Blu-Ray's Silence... - Blu-ray Forum

goonie · 07-15-2006, 03:07 AM

Ok, so I am the exact type of customer that Blu-Ray should be targeting. I own over 2k DVD's, and am just preparing to dive head-first into the HD arena. Already upgraded EVERYTHING. (Sound, TV, etc) Had already planned on going with the Sony Blu-Ray, but after the horrid debut a few weeks ago, and Sony's non-existent news or info on how they intend to actually CORRECT everything... I am having serious second thoughts. HD-DVD is sounding a lot more attractive, and seem to have their act together. I get a bad feeling about Blu-Ray now for some reason -- HD-DVD continues to roll out titles constantly, and are actually picking GOOD movies to realease in HD instead of the crappy and ill-thought ones that Blu-Ray and Co have pulled out of some strange hat. What incredibly bad choices. Hitch in HD? Yeah.

Anyway, unless some news comes out soon, I'll be tossing the three Blu-Ray DVD's I've already purchased and switch sides. Reasons? 1. Expensive & Cruddy 1st player released. 2. Bad, bad choices in titles. 3. Seems like they are already losing steam. Why aren't they being more aggressive? 4. Poor quality in products. 5. Reviews are some of the worst that I've read. 6. Still no idea of when they will be able to utilize their full potential. 7. HD-DVD just looks a lot better at this point. 8. Blu-Ray's total disregard for the special features that make DVD such a cool medium. They obviously don't care about consumer wants, nor do they seem to care much for the films they are releasing.

In the beginning, I felt Blu-Ray was going to win this war -- now I seriously doubt it. A lot of bad choices... PS3 is going to be their only saviour. I will wait until October -- and if something drastic hasn't happened, I'm jumping ship and cancelling my order.

zombie · 07-15-2006, 03:55 AM

Well I certainly agree that HD DVD is a better format right now. That said, you have to ask yourself why Disney, Fox, and Lions Gate remain exclusive Blu-ray supporters. Also why is Toshiba the only one putting out an HD DVD player this year? Blu-ray players from Sony, Pioneer, Panasonic, and Sharp will likely all be released this year. So therein lies a serious question in my mind, why is HD DVD failing to garner more industry support despite a better launch? The only answer I can come up with is that all of these companies firmly believe Blu-ray will emerge the winner in this format war. They've put their money where their mouths are big time. This speaks volumes to me about their belief that Blu-ray will deliver what consumers want most. Let's see how the format is doing six months from now. I suspect the reviews then will be a lot different than they are now.

BTBuck1 · 07-15-2006, 04:24 AM

Honestly, How can Blu Ray lose?

Pioneer, Sony, Philips,Samsung & panasonic all releasing players in the first year.

Sharp, LG, Mitsubishi comming probably next yr.

What does HDDVD have? oh, a 360 ad-on & a few computer drives...is that really something that looks enticing to you?

Then we have movie studio support:

all things pretty much equal except HDDVD has Universal

and Blu ray has Sony pictures, MGM, Tri Star, Columbia, 20th century Fox, Disney, Buena vista, Miramax, Touchstone.

So the question then becomes, why buy one over the other. Right now, the ONLY reason to buy an HDDVD is because of the software out RIGHT NOW. I'll give it to them, they got the better codec. BUT, Blu-Ray is capable of the same thing, as well as MORE disc space. I think right now is a pretty lame time to buy into either format. Im guessing octoberish, novemberish a clearer victor will emerge, But honestly to count out the PS3, ALL THESE MAJOR STUDIOS, & then all you have from HDDVD is Toshiba & xbox 360 and a handfull of movie studios and Toshiba purposefully losing money on their Hardware (which is slower & Buggier than Samsungs BR player), I dunno...maybe it's just me...but that alone screams run as fast as you can from this thing!

I'm firmly convinced that unless Toshiba can miracle support from atleast two of the Big 3 (Panny-Sammy-Sony, & they may get samsung) they are doomed to PSP UMD status in a year and a half. On the other hand, If LG, Samsung and some of the other BR only supporters start comming over...this thing could last a long time. Either way...Competition only makes things better for you and me. I have WAYYYY more faith in Sony than Toshiba products, and I know that the bomb is going to drop this fall!

PS3 will be the trojan horse for Blu-Ray

hmurchison · 07-15-2006, 05:41 AM

If you have 2000 DVDs then money isn't really the issue here. Snap up a HD DVD player right now and then hold out and see what BD player is the one to get.

