VHS vs. DVD Paradox

[darkblueme]

This is an actual article from August 24, 2001 comparing the "lies" about DVD vs. the tried and true VHS tape. You may or may not find this article as fascinating as I did, but imagine some of the terms being altered... it's like you're reading an article posted this week from any anti Blu-Ray forum.

Classic!

http://adequacy.org/stories/2001.8.24.112921.289.html

[ranma]

For me, I in fact didn't notice any difference between VHS and DVD, PQ or SQ wise, on my 20" tube TV.

[Sporty]

Gotta love those people. We're already really hearing it now about BD.

I love these the best

Quite frankly, the digital sound that is employed by DVDs and satellite television is dreadful, and the same is largely true of compact discs. They lack the analog warmth that is present in VHS performances and LPs

DVD sound digital, it is compressed digital. Anybody who has ever heard the sound quality of an MP3 file when compared to its original source can tell you that digital compression makes already-bad audio sound even worse. Of course, if the DVD video is compressed, why should the zealots care if the audio is compressed?

Yes, the digital nature of DVD means that the encoded bits will never "wear out", but VHS movies rarely "wear out"

VHS movies have higher-quality special features because there is less room for them

These would make good talking point for HD-DVD die hards, just find and replace.

[GORT]

Now we know were the FUD camp got all the crap they were saying about BLU

[ezcobar411]

So my nightmare about HD DUD returning from the grave with a cassette army is correct. Who would've known

[Marcusarilius]

I'm slipping into the Fifth Dimension! Is that Rod Serling with a smoke over there?

[darkblueme]

Originally Posted by Marcusarilius

I'm slipping into the Fifth Dimension! Is that Rod Serling with a smoke over there?

Ha ha. It sure feels like it, doesn't it.

[U4K61]

Originally Posted by ranma

For me, I in fact didn't notice any difference between VHS and DVD, PQ or SQ wise, on my 20" tube TV.

If your DVD player is connected through the composite, it is reduced to NTSC, so PQ will be a marginal improvement over VHS. You should be using component or 2nd best S-video for your 480i set. Some advice on video connections:

• HDMI FAQ
• Home Thearter Connections (Explained)
• C|NET on $20 HDMI cables:
• Dirt Cheap Monoprice Cables

Another issue is when the sharpness control is set too high. The extra picture detail DVD has just turnes into noise. Wide Screen Review: "In most consumer sets, the correct position is at the lowest setting" - Joe Kane.

If you the above is correct, and the other TV settings are up to par, CK to be sure you are not sitting too far back. Good PQ is a function of Screen Size/Distance/Resolution

[Dragonraine]

Its probably idiots who hooked up their dvd with an rf connector.

[U4K61]

Originally Posted by Dragonraine

Its probably idiots who hooked up their dvd with an rf connector.

Perhaps we can start producing Blu-ray/VCR combo players. It will boost short term sales and we can give a new generation of viewers the chance to watch 1080p reduced to RF video through channels 3 and 4. However, I hope as some say, the DVD/VHS combo player is long-in-the-tooth and we should see and end to thoes in a few years before a nemisis like blu-ray PQ catches on.

[ranma]

Originally Posted by Craig Ruchman

How was your DVD player hooked UP? If it was through the composite, there stood a good chance it looked WORSE then a VCR, because like most tube sets, the sharpness controle was likely cranked way to high from the factory. The extra picture detail DVD had just turned into noise. Few people know how to properaly adjust this control, which should be at or near its lowest setting. But composite is the DUD of connectors - the real proplem is too many people were forgetting the the component and 2nd best S-video connections of the time. To this day, composite is used by defalt because it is the most familiar.

How many 20" cube TVs have component input?

And s-video part, the 4-pin s-video is exact same as composite (2 audio, 1 video, 1 ground). 7-pin s-video(which is same as component) is as rare as component on 20" cube TV.

[LynxFX]

Originally Posted by Dragonraine

Its probably idiots who hooked up their dvd with an rf connector.

Oh man I remember those holiday ad campaigns by Radioshack trying to sell their RF converters to new DVD player owners.

"Got a new DVD player but can't hook it up to your tv? Come on in to Radioshack where you can get a state of the art RF converter box and enjoy your DVD's in the best quality possible."


That article is amazing, especially considering the date. I got into DVD in 98 and the advantages in picture and audio quality were apparent from the beginning. I don't even remember anyone trying to dispute that fact, other than a few Laserdisc folks with legitiment claims to audio with a few of their 1.5Mb DTS tracks. I guess I ran with the HTF crowd so never saw it. My how things have changed.

[MrBogey]

That article is so painful to read. It's like looking back and seeing a John Harvey Kellogg health rant. The twists and factual errors hurt.

[Nismobeach]

Originally Posted by darkblueme

This is an actual article from August 24, 2001 comparing the "lies" about DVD vs. the tried and true VHS tape. You may or may not find this article as fascinating as I did, but imagine some of the terms being altered... it's like you're reading an article posted this week from any anti Blu-Ray forum.

Classic!

http://adequacy.org/stories/2001.8.24.112921.289.html

Thus, since DUDers have a diffcult time seeing the difference in picture quality between upscaled DVD and Blu-ray, (upscaled) VHS = Blu-ray!

It's so OBVIOUS now! We should have skipped DVD, HD-DVD, and Blu-ray and simply purchased VCRs with HDMI outputs!

[Noshame]

i turned to LD in 1992 and from then i almost couldn't watch any vhs anymore (i still own a couple of thousands titles that are not on any other format) then i turned to dvd in 1998 and i agree that some stuff looked bad then, poor compression, poor authoring, bad source materials. But in 2001 already you had state of the art dvds. This is evidentely some journalist that knows nothing about video trying to be cool. The same now with BD, all of you know the incredible pile of s... misinformation that some people is handling around...by the way arcticle is fun to read...in italy we say: jerks' mum is always pregnant...

[CheapChildren]

To be fair this author is crazy, look at some of their other Essays.

One of them appropriately titled "Beating Children Saves Lives".

So hopefully this person isn't serious.

[Teazle]

Originally Posted by MrBogey

The twists and factual errors hurt.

I stopped reading in the first para. of sect. 1 where he gets wrong the resolutions of both PAL and NTSC.

[TheRealBob]

We already went through this before. Adequacy.org is a hoax site. The claims made in this article are a parody. "Debunking" the claims on a hoax site just makes you look silly.

Somebody please close this thread.

[U4K61]

Originally Posted by ranma

How many 20" cube TVs have component input?

And s-video part, the 4-pin s-video is exact same as composite (2 audio, 1 video, 1 ground). 7-pin s-video(which is same as component) is as rare as component on 20" cube TV.

Component video connections are rare for 20" TVs, though I did own a 24" SONY that had them. I noted that his sharpness control is probably set to high.

Composite is where the B&W(Luminance-Y) and color(chrominance-C) signals are combined and reduced to NTSC and must later be seperated by the Y/C or comb filter in the set. S-video, a 4 pin mini din, delivers these as two separate signals, bypassing the limitations of the Y/C filter. No audio is carried by eather composite or S-video.

7 pin din? Never heard of it. I know of 5 pin din, and 6 pin mini dins. These are used for keyboards and mice. If you want to combine audio and video together as RF, see if Radio Shack can help out.

NTSC

• Encoding/Decoding
• NTSC technical Info

[hardcore_canadian]

See, I have to call BS on all This.

Either it's all Hoaxes like stated above, or the guy that wrote this is an idiot, cuz he also wrote this

http://adequacy.org/stories/2001.7.20.193824.148.html