TPB AFK: The Pirate Bay Away from Keyboard (Documentary)

[Jennifer Lawrence Fan]

Don't know if anyone heard about this. I just saw the trailer for it. I know file sharing is a hot topic. And whether you think it should be allowed. And those who are for it, or those are strongly against it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XP01J6vcKQQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ng3k6lv4ITU

I know alot of online people are like F**k Hollywood, those greedy bastards. Why should I have to give them any of my money. Even some idiots going as far as saying "Why should I have to pay for it?" Not knowing the movie industry is a business. Or better yet they do and just don't care. Funny when you think about who the truly greedy ones are. They just can't give out "free" like those want.

The comments just in those youtube pages are mind numbing. And that's just a lick of the icing of the cake from everywhere else online. I know this thread might be short lived and closed in a while. Or no one reads it at all.

[Quinthoopachiefy]

Originally Posted by Michael Bay Fan

Don't know if anyone heard about this. I just saw the trailer for it. I know file sharing is a hot topic. And whether you think it should be allowed. And those who are for it, or those are strongly against it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XP01J6vcKQQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ng3k6lv4ITU

I know alot of online people are like F**k Hollywood, those greedy bastards. Why should I have to give them any of my money. Even some idiots going as far as saying "Why should I have to pay for it?" Not knowing the movie industry is a business. Or better yet they do and just don't care. Funny when you think about who the truly greedy ones are. They just can't give out "free" like those want.

The comments just in those youtube pages are mind numbing. And that's just a lick of the icing of the cake from everywhere else online. I know this thread might be short lived and closed in a while. Or no one reads it at all.

Thanks for Sharing this!!

[P@t_Mtl]

The sad part of all this is that if any of these online pirates ever created something they would be the first one screaming hell if someone else was using it for free but because it's some big, not very personal, huge corporations it's alright to steal what they have created.

[ZeTi]

Looks cool, def. gonna check this out.

[Jennifer Lawrence Fan]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

The sad part of all this is that if any of these online pirates ever created something they would be the first one screaming hell if someone else was using it for free but because it's some big, not very personal, huge corporations it's alright to steal what they have created.

Of course they would. They figure these big studios can take a hit with all the money they make. Not thinking about anyone else who works on these films who don't make millions like the production crews and such. They depend on getting jobs to provide for their families. Why I say studios should "leak" versions of their films with viruses in them which messed up the computer for good. I know it might seem extreme, but these people need to learn. Stealing is stealing no matter how you try to explain or look at it.

[GORT]

So is the guy who made this movie going to be ok with it being given away for free online and not make any money from it. generation entitlement lives on

[Jennifer Lawrence Fan]

Originally Posted by GORT

So is the guy who made this movie going to be ok with it being given away for free online and not make any money from it

I think that's the point that it was going to be available online to watch for free.

[GORT]

Originally Posted by Michael Bay Fan

I think that's the point that it was going to be available online to watch for free.

and yet he wants people to send him money to build a place to edit movies. I guess these people would have lots of extra money since they steal other peoples property insted of paying for it like everybody else.

[Jennifer Lawrence Fan]

Originally Posted by GORT

and yet he wants people to send him money to build a place to edit movies. I guess these people would have lots of extra money since they steal other peoples property insted of paying for it like everybody else.

I thought it was just for them to get a good editor for this one thing. But again I highly doubt the people who steal movies would give any money to this. Why they steal the movies in the first place.

But that one video was from like 2 years ago, so I guess it's all settled now.

[DetroitSportsFan]

Originally Posted by Michael Bay Fan

I thought it was just for them to get a good editor for this one thing.

That's the way I understood it.

[Jennifer Lawrence Fan]

Originally Posted by DetroitSportsFan

That's the way I understood it.

But as I also said, that one video is from two years ago. And they must have gotten an editor for the feel cause it's coming out.