No one knows how the format war will end up. Why put your life on hold in the meantime?

Blue · 07-15-2006, 04:02 PM

Here we go again.
Goonie, let me guess you don't own a Samsung DVD player! Bet you don't own a Toshiba either. I'm guessing the elite Pioneer or Denon, am I getting close? So why do you wish to purchase a Samsung now?

I was going to rebut the statements 1- 8. It's simple using those arguments you should ditch BD and go HD. I will make it easier for you instead of tossing out the 3 BD titles you have I will purchase them off you for 1 Aussie dollar (I know it's not much but better than nothing). I'm not sure how HD-DVD is going to save your new sound system - well the DD/DTS decoder anyway as they all have another generation or two to go before they catch up to either the BD or HD-DVD standards. (hope you got the extra speakers for the additional channels.

There was another thread about bias - I suggest you go to that thread and tell us your real motivation, sorry your arguments don't hold up for example -
"Reasons? 1. Expensive & Cruddy 1st player released." So why did you by DVD's - the first DVD player was VERY EXPENSIVE and on the cruddiness scale well a new supper cruddiness scale had to be invented. Not to mention reliability, or quality issues. They even had to ditch the whole thing and start again - I wonder why the current DVD's use MPEG-2, what ever happened to MPEG-1!!!!!!!!!!!!! Even then the 1st MPEG-2 players were expensive and supper cruddy. In 4 years time the Toshiba HD-1 will be EXPENSIVE and cruddy as well - so you had better not buy that one either.

BTBuck1 · 07-15-2006, 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blue

Here we go again.
Goonie, let me guess you don't own a Samsung DVD player! Bet you don't own a Toshiba either. I'm guessing the elite Pioneer or Denon, am I getting close? So why do you wish to purchase a Samsung now?

I was going to rebut the statements 1- 8. It's simple using those arguments you should ditch BD and go HD. I will make it easier for you instead of tossing out the 3 BD titles you have I will purchase them off you for 1 Aussie dollar (I know it's not much but better than nothing). I'm not sure how HD-DVD is going to save your new sound system - well the DD/DTS decoder anyway as they all have another generation or two to go before they catch up to either the BD or HD-DVD standards. (hope you got the extra speakers for the additional channels.

There was another thread about bias - I suggest you go to that thread and tell us your real motivation, sorry your arguments don't hold up for example -
"Reasons? 1. Expensive & Cruddy 1st player released." So why did you by DVD's - the first DVD player was VERY EXPENSIVE and on the cruddiness scale well a new supper cruddiness scale had to be invented. Not to mention reliability, or quality issues. They even had to ditch the whole thing and start again - I wonder why the current DVD's use MPEG-2, what ever happened to MPEG-1!!!!!!!!!!!!! Even then the 1st MPEG-2 players were expensive and supper cruddy. In 4 years time the Toshiba HD-1 will be EXPENSIVE and cruddy as well - so you had better not buy that one either.

^ Ditto, i think?

Psiweaver · 07-15-2006, 07:21 PM

The thing is, that by this time next year blu-ray will be cranking out great titles and hd-dvd will still be at the same point its at right now because it really doesn't have anymore disc space to grow into and its not going to get widespread ce support and there are far more exlusive studios for blu ray.

goonie · 07-17-2006, 11:44 PM

Ok, so I expected to be Knocked for my opinion. I posted my OPINION on my thoughts as to how things were going so far -- I don't need to read other threads "to tell you my real motivation", Blue. There isn't one. I am frustrated in reading so much about HD-DVD & seeing their list growing constantly with QUALITY films, while Blu sits on their butt slowly releasing crap titles hardly worthy of SD... much less HD. Don't kid yourself by saying that the titles are comparible. Today on the front page of this site, BV announces... Eight Below, Jay & Silent Bob, Glory Road???? Are these films the best they could come up with to grab consumer attention and win this war? ABSOLUTELY FRIGGIN NOT. Period. I have seen the lists of supporting studios for both, and just want to know why they are holding back their "show off" titles... that is how you are going to hook joe public. Once they have bought enough of either side (HD-DVD or Blu-Ray) there is little chance for them to switch... that is why getting the good titles out fast is imparative -- and why the lesser format could easily win this war based soley on numbers (lower unit price, more AND better titles).

