Which backlighting kit will give me this amber colour from a Philips Ambilight TVs??

[blurayuser09]

I saw that the Philips Ambilight TVs produce backlight colours that come from the current scene that the TV is showing, including this nice amber colour shown below. What backlighting lights will produce this particular amber/warm colour? I know of the Cyron kits, as well as the Ikea Dioder lights, but I don't know what exact colours they produce.

Here is the colour I'm looking for:


From: http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/25/p...ther-av-wares/

[Alan Brown]

Why do you want an amber backlight?

[Steve]

Amber is not an ideal color for bias lighting. See the following link.

http://www.cinemaquestinc.com/ive.htm

There's also a thread on the topic here on the forum.

https://forum.blu-ray.com/display-th...ifference.html

[blurayuser09]

Originally Posted by Alan Brown

Why do you want an amber backlight?

I just like warm colours. I'm a photographer if that's relevant.

[Steve]

Originally Posted by blurayuser09

I just like warm colours. I'm a photographer if that's relevant.

In the end it's all personal preference. I was just pointing you to the relevant information. After that it's all up to you.

[lifevicarious]

I don't have the Cyron kit (yet anyway) but I have been looking at them for a while. The Ikea Diodes only allow for a handful of colors. I think you would want the bundle with the controller from Cyron. It says it has over 110,000 adjustable colors so I'm sure one of those is close to the color you want.

[Alan Brown]

Originally Posted by blurayuser09

I just like warm colours. I'm a photographer if that's relevant.

What's relevant is whether you intend to use the amber back light while viewing programs on the display (like in the picture of the Philips TV you provided). Add to that whether or not you give top priority to image fidelity, compositional authenticity, and artistic integrity in the video programs you watch. If the first purpose is your plan, it would be destructive of the second. This technical article explains why: "The Importance Of Viewing Environment Conditions In A Reference Display System".

If photography is your profession, you should already be aware of these issues and the ISO specifications for reference viewing conditions in digital photography labs: http://www.creativepro.com/article/t...kes-a-comeback . The Philips 'Ambilight' feature set may appeal to some viewers, and provide some form of enhanced entertainment on some level, but all but the white mode will contaminate the viewer's color perception while viewing video programs. It has not been demonstrated to me that even the white mode is sufficiently correct to fulfill imaging industry recommendations. Most consumers are uninformed of these realities, so they are intrigued by the gimmick that is 'Ambilight' and its imitators.

Had Philips devoted their engineering talent and resources toward actual image quality performance characteristics in their TVs instead of light show gimmickery, who knows, they might have developed a display as good or better than the Pioneer Elite Kuro. Instead, they only have a product that offers less than distinguished picture quality, but a "cool" light show on the side. Would you like fries with that?

Once the fundamentals of what makes for a reference viewing experience become known, most video consumers desire the intended "look" of a program over some distorted version. Video programs lose value the moment they are depicted in a fashion contrary to their intent, if compositional authenticity is considered a measure of quality. It is well known in the imaging professional and scientific communities that surrounding an image with a conflicting color will skew the viewer's perception of the image. The viewer might just as well be watching the program wearing tinted glasses. Some consumers may very well prefer such a method, but most would not when they understand the consequence to image fidelity.

Best regards and beautiful pictures,
Alan Brown, President
CinemaQuest, Inc.
A Lion AV Consultants Affiliate

"Advancing the art and science of electronic imaging"

[Alan Brown]

Originally Posted by Steve

In the end it's all personal preference. I was just pointing you to the relevant information. After that it's all up to you.

This common assertion becomes fallacious when a viewer considers image fidelity to be a dominant component of picture quality. The only way the audience can be assured of enjoying the program as its producer intended, is if the display and viewing conditions match that of the original. Any change in presentation essentially becomes a dilution or distortion.

[Steve]

Alan I agree with the point you're making. All I was saying was that after you've presented the relevant information to someone it's then up to them to make the decision of what to do with it, and that's where personal preference comes into play. You can show all the facts and technical data in the world to someone, and they may still decide to go off and do their own thing. If that's how the OP likes to watch movies, who are we to tell him he has to do it another way?

[Alan Brown]

Originally Posted by Steve

Alan I agree with the point you're making. All I was saying was that after you've presented the relevant information to someone it's then up to them to make the decision of what to do with it, and that's where personal preference comes into play. You can show all the facts and technical data in the world to someone, and they may still decide to go off and do their own thing. If that's how the OP likes to watch movies, who are we to tell him he has to do it another way?

Education can make the difference between personal preference and image fidelity. The only preference that matters in a world of reference standards is that of the program producer. We choose our individual priorities, except when we allow the artist to perform his art. Yes, you may get up and leave, wear tinted glasses, etc., as personal preference. It's just that most video consumers are unaware that the film and video program industries are standardized. The masses are also uneducated as to the availability of image fidelity. They think they are left to guess what their TV picture is supposed to look like, or left to exercise their individual whim or intuition in implementing video equipment without consequence. The resulting consequence is distorted pictures. I tend to think that someone stepping up to acquire a Blu-ray Disc player and devote their time to this forum, will likely be more inclined to value image fidelity and comprehend the principles that underlie it. Education can result in better pictures for someone who would appreciate the value of authentic imaging. A viewer's personal preference has no place in the world of image fidelity and the preservation of artistic intent.

