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Canada · 09-11-2007, 06:48 PM

There are a whole littany of reasons why PCM is so prevalent on Blu Ray releases.

1. PCM 5.1 is one of the best of the new encodeing forms for audio quality on Blu. Sorry, HD DVD you don't have enough space, when I think about it I'm not sorry, I'm glad

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2. Everbody with an HDMI receiver or 6 channel analog inputs on there BR player and receiver can decode it in 5.1 surround.

3. I have no idea if this is true or not but you probably don't have to pay anyone licencing fees to use it, since it has been used on CD's since the mid 80's. Plus I almost positive no one own's PCM.

Razzy · 09-11-2007, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Canada

Everbody with an HDMI receiver or 6 channel analog inputs on there BR player and receiver can decode it in 5.1 surround.

I have a receiver with optical and 6 channel analog inputs. Are there PS3 cables that would allow me to use the analog inputs?

CAB · 09-11-2007, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Razzy

I have a receiver with optical and 6 channel analog inputs. Are there PS3 cables that would allow me to use the analog inputs?

There are not 5.1 analog outs on the PS3...

This is a big reason why some people have chosen to go with a BD standalone.

I'm reading that LPCM out over optical is 2-channel only.

Razzy · 09-11-2007, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by CAB

There are not 5.1 analog outs on the PS3...

This is a big reason why some people have chosen to go with a BD standalone.

DAMMIT! Maybe Sony or some third party will come up with something to rectify this. I really don't want to buy an HDMI receiver right now. Too broke.

Iceman_II · 09-11-2007, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by CAB

I'm reading that LPCM out over optical is 2-channel only.

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Canada · 09-11-2007, 07:12 PM

I know Sony could come out with 6 channel analog cabels and I bet I am not the only one who would gladly lay down $ 50 for that. Some of you will say $ 50 for 6 analog cabels what a rip but that's so cheap if you figure a HDMI receiver is a minimum $ 300.

Maybe we should write Sony and suggest they market a $ 50 6 ch analog cable, I can guarantee them it would fly of sheves.

Razzy · 09-11-2007, 07:16 PM

I would be second in line to buy them Canada.....right behind you.

mattym · 09-11-2007, 07:18 PM

whats the audio out on the ps3? if i connect mine to my amp i get lpcm light up followed by all 6 speakers and the sub lights on if i go with optical it says its only 5.1 max..

confused

P3rv3rt B3ar · 09-11-2007, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Canada

I know Sony could come out with 6 channel analog cabels and I bet I am not the only one who would gladly lay down $ 50 for that. Some of you will say $ 50 for 6 analog cabels what a rip but that's so cheap if you figure a HDMI receiver is a minimum $ 300.

Maybe we should write Sony and suggest they market a $ 50 6 ch analog cable, I can guarantee them it would fly of sheves.

id buy one right away!!!!

crackinhedz · 09-11-2007, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by mattym

whats the audio out on the ps3? if i connect mine to my amp i get lpcm light up followed by all 6 speakers and the sub lights on if i go with optical it says its only 5.1 max..

confused

what receiver are you using? and do you use HDMI or just optical for audio?

Optical doent have the ability to support HDCP so it cannot provide use for any of the newer audio codecs...basically you can only get 5.1 (6.1 DD EX) ...

HDMI and multichannel Analog audio connections are the only ways to receive Uncompressed PCM, Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HA MA

gand41f · 09-11-2007, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Canada

I know Sony could come out with 6 channel analog cabels and I bet I am not the only one who would gladly lay down $ 50 for that. Some of you will say $ 50 for 6 analog cabels what a rip but that's so cheap if you figure a HDMI receiver is a minimum $ 300.

Um, without 6 DACs that actually have terminals on the back of the PS3, you can't just make a "cable" do that....

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gandalf

crackinhedz · 09-11-2007, 07:37 PM

I dont know that a Multichannel Analog connection would be possible for the PS3 without physical hardware changes...

but this is not my area of understanding so I may be wrong.

crackinhedz · 09-11-2007, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by gand41f

Um, without 6 DACs that actually have terminals on the back of the PS3, you can't just make a "cable" do that....

enjoy
gandalf

thats what I was thinking. (Sony would have done it by now if they could)

gand41f · 09-11-2007, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by crackinhedz

thats what I was thinking. (Sony would have done it by now if they could)

Well, remember that Sony is also trying to allow other CE manufacturers to sell their players. Remember how long it took them to enable 24p output? They were making sure other players could do it too, so they won't destroy the player market.