[McCrutchy]

Originally Posted by Michael Bay Fan

But as I also said, that one video is from two years ago. And they must have gotten an editor for the feel cause it's coming out.

According to Wikipedia:

The film's website was launched on August 28, 2010, along with a Kickstarter campaign to raise $25,000 to hire an editor after the Court of Appeal trial. The campaign was fully funded within three days and raised $51,424 in total. In February 2011, Konstnärsnämnden (the Swedish government's Arts Grants Committee) granted the project an additional 200,000 SEK (≈ $31,000).

The film will be released under a Creative Commons license onto The Pirate Bay and other BitTorrent sites. A DVD will also be available to those who wish to support the developers.

I don't think film piracy is simply (or even largely) an issue of people not having money to spend. I mean, in the first place, you have to have at least a decent computer system and internet connection, as well as the free time to surf around looking for downloads and watch them. And movies are easier than ever to see legally, with theaters offering cheaper ticket prices in the mornings, Blu-rays and DVDs that release under $20 to start, and not to mention the rental and VOD services.

I think a lot of it has to do with just plain laziness, in that its a lot easier to point and click your way to a film download than it is to get up, get ready to go out, drive to the theater/store, stand in line and/or sit in the theater and then drive home.

[SquidPuppet]

Originally Posted by McCrutchy

I think a lot of it has to do with just plain laziness, in that its a lot easier to point and click your way to a film download than it is to get up, get ready to go out, drive to the theater/store, stand in line and/or sit in the theater and then drive home.

Then they should point and click at Amazon, or another legitimate retailer.

They are thieves and criminals and should be prosecuted as such.

[Jennifer Lawrence Fan]

Originally Posted by SquidPuppet

Then they should point and click at Amazon, or another legitimate retailer.

They are thieves and criminals and should be prosecuted as such.

From what I learned is if someone can get something for free and not get in trouble they're gonna do it. Like I said they don't care, cause they see piracy as a victimless crime. and thinking they are putting it to the big corporate studios.

Stealing is stealing no matter how you look at it. Maybe in the case of someone stealing food for their family don't starve. Compared to some 16 year old downloading/streaming the latest movies. A case of need/want. You need to eat to survive. You want to watch a movie. A huge difference there. Movies are a privilege, not a necessity of life. No matter what they think.

[AmrlKJaneway]

People at work look at me like I'm crazy when I say I don't pirate. People just don't think about it, and not everyone supports the film industry. Sure, they watch films, but if they disappeared, they wouldn't care. Piracy will always exists, it's a way of life and there's nothing wrong with it for people who don't care. These movies aren't made for them. It's up to us, the film FANS, to pay for film and support the industry. And there's enough of us to keep it going.

[Jennifer Lawrence Fan]

Originally Posted by AmrlKJaneway

People at work look at me like I'm crazy when I say I don't pirate. People just don't think about it, and not everyone supports the film industry. Sure, they watch films, but if they disappeared, they wouldn't care. Piracy will always exists, it's a way of life and there's nothing wrong with it for people who don't care. These movies aren't made for them. It's up to us, the film FANS, to pay for film and support the industry. And there's enough of us to keep it going.

So what you're saying is you condone stealing, and only film fans should have to pay, and that's good enough for the industry?

So let's say if you had a ton of sports stuff worth a fortune. And someone just came and stole it. Would it be okay for them to steal that from you seeing how they aren't sports fans?

[sycro]

Originally Posted by Michael Bay Fan

So what you're saying is you condone stealing, and only film fans should have to pay, and that's good enough for the industry?

So let's say if you had a ton of sports stuff worth a fortune. And someone just came and stole it. Would it be okay for them to steal that from you seeing how they aren't sports fans?

I'm sure this will all get shut down, but that's a terrible example, just like most examples.

If you take my sports stuff, I no longer have the sports stuff. You have taken the only copy. This is more like me buying a photo, and you coming and making a copy of it and taking it back to your house.