I went into Fry's last week and had to ask THREE people working in the DVD section where the Blu-Ray titles were! Yes, not the best way to judge, but I was floored that I had to explain what they were.

hmurchison - Yes, I own 2000 dvd's... and NO, I am not rich. Money IS an issue, and that is why I am trying to make the right choice here. I have been collecting since day 1 of DVD -- I am the early adopter-type. I am not putting my life on hold, and am just trying decide which one to stand behind financially. I will not be buying both.

Every one of my statements at the top are completely valid. I keep up with the news on the HD front, and am well aware of what is out there. I WANT to like BR -- they are just making it almost impossible to stand behind by handling it like they are. And to clarify, Blue -- I SAID that I didn't own one yet because I was waiting for Sony's player. So your hits at the top of your post are completely maligned. I have no desire in the least to pick up the samsung. As far as my sound system - I bought a top-of-the-line Denon & 4k in speakers (that I saved up for), and yes - I know it doesn't handle Dolby HD or the other newer HD sounds formats, but it is the best out there today. SD DVD's sound incredible.

In closing, a year from now may be too late to recover... that is everyone's answer so far. "Next year, this... next year, that". They need to start fighting now.

The Don · 07-18-2006, 03:53 AM

you can post your opinion....

but HD-DVD having "quality films" is your opinion, and yours alone...because I don't agree with you...

most of my favorite films come under Mirimax and Lions Gate....Mirimax (Disney) and so forth....so to me...the best movies will be coming from the BD player...

and that's my opinion...

I didn't read most of your response because you were on the complete defensive and I had to

while reading...

I just had to respond to you saying HD-DVD having more "quality films"....

mainman · 07-18-2006, 10:01 AM

Allmost all the titles that are coming to HD-DVD will also come on Blu-ray, and the other way around.

Blu-ray movies:
http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/releasedates.html

HD-DVD movies:
http://hddvd.highdefdigest.com/releasedates.html

Also look at release dates pending. The list looks almost similar, except for a few titles like 'The Fast and the Furious' for HD-DVD and 'Kill Bill' for Blu-ray.

Jazar · 07-18-2006, 02:28 PM

If anyone was to ask me for advice on what next gen DVD platform to get (HD-DVD or Blu-Ray), I would tell them to WAIT. Stay back on the sidelines until early 2007 at least. Early adoption is for the ultra hardcore and being an early adopter you allow yourself to spend money on a potential dud. I think Blu-ray has a really really strong alliance that HD-DVD just does not have (although Microsoft isn't going to go down without a huge fight) and while initial BR titles have left a lot to be desired, 2006 is just NOT the year that will matter IMO. The general public is completely oblivious that these new formats even exist.

BTBuck1 · 07-18-2006, 04:11 PM

Don't you guys know?

Universal Pictures-HDDVD Exclusive

Sony,MGM,Columbia,Tristar,Disney,Buneavista,Mirama x,Touchstone,20th century Fox -Blu Ray Exclusive

Paramount,WB-NewLine-Both.

BTBuck1 · 07-18-2006, 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jazar

Early adoption is for the ultra hardcore 2006 is just NOT the year that will matter IMO. The general public is completely oblivious that these new formats even exist.

^ditto

no_wei · 07-18-2006, 07:31 PM

goonie, i think it's interesting to note that you say you're frustrated reading so much positive stuff about hd-dvd and so much negative stuff about blu-ray.

just because you've now essentially added to the very body of work that frustrates you.

that by no means invalidates your post, and i'm certainly not suggesting that you shouldn't have posted it.

i just think it's funny, is all.

i will also say that i'm far less than certain as to which format will prove to have the most longevity. on the one hand, i do, like many people on this forum, look at blu-ray on paper and think there's no way it can lose to hd-dvd, but at the same time, i recognize i could very easily be wrong about this. on the other hand, i will be buying a ps3, so i'm a blu-ray supporter by default. as far as a standalone player is concerned, i don't think i will be buying one until i can get one that plays both formats, which might not be for a while.

/no

The Don · 07-18-2006, 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mainman

Allmost all the titles that are coming to HD-DVD will also come on Blu-ray, and the other way around.

Blu-ray movies:
http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/releasedates.html

HD-DVD movies:
http://hddvd.highdefdigest.com/releasedates.html

Also look at release dates pending. The list looks almost similar, except for a few titles like 'The Fast and the Furious' for HD-DVD and 'Kill Bill' for Blu-ray.

kill bill >>>>>> any fast and furious movie...they all suck..

BTBuck1 · 07-18-2006, 08:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Don

kill bill >>>>>> any fast and furious movie...they all suck..