[Steve]

Originally Posted by Alan Brown

Education can make the difference between personal preference and image fidelity. The only preference that matters in a world of reference standards is that of the program producer. We choose our individual priorities, except when we allow the artist to perform his art. Yes, you may get up and leave, wear tinted glasses, etc., as personal preference. It's just that most video consumers are unaware that the film and video program industries are standardized. The masses are also uneducated as to the availability of image fidelity. They think they are left to guess what their TV picture is supposed to look like, or left to exercise their individual whim or intuition in implementing video equipment without consequence. The resulting consequence is distorted pictures. I tend to think that someone stepping up to acquire a Blu-ray Disc player and devote their time to this forum, will likely be more inclined to value image fidelity and comprehend the principles that underlie it. Education can result in better pictures for someone who would appreciate the value of authentic imaging. A viewer's personal preference has no place in the world of image fidelity and the preservation of artistic intent.

Once again, I agree. With everything, except your last statement, that is. Once a viewer is educated with all the facts and understands the benefits of doing it one way over another, or of negative consequences that stem from not doing it this way or that way, it's still up to them what to do with their own system. While I will always strive to point people to the best and most accurate information that can be utilized in setting their system up for the best, most accurate sound and picture possible, I must accept that at the end of the day, it is THEIR system that they spent THEIR hard earned money on, and as such if they choose to deviate from those accepted guidelines then that is THEIR choice.

[Alan Brown]

Context is everything in communication.

[blurayuser09]

Originally Posted by Alan Brown

What's relevant is whether you intend to use the amber back light while viewing programs on the display (like in the picture of the Philips TV you provided). Add to that whether or not you give top priority to image fidelity, compositional authenticity, and artistic integrity in the video programs you watch. If the first purpose is your plan, it would be destructive of the second. This technical article explains why: "The Importance Of Viewing Environment Conditions In A Reference Display System".

Thanks for the info, but I don't take home cinema-watching as seriously as others. When I watch my Kuro 50", I don't always watch in complete darkness. In the evenings I usually have some nearby halogen or fluorescent light on, and during the day, I have the windows open; in both cases, the ambient light is an affront to the "artistic integrity of the video program" I'm watching, but that's ok with me.

When I listen to music on my CD player or on my computer, I like to bump up the treble and the bass, which is an affront to the "artistic integrity" of the musician, but that's also ok with me.

When I take pictures, I like to bump up the saturation and contrast, a style I learned from shooting with Fujichrome Velvia and have continued to use with Photoshop (see image below). The resulting colour has no fidelity to the original scene, but that's ok with me.

[Alan Brown]

Originally Posted by blurayuser09

Thanks for the info, but I don't take home cinema-watching as seriously as others. When I watch my Kuro 50", I don't always watch in complete darkness. In the evenings I usually have some nearby halogen or fluorescent light on, and during the day, I have the windows open; in both cases, the ambient light is an affront to the "artistic integrity of the video program" I'm watching, but that's ok with me.

When I listen to music on my CD player or on my computer, I like to bump up the treble and the bass, which is an affront to the "artistic integrity" of the musician, but that's also ok with me.

When I take pictures, I like to bump up the saturation and contrast, a style I learned from shooting with Fujichrome Velvia and have continued to use with Photoshop (see image below). The resulting colour has no fidelity to the original scene, but that's ok with me.

I'm still not clear about whether or not you are a professional photographer or just a hobbyist.

Casual TV viewing is another matter entirely. As a photographer, I'm inclined to believe you appreciate the subtle nuances of a cinematographer's work in a movie. For more serious viewing sessions of valued programming, does image fidelity matter to you then?

There are no consistent recording venue standards in the music production community.

Movies and dramatic TV programs seldom have as their goal to mimic real life in every regard. Artistic license is exercised by directors, cinematographers and post production colorists in most cases. That's the content creator's prerogative. If your photographic work is to be formally displayed for a public exhibit, who should have preference over how it appears, you as the artist, or each individual viewing it? Would it matter to you what kind of processing decisions were made at the printing lab who enlarges your work? Do you not bother profiling the photo printer in your office/studio to match your monitor? Would it matter to you what kind of lighting would be used to illuminate your work for public exhibition?

Most video consumers don't care much about image fidelity. As a photographer, I thought you would.

[Bizdady]

Originally Posted by blurayuser09

When I take pictures, I like to bump up the saturation and contrast, a style I learned from shooting with Fujichrome Velvia and have continued to use with Photoshop (see image below). The resulting colour has no fidelity to the original scene, but that's ok with me.

Have you tried Photomatix to make HDR images? Pretty nifty tool creates some wicked images.

[Chris7277]

I'm about to buy this for my 58" Samsung plasma.

http://www.ledlightingkit.com/ledstripkitremote.html

Anyone tried this one?
The remote makes it worth $60

[blurayuser09]

Originally Posted by lifevicarious

I don't have the Cyron kit (yet anyway) but I have been looking at them for a while. The Ikea Diodes only allow for a handful of colors. I think you would want the bundle with the controller from Cyron. It says it has over 110,000 adjustable colors so I'm sure one of those is close to the color you want.

Can you post exactly which Cyron bundle that is? They have a lot of kits:
http://cyron.com/Merchant2/merchant....tegory_Code=HT

Is it one of the "PRO Bundle" kits?