on another disc. Now if you can run max PQ & AQ plus the special features on one BD50, then fine.

Allan

[Canada]

Originally Posted by ChuckT43

In my view as long as the films picture and audio quality is top notch, if possible include the extras on the same disc. This way when I watch the movie I have the extras right there. However if it means fewer extras or lower quality video then a second disc should be added. What bothers me is when they release theatrical or extended cuts only on a BD. I'm pretty sure with most movies both would fit (X-Files, AVP come to mind).

I'm not 100% sure how seamless branching works but you do not have to put two, two hour films on a disk there is a way they just insert added scenes into the picture.

If someone could explain how seamless branching works it would be appreciated.

[kdo]

Originally Posted by detroitsportsfan

in a perfect world, yes.

Originally Posted by 42041

yes. And stop leaving half the disc empty when you're using half of the bitrate the bd spec allows

+1

[Sith]

Originally Posted by Banned User

Nothing worse than getting a BluRay and it having less extras then the DVD version you already own. Plus it would be nice to have extras in 1080p

Then again I think studios when rereleasing a SE edition should offer a 2 or 3 disc case with just the extras so prior owners can buy it and just put their movies in it. In most cases I won't double dip, but I'd be willing to buy the above granted it wasn't outrageously priced.

I think most people care more about the quality of the movie itself and if they
have to sacrifice some extra's it's the price you pay for a top notch blu.

I'd rather have pq/aq be as good as possible like Avatar, then have the compress it to much to add extras.

[dcowboy7]

Yep.

[Banned User]

Originally Posted by Sith

I think most people care more about the quality of the movie itself and if they
have to sacrifice some extra's it's the price you pay for a top notch blu.

I'd rather have pq/aq be as good as possible like Avatar, then have the compress it to much to add extras.

Your missing the point of this thread. We are discussing wanting one disc for the movie and one disc for the special features. If the thread has said 'are you willing to sacrifice special features for a better PQ/AQ?' I would agree wholeheartedly.
Of course I'd much rather have the better PQ, but I really do not see why we can't have both a great PQ/AQ and Special features in 1080p and not 480p.

[Jimmy Smith]

Originally Posted by Daaark

Filling the disc doesn't necessarily mean better PQ. We have variable bitrates for a reason. Video compression works on frame to frame changes, with the occasional key frame mixed in. 1 second of video in 10 different movies will take up 10 different amounts of space.

A movie with sharp and highly detailed frames like Avatar will need a higher bitrate than other types of movies.

There's no reason to use a super high bitrate just to use it. It's a waste. It should be used on a case to case basis.

Exactly. Just because a Blu-Ray can support a maximum bitrate of 40 megabytes per second doesn't mean you should. Most of the time its just wasteful. Its hard to say what is the proper bitrate for a movie because every movie is different. 1.33, or 2.35 movies require 25% less bitrate then a full 16:9 movie would take due to some of the frame being wasted with black bars. 3D movies take an average of 50% higher bitrates then a 2D 1080p Blu-Ray movie in order to fill in a second eye view. Action movies generally require higher bitrates then still movies due to faster motion needing more detail to keep the picture stable (anyone who has seen fast action on HD broadcasts breakup knows what Im talking about). So a queit subduded movie like The Godfather would certainly not need the same bitrates as an action blockbuster like Avatar would.

There is nothing fundimentally wrong with high bitrate since they certainly never reduced quality I just depise the mentality of many on this forum that bitrates always equals quality. I can give you several examples of low bit rate transfers that trump high bitrate transfers. Whats most frustrating is how movie studios will sometimes use it as a lame excuse to drop extras and act like they are doing you a favor for it. In reality often time high bitrates are nothing more then a studio saving some cash. Better quality at lower rates requires more work and greater filtration to throw out unessesary useless data. Oftentimes studios not wanting to spend the cash will just crank up the bitrate and call it a day.

[FlipperWasIrish]

Originally Posted by Banned User

Of course I'd much rather have the better PQ, but I really do not see why we can't have both a great PQ/AQ and Special features in 1080p and not 480p.

Why? It's clear as day to me. Because the economics do not support what you desire vs the masses desire of under $20.00 Blu-rays.