Hmmm, i like both.

mainman · 07-18-2006, 11:04 PM

Kill Bill is owned by Miramax and will be released on Blu-ray.

But apparantly, the Weinstein co. also have the rights to the Kill Bill movies. They can release Kill Bill 1 and 2 on one disc (as one movie) and uncut.

Psiweaver · 07-18-2006, 11:05 PM

wierd but my guess is that miramax will control that one pretty heavily.

The Don · 07-19-2006, 01:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mainman

Kill Bill is owned by Miramax and will be released on Blu-ray.

But apparantly, the Weinstein co. also have the rights to the Kill Bill movies. They can release Kill Bill 1 and 2 on one disc (as one movie) and uncut.

I would love that idea....

of course they'd lose money...lol

Psiweaver · 07-19-2006, 04:29 PM

yeah would be a bad idea for them.

07-15-2006, 03:07 AM	#1
goonie Junior Member Member since:Jul 2006 Location:Minneapolis, MN	Blu-Ray's Silence... Ok, so I am the exact type of customer that Blu-Ray should be targeting. I own over 2k DVD's, and am just preparing to dive head-first into the HD arena. Already upgraded EVERYTHING. (Sound, TV, etc) Had already planned on going with the Sony Blu-Ray, but after the horrid debut a few weeks ago, and Sony's non-existent news or info on how they intend to actually CORRECT everything... I am having serious second thoughts. HD-DVD is sounding a lot more attractive, and seem to have their act together. I get a bad feeling about Blu-Ray now for some reason -- HD-DVD continues to roll out titles constantly, and are actually picking GOOD movies to realease in HD instead of the crappy and ill-thought ones that Blu-Ray and Co have pulled out of some strange hat. What incredibly bad choices. Hitch in HD? Yeah. Anyway, unless some news comes out soon, I'll be tossing the three Blu-Ray DVD's I've already purchased and switch sides. Reasons? 1. Expensive & Cruddy 1st player released. 2. Bad, bad choices in titles. 3. Seems like they are already losing steam. Why aren't they being more aggressive? 4. Poor quality in products. 5. Reviews are some of the worst that I've read. 6. Still no idea of when they will be able to utilize their full potential. 7. HD-DVD just looks a lot better at this point. 8. Blu-Ray's total disregard for the special features that make DVD such a cool medium. They obviously don't care about consumer wants, nor do they seem to care much for the films they are releasing. In the beginning, I felt Blu-Ray was going to win this war -- now I seriously doubt it. A lot of bad choices... PS3 is going to be their only saviour. I will wait until October -- and if something drastic hasn't happened, I'm jumping ship and cancelling my order. Last edited by goonie; 07-15-2006 at 04:26 AM.

07-15-2006, 04:02 PM	#5
Blue Super Moderator Top contributor Member since:Jan 2005 Location:Melbourne Australia Blu-ray collection:206	Here we go again. Goonie, let me guess you don't own a Samsung DVD player! Bet you don't own a Toshiba either. I'm guessing the elite Pioneer or Denon, am I getting close? So why do you wish to purchase a Samsung now? I was going to rebut the statements 1- 8. It's simple using those arguments you should ditch BD and go HD. I will make it easier for you instead of tossing out the 3 BD titles you have I will purchase them off you for 1 Aussie dollar (I know it's not much but better than nothing). I'm not sure how HD-DVD is going to save your new sound system - well the DD/DTS decoder anyway as they all have another generation or two to go before they catch up to either the BD or HD-DVD standards. (hope you got the extra speakers for the additional channels. There was another thread about bias - I suggest you go to that thread and tell us your real motivation, sorry your arguments don't hold up for example - "Reasons? 1. Expensive & Cruddy 1st player released." So why did you by DVD's - the first DVD player was VERY EXPENSIVE and on the cruddiness scale well a new supper cruddiness scale had to be invented. Not to mention reliability, or quality issues. They even had to ditch the whole thing and start again - I wonder why the current DVD's use MPEG-2, what ever happened to MPEG-1!!!!!!!!!!!!! Even then the 1st MPEG-2 players were expensive and supper cruddy. In 4 years time the Toshiba HD-1 will be EXPENSIVE and cruddy as well - so you had better not buy that one either. Last edited by Blue; 07-15-2006 at 04:05 PM.