Within the US, at least for movies, there's been no scientific evidence to show that piracy has an effect on the profits for a movie. Why? Because people are largely pirating movies they would have otherwise never seen. I'm not going to go see Pitch Perfect. I'm not going to spend money to rent Pitch Perfect. But if somebody sends me a link to a download, I might check it out.

[Rblu-Dblu]

Originally Posted by Michael Bay Fan

So what you're saying is you condone stealing, and only film fans should have to pay, and that's good enough for the industry?

So let's say if you had a ton of sports stuff worth a fortune. And someone just came and stole it. Would it be okay for them to steal that from you seeing how they aren't sports fans?

He's saying the people who do it feel that way. He wasn't saying he condones it.

[Jennifer Lawrence Fan]

Originally Posted by Rblu-Dblu

He's saying the people who do it feel that way. He wasn't saying he condones it.

Well, when they said "There's nothing wrong it" lend me to believe. But whatever.

The people who pirate or steal or whatever they do usually don't say nothing until something is stolen from them. And then they make a big fuss over it.

or say someone spends a few years building a car from scratch. Only finally to have it stolen from someone who liked the car is that okay? Or if someone sees another mans Wife/Girlfriend and wants to have sexual relations with her is that okay? But I'll just stop before I get in any trouble.

[AmrlKJaneway]

Originally Posted by Michael Bay Fan

Well, when they said "There's nothing wrong it" lend me to believe. But whatever.

The people who pirate or steal or whatever they do usually don't say nothing until something is stolen from them. And then they make a big fuss over it.

or say someone spends a few years building a car from scratch. Only finally to have it stolen from someone who liked the car is that okay? Or if someone sees another mans Wife/Girlfriend and wants to have sexual relations with her is that okay? But I'll just stop before I get in any trouble.

That's a better example.

Sorry, didn't realise the discussion continued after I left. I was merely getting at the fact that these people will NEVER pay for films, and if that was their only option they simply wouldn't watch films.

It does mess up the numbers though, probably. And there's some film makers who should probably be a bit richer than they are. And that sucks. We, film fans, are the types that enjoy, for example, The Shawshank Redemption over say, Scary Movie. These pirate types have probably made many copies of these less-serious movies, bringing down their numbers. We may scoff when something "crap" rates high, but if that's what people like, it deserves to make money.

And don't get me started on porn. Nobody pays for it. And yeah, these aren't Spielberg's in the director's chair. But they took the time, made the effort, spent the money, they deserve something back.

But asides from profit, there's also getting the word out. I wasn't expecting to enjoy A Serbian Film, but the hype made me wanna see it. I tried to rent it, but it's banned in my country. So I streamed it. I made sure to stream, so I didn't have my own downloaded "copy". What I did was wrong, but I justified it in my head, and when I can I'll purchase a copy to say thanks.

But that movie made very little money back, but got the director recognized. I wonder if maybe he's happy folks in my country are pirating his film after our government said; "no, no".

[Show spoiler]Or maybe he feels raped by me, how ironic.

When Metallica was chucking a fit over Napster back in the day, Limp Bizkit were supporting it. They said illegal downloads got them recognized. But this is music. There's merchandise and concerts. Someone may have seen Limp Bizkit every time they came to his town, owns seven shirts for Mon-Sun, and owns no Limp Bizkit CD's.

Alternatively, they may have pirated the first album and thought it was so good they bought every CD afterwards. People (mainstream) aren't as conscious of who makes films. A layman film fan won't see one director's film, like it, and see all the rest. They'll completely skip who made it. And that's assuming a film is property of a director. The team is a lot bigger than the four guys in a band, their manager and engineer.

Bit of a ramble, sorry. But it's a funny issue. No, I won't ever pirate again. I did as a kid out of greed and poorness. Now I can support my habit, even if I have to mostly rent, and above all I respect the people who have crafted my hobby. But if it's not your hobby, is respect due?