Sony to allow HD over component, for now - Blu-ray Forum

zombie · 03-02-2006, 06:41 PM

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Sony Pictures also announced this week that it would not invoke the "Image Constraint Token" or ICT on its initial Blu-ray Disc releases. What is the "Image Constraint Token" or ICT? It's the software instructions that tells the high-definition signal to either pass or not pass via component video. We don't know what the other Hollywood Studios will do. Its heartening to hear that Sony is not turning component video off just yet. Although, the rumor that I heard recently is that component video would be turned by 2010 on all next-generation high-definition disc players and recorders. I hope not.

from www.digitaltvdesignline.com

thunderhawk · 03-02-2006, 06:55 PM

But what about the digital signals, encrypted with AACS?

rhiohki · 03-02-2006, 06:58 PM

Ah yes..i read bout that in another thread and had a smile. Then I pondered the next big question, how long will it last?

rhiohki · 03-02-2006, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by thunderhawk

But what about the digital signals, encrypted with AACS?

As far as the ICT is concerned, with digital inputs/outputs you will be fine. The resolution will not be forced to downresolve. As far as the actual content getting to your display, If you only have a DVI input on your display, and it's not HDCP compliant, you won't be seeing anything. Come to think, I'm not sure if there were even TVs that had ONLY a DVI connector that wasn't HDCP compliant. I know the old Sony 40XBR700 wasn't HDCP compliant. I think that only had component inputs though.

thunderhawk · 03-02-2006, 07:06 PM

As far as I know, there are no HDCP compliant display monitors

rhiohki · 03-02-2006, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by thunderhawk

As far as I know, there are no HDCP compliant display monitors

yes, you are correct. I had been planning to buy a Sony GDM-FW900 CRT monitor some time ago for future HD movie viewing in the computer room, however with doing more research about AACS, HDCP and the big snafu of the video-cards not really being fully HDCP compliant, I decided to hold off. It still is a fantastic monitor for current gaming though if you're into the big CRT old-school style monitors. I'm glad I didn't buy it since I learned from buying my HD set at launch is to always give time for a new tech to settle in and gain some roots.

I did mention that I was going to get the Blu-ray player and movies, but considering we are at the zenith of launch time, I think I just may by the movies instead and wait on the player. Hopefully with the next gen of BD players, it will still accept this new discs to play full HD over component. Who know.....

shiltz · 03-02-2006, 08:05 PM

No HDCP compliant monitors won't matter yet since you won't be watching Blu-ray disks on a computer for a while anyways since you need an HDCP compliant monitor (almost none exist), an HDCP compliant video card (none currently exist), an HDCP compliant O/S (none till nov 06 for windows vista), and likely an HDCP compliant motherboard which I doubt any are either, basicaly watching HD movies on a computer won't be posible till end of 06 begining of 07 at the earliest.

GTP · 03-03-2006, 02:26 AM

What, am I the only one looking forward to the Sony/MGM movies having multi channel uncompressed audio (think dvd-a here) that can be had right off the bat via analog without waiting until next year to buy a flagship receiver or new pre/pro? .....woooo hoooooo

zombie · 03-03-2006, 02:43 AM

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Originally Posted by GTP

What, am I the only one looking forward to the Sony/MGM movies having multi channel uncompressed audio (think dvd-a here) that can be had right off the bat via analog without waiting until next year to buy a flagship receiver or new pre/pro? .....woooo hoooooo

I too am looking forward to the uncompressed 5.1 tracks! Bring 'em on! I look forward to cranking up The Fifth Element in particular.

thunderhawk · 03-03-2006, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by shiltz

No HDCP compliant monitors won't matter yet since you won't be watching Blu-ray disks on a computer for a while anyways

You're forgetting something. Your home-cinema HDTV set will also need HDCP support.

shiltz · 03-03-2006, 01:17 PM

Many HDTV set is HDCP compliant, just computer monitors aren't. Mostly only older HDTV sets that have only component inputs and some DVI sets aren't, I belive any TV with HDMI inputs are as HDCP compliant, haven't seen one that wasn't, my TV which is 1 1/2 years old is HDCP compliant.

thunderhawk · 03-03-2006, 01:54 PM

Well then, you're a lucky man

Here in Belgium, I haven't seen any HDCP compliant TV sets...

shiltz · 03-03-2006, 02:21 PM

Ahh, didn't notice you were in Europe, yeah, they are still behind on releasing HDTV stuff in Europe compaired to the US for some reason.

thunderhawk · 03-03-2006, 03:37 PM

Idd... For some reason...
However, the Coca Cola company always releases new products here in Belgium first, to see if it takes off.