07-17-2006, 11:44 PM	#8
goonie Junior Member Member since:Jul 2006 Location:Minneapolis, MN	Expected that. Ok, so I expected to be Knocked for my opinion. I posted my OPINION on my thoughts as to how things were going so far -- I don't need to read other threads "to tell you my real motivation", Blue. There isn't one. I am frustrated in reading so much about HD-DVD & seeing their list growing constantly with QUALITY films, while Blu sits on their butt slowly releasing crap titles hardly worthy of SD... much less HD. Don't kid yourself by saying that the titles are comparible. Today on the front page of this site, BV announces... Eight Below, Jay & Silent Bob, Glory Road???? Are these films the best they could come up with to grab consumer attention and win this war? ABSOLUTELY FRIGGIN NOT. Period. I have seen the lists of supporting studios for both, and just want to know why they are holding back their "show off" titles... that is how you are going to hook joe public. Once they have bought enough of either side (HD-DVD or Blu-Ray) there is little chance for them to switch... that is why getting the good titles out fast is imparative -- and why the lesser format could easily win this war based soley on numbers (lower unit price, more AND better titles). I went into Fry's last week and had to ask THREE people working in the DVD section where the Blu-Ray titles were! Yes, not the best way to judge, but I was floored that I had to explain what they were. hmurchison - Yes, I own 2000 dvd's... and NO, I am not rich. Money IS an issue, and that is why I am trying to make the right choice here. I have been collecting since day 1 of DVD -- I am the early adopter-type. I am not putting my life on hold, and am just trying decide which one to stand behind financially. I will not be buying both. Every one of my statements at the top are completely valid. I keep up with the news on the HD front, and am well aware of what is out there. I WANT to like BR -- they are just making it almost impossible to stand behind by handling it like they are. And to clarify, Blue -- I SAID that I didn't own one yet because I was waiting for Sony's player. So your hits at the top of your post are completely maligned. I have no desire in the least to pick up the samsung. As far as my sound system - I bought a top-of-the-line Denon & 4k in speakers (that I saved up for), and yes - I know it doesn't handle Dolby HD or the other newer HD sounds formats, but it is the best out there today. SD DVD's sound incredible. In closing, a year from now may be too late to recover... that is everyone's answer so far. "Next year, this... next year, that". They need to start fighting now.

07-18-2006, 10:01 AM	#10
mainman Senior Member Member since:Jan 2006	Allmost all the titles that are coming to HD-DVD will also come on Blu-ray, and the other way around. Blu-ray movies: http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/releasedates.html HD-DVD movies: http://hddvd.highdefdigest.com/releasedates.html Also look at release dates pending. The list looks almost similar, except for a few titles like 'The Fast and the Furious' for HD-DVD and 'Kill Bill' for Blu-ray. Last edited by mainman; 07-18-2006 at 10:07 AM.

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zombie Blu-ray Guru Top contributor Member since:May 2004 Trading Score:865	Well I certainly agree that HD DVD is a better format right now. That said, you have to ask yourself why Disney, Fox, and Lions Gate remain exclusive Blu-ray supporters. Also why is Toshiba the only one putting out an HD DVD player this year? Blu-ray players from Sony, Pioneer, Panasonic, and Sharp will likely all be released this year. So therein lies a serious question in my mind, why is HD DVD failing to garner more industry support despite a better launch? The only answer I can come up with is that all of these companies firmly believe Blu-ray will emerge the winner in this format war. They've put their money where their mouths are big time. This speaks volumes to me about their belief that Blu-ray will deliver what consumers want most. Let's see how the format is doing six months from now. I suspect the reviews then will be a lot different than they are now.

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BTBuck1 Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Jun 2006 Location:Oceanside, CA. Blu-ray collection:507 DVD collection:1	Honestly, How can Blu Ray lose? Pioneer, Sony, Philips,Samsung & panasonic all releasing players in the first year. Sharp, LG, Mitsubishi comming probably next yr. What does HDDVD have? oh, a 360 ad-on & a few computer drives...is that really something that looks enticing to you? Then we have movie studio support: all things pretty much equal except HDDVD has Universal and Blu ray has Sony pictures, MGM, Tri Star, Columbia, 20th century Fox, Disney, Buena vista, Miramax, Touchstone. So the question then becomes, why buy one over the other. Right now, the ONLY reason to buy an HDDVD is because of the software out RIGHT NOW. I'll give it to them, they got the better codec. BUT, Blu-Ray is capable of the same thing, as well as MORE disc space. I think right now is a pretty lame time to buy into either format. Im guessing octoberish, novemberish a clearer victor will emerge, But honestly to count out the PS3, ALL THESE MAJOR STUDIOS, & then all you have from HDDVD is Toshiba & xbox 360 and a handfull of movie studios and Toshiba purposefully losing money on their Hardware (which is slower & Buggier than Samsungs BR player), I dunno...maybe it's just me...but that alone screams run as fast as you can from this thing! I'm firmly convinced that unless Toshiba can miracle support from atleast two of the Big 3 (Panny-Sammy-Sony, & they may get samsung) they are doomed to PSP UMD status in a year and a half. On the other hand, If LG, Samsung and some of the other BR only supporters start comming over...this thing could last a long time. Either way...Competition only makes things better for you and me. I have WAYYYY more faith in Sony than Toshiba products, and I know that the bomb is going to drop this fall! PS3 will be the trojan horse for Blu-Ray