Maybe I'm wrong, there are actually 4 more channels coming out on that "AV-multi" (or whatever it's called) quietly waiting for a firmare update to enable them....

ok, probably not
gandalf

Razzy · 09-11-2007, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by gand41f

Maybe I'm wrong, there are actually 4 more channels coming out on that "AV-multi" (or whatever it's called) quietly waiting for a firmare update to enable them....

ok, probably not
gandalf

Way to get my hopes up the crush them ever so quickly.

mattym · 09-11-2007, 08:44 PM

ive got a samsung htas710 6.1 amp, its apparently 1.3 hdmi input, but i dont know exactly what...does dts-es and DD EX or something

haushausman · 09-11-2007, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Razzy

DAMMIT! Maybe Sony or some third party will come up with something to rectify this. I really don't want to buy an HDMI receiver right now. Too broke.

What if you decided to use the Digital Audio Optical Port on the PS3. You get 5.1 then right??

The Guardian · 09-11-2007, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by gand41f

Um, without 6 DACs that actually have terminals on the back of the PS3, you can't just make a "cable" do that....

enjoy
gandalf

It could maybe be done via a USB addon?

Now we're talking more like $100 of course.

I kinda like my receiver though and I don't really want to spend $1000-$1300 on a new one just yet.

reiella · 09-11-2007, 10:40 PM

Stupid joke time and disclaimer.

OMG The people of Canada only have one computer with internet access and they have to share it?!

The Guardian · 09-12-2007, 12:46 AM

It WOULD be funnier if there weren't at least two other canadians posting on this thread hehe.

09-11-2007, 06:48 PM	#1
Canada Blu-ray Archduke Top contributor Member since:Mar 2007 Location:Victoria, BC Home Theater Gallery:17 4K collection:305 Blu-ray collection:1201 DVD collection:37 Blu-ray reviews:42	Canada's take on why PCM is so prevalent on Blu releases There are a whole littany of reasons why PCM is so prevalent on Blu Ray releases. 1. PCM 5.1 is one of the best of the new encodeing forms for audio quality on Blu. Sorry, HD DVD you don't have enough space, when I think about it I'm not sorry, I'm glad . 2. Everbody with an HDMI receiver or 6 channel analog inputs on there BR player and receiver can decode it in 5.1 surround. 3. I have no idea if this is true or not but you probably don't have to pay anyone licencing fees to use it, since it has been used on CD's since the mid 80's. Plus I almost positive no one own's PCM. Last edited by Canada; 09-11-2007 at 06:50 PM.

09-11-2007, 07:12 PM	#6
Canada Blu-ray Archduke Top contributor Member since:Mar 2007 Location:Victoria, BC Home Theater Gallery:17 4K collection:305 Blu-ray collection:1201 DVD collection:37 Blu-ray reviews:42	I know Sony could come out with 6 channel analog cabels and I bet I am not the only one who would gladly lay down $ 50 for that. Some of you will say $ 50 for 6 analog cabels what a rip but that's so cheap if you figure a HDMI receiver is a minimum $ 300. Maybe we should write Sony and suggest they market a $ 50 6 ch analog cable, I can guarantee them it would fly of sheves. Last edited by Canada; 09-11-2007 at 07:14 PM.

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09-11-2007, 07:16 PM	#7
Razzy Special Member Member since:Apr 2007 Location:Canada Blu-ray collection:179 Blu-ray reviews:2	I would be second in line to buy them Canada.....right behind you.

09-11-2007, 07:18 PM	#8
mattym Expert Member Member since:Jun 2007	whats the audio out on the ps3? if i connect mine to my amp i get lpcm light up followed by all 6 speakers and the sub lights on if i go with optical it says its only 5.1 max.. confused

09-11-2007, 07:37 PM	#12
crackinhedz Super Moderator Member since:Feb 2007 Home Theater Gallery:10 Blu-ray reviews:8 Trading Score:19	I dont know that a Multichannel Analog connection would be possible for the PS3 without physical hardware changes... but this is not my area of understanding so I may be wrong.

09-11-2007, 08:44 PM	#16
mattym Expert Member Member since:Jun 2007	ive got a samsung htas710 6.1 amp, its apparently 1.3 hdmi input, but i dont know exactly what...does dts-es and DD EX or something

09-11-2007, 10:40 PM	#19
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09-12-2007, 12:46 AM	#20
The Guardian Expert Member Member since:Aug 2007 Location:Kitchener, ON Blu-ray collection:9 Trading Score:1	It WOULD be funnier if there weren't at least two other canadians posting on this thread hehe.

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