Very wierd indeed.

john_1958 · 03-09-2006, 07:14 PM

Could some one post blu-ray players specification?
because it would be dumb to only have hdmi input and output as i like to hook my computer monitor to watch bd movies that are noncompressed.

hope movie companies never put out fullscreen movies ever again.
and please no more mpeg 2

phloyd · 03-10-2006, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by john_1958

and please no more mpeg 2

You are in for some disappointment on that one.

However, if you can tell what kind of compression is being used on any of these discs by looking at them, they are not good enough.

Cheers!

thunderhawk · 03-10-2006, 10:12 PM

I don't really care about the codec anymore. H.264 High Profile would do great tho

and VC-1 too, if properly configured. As long as the picture is true HD...

03-03-2006, 01:17 PM	#11
shiltz Member Member since:Jan 2006	Many HDTV set is HDCP compliant, just computer monitors aren't. Mostly only older HDTV sets that have only component inputs and some DVI sets aren't, I belive any TV with HDMI inputs are as HDCP compliant, haven't seen one that wasn't, my TV which is 1 1/2 years old is HDCP compliant. Last edited by shiltz; 03-03-2006 at 01:20 PM.

03-09-2006, 07:14 PM	#15
john_1958 Power Member Member since:Mar 2005	hdmi Could some one post blu-ray players specification? because it would be dumb to only have hdmi input and output as i like to hook my computer monitor to watch bd movies that are noncompressed. hope movie companies never put out fullscreen movies ever again. and please no more mpeg 2

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03-02-2006, 06:55 PM	#2
thunderhawk Moderator Member since:Jul 2004 Location:Belgium	But what about the digital signals, encrypted with AACS?

03-02-2006, 06:58 PM	#3
rhiohki Member Member since:Feb 2006	Ah yes..i read bout that in another thread and had a smile. Then I pondered the next big question, how long will it last?

03-02-2006, 07:06 PM	#5
thunderhawk Moderator Member since:Jul 2004 Location:Belgium	As far as I know, there are no HDCP compliant display monitors

03-02-2006, 08:05 PM	#7
shiltz Member Member since:Jan 2006	No HDCP compliant monitors won't matter yet since you won't be watching Blu-ray disks on a computer for a while anyways since you need an HDCP compliant monitor (almost none exist), an HDCP compliant video card (none currently exist), an HDCP compliant O/S (none till nov 06 for windows vista), and likely an HDCP compliant motherboard which I doubt any are either, basicaly watching HD movies on a computer won't be posible till end of 06 begining of 07 at the earliest.

03-03-2006, 02:26 AM	#8
GTP Expert Member Member since:Jan 2006 Trading Score:1	What, am I the only one looking forward to the Sony/MGM movies having multi channel uncompressed audio (think dvd-a here) that can be had right off the bat via analog without waiting until next year to buy a flagship receiver or new pre/pro? .....woooo hoooooo

03-03-2006, 01:54 PM	#12
thunderhawk Moderator Member since:Jul 2004 Location:Belgium	Well then, you're a lucky man Here in Belgium, I haven't seen any HDCP compliant TV sets...

03-03-2006, 02:21 PM	#13
shiltz Member Member since:Jan 2006	Ahh, didn't notice you were in Europe, yeah, they are still behind on releasing HDTV stuff in Europe compaired to the US for some reason.

03-03-2006, 03:37 PM	#14
thunderhawk Moderator Member since:Jul 2004 Location:Belgium	Idd... For some reason... However, the Coca Cola company always releases new products here in Belgium first, to see if it takes off. Very wierd indeed.

03-10-2006, 10:12 PM	#17
thunderhawk Moderator Member since:Jul 2004 Location:Belgium	I don't really care about the codec anymore. H.264 High Profile would do great tho and VC-1 too, if properly configured. As long as the picture is true HD...

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