07-15-2006, 05:41 AM	#4
hmurchison Banned Member since:Aug 2004 Location:Seaattle	If you have 2000 DVDs then money isn't really the issue here. Snap up a HD DVD player right now and then hold out and see what BD player is the one to get. No one knows how the format war will end up. Why put your life on hold in the meantime?

07-15-2006, 07:21 PM	#7
Psiweaver Special Member Member since:Jun 2006 Location:Los Angeles,CA	The thing is, that by this time next year blu-ray will be cranking out great titles and hd-dvd will still be at the same point its at right now because it really doesn't have anymore disc space to grow into and its not going to get widespread ce support and there are far more exlusive studios for blu ray.

07-18-2006, 03:53 AM	#9
The Don Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Apr 2006 Blu-ray reviews:12 Trading Score:2	you can post your opinion.... but HD-DVD having "quality films" is your opinion, and yours alone...because I don't agree with you... most of my favorite films come under Mirimax and Lions Gate....Mirimax (Disney) and so forth....so to me...the best movies will be coming from the BD player... and that's my opinion... I didn't read most of your response because you were on the complete defensive and I had to while reading... I just had to respond to you saying HD-DVD having more "quality films"....

07-18-2006, 02:28 PM	#11
Jazar Active Member Member since:Jun 2006	If anyone was to ask me for advice on what next gen DVD platform to get (HD-DVD or Blu-Ray), I would tell them to WAIT. Stay back on the sidelines until early 2007 at least. Early adoption is for the ultra hardcore and being an early adopter you allow yourself to spend money on a potential dud. I think Blu-ray has a really really strong alliance that HD-DVD just does not have (although Microsoft isn't going to go down without a huge fight) and while initial BR titles have left a lot to be desired, 2006 is just NOT the year that will matter IMO. The general public is completely oblivious that these new formats even exist.

07-18-2006, 04:11 PM	#12
BTBuck1 Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Jun 2006 Location:Oceanside, CA. Blu-ray collection:507 DVD collection:1	Don't you guys know? Universal Pictures-HDDVD Exclusive Sony,MGM,Columbia,Tristar,Disney,Buneavista,Mirama x,Touchstone,20th century Fox -Blu Ray Exclusive Paramount,WB-NewLine-Both.

07-18-2006, 07:31 PM	#14
no_wei Member Member since:May 2006	goonie, i think it's interesting to note that you say you're frustrated reading so much positive stuff about hd-dvd and so much negative stuff about blu-ray. just because you've now essentially added to the very body of work that frustrates you. that by no means invalidates your post, and i'm certainly not suggesting that you shouldn't have posted it. i just think it's funny, is all. i will also say that i'm far less than certain as to which format will prove to have the most longevity. on the one hand, i do, like many people on this forum, look at blu-ray on paper and think there's no way it can lose to hd-dvd, but at the same time, i recognize i could very easily be wrong about this. on the other hand, i will be buying a ps3, so i'm a blu-ray supporter by default. as far as a standalone player is concerned, i don't think i will be buying one until i can get one that plays both formats, which might not be for a while. /no

07-18-2006, 11:04 PM	#17
mainman Senior Member Member since:Jan 2006	Kill Bill is owned by Miramax and will be released on Blu-ray. But apparantly, the Weinstein co. also have the rights to the Kill Bill movies. They can release Kill Bill 1 and 2 on one disc (as one movie) and uncut.

07-18-2006, 11:05 PM	#18
Psiweaver Special Member Member since:Jun 2006 Location:Los Angeles,CA	wierd but my guess is that miramax will control that one pretty heavily.

07-19-2006, 04:29 PM	#20
Psiweaver Special Member Member since:Jun 2006 Location:Los Angeles,CA	yeah would be a bad idea for them.

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