John Carpenter wins Lockout lawsuit - Blu-ray Forum

levcore · 10-16-2015, 09:42 PM

http://www.joblo.com/movie-news/john...filmmakers-187

Apologies if this was already posted somewhere, I couldn't see a thread. I find this very interesting news, I wasn't aware he had filed a lawsuit against Europacorp and Luc Besson.

LordRaymond · 10-16-2015, 10:38 PM

Very interesting indeed. I have never watched Escape from New York but Lockout did have numerous cliches. This could set a precedent but payout is probably too small to bother.

dallywhitty · 10-16-2015, 10:40 PM

He's made some brilliant films but sometimes I think Carpenter comes across as a bit of a douche.

Astro Zombie · 10-16-2015, 10:42 PM

I didn't even know there was a lawsuit

Jennifer Lawrence Fan · 10-16-2015, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by dallywhitty

He's made some brilliant films but sometimes I think Carpenter comes across as a bit of a douche.

He's only mad cause he didn't get paid. Other wise it would have been fine.

That's why he sued to get his money.

dissention · 10-16-2015, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by dallywhitty

He's made some brilliant films but sometimes I think Carpenter comes across as a bit of a douche.

I thought he was insufferable in that "Fear On Film" roundtable from the Videodrome Blu. Every time he opened his mouth, I cringed.

dallywhitty · 10-16-2015, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael Bay Fan

He's only mad cause he didn't get paid. Other wise it would have been fine.

That's why he sued to get his money.

Why should he get paid? Filmmakers steal other people's ideas all the time. I guess Quentin Tarantino owes money to about a billion different directors.

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Originally Posted by dissention

I thought he was insufferable in that "Fear On Film" roundtable from the Videodrome Blu. Every time he opened his mouth, I cringed.

Carpenter didn't bother me too much, surprisingly, but John Landis was unbearable to watch. But then I've never liked him. Of course, Cronenberg was cool as ****.

octagon · 10-16-2015, 11:21 PM

Okay, I've only read this one news item but this sounds like a really stupid ruling.

The 'form of a film' is a copyrightable element?

Tony208 · 10-16-2015, 11:22 PM

lol these are common tropes

Jennifer Lawrence Fan · 10-16-2015, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by dallywhitty

Why should he get paid? Filmmakers steal other people's ideas all the time. I guess Quentin Tarantino owes money to about a billion different directors.

I don't know. he probably feels he's owed that cause he was ripped off.

He has no problem with people remaking his films as long as he gets the checks in the mail.

chris_sc77 · 10-16-2015, 11:23 PM

If you actually read the article it stated part of the reason of the ruling is due to Carpenter having previously talked up the idea of "Escape from Earth"

Michael24 · 10-16-2015, 11:28 PM

Hadn't even heard of this lawsuit before. Lockout was an okay time waster for a rainy afternoon, but the whole I was watching it I kept thinking "It's basically Escape from New York in space." I even seem to remember the opening scene essentially being a lift of EFNY's deleted scene of Snake Plissken's theft and capture.

Doctor Jack · 10-16-2015, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by chris_sc77

If you actually read the article it stated part of the reason of the ruling is due to Carpenter having previously talked up the idea of "Escape from Earth"

Read the article before commenting? This is the internet. That shit don't fly here.

Monterey Jack · 10-16-2015, 11:59 PM

I guess Carpenter hasn't seen Doomsday...

ZoetMB · 10-17-2015, 01:49 AM

I'm amazed he won this. Basic story motifs are not copyrightable, otherwise everyone would be suing everyone else all the time and Shakespeare should be suing everyone because it all either came from him or from Greek and Roman myths anyway. I don't think he would have won had this been a U.S. lawsuit.

He only got $20K. That probably didn't even pay for his lawyer.

How many westerns have basically the same plot elements? The original Star Trek TV show was sold as "Wagon Train in space". Almost every love story is "boy meets girl", "boy loses girl", "boy gets girl".

"The Martian" was a combination of "Cast Away" and "Apollo 13". Although the plots were different, a large part of Star Wars was certainly indebted to Flash Gordon and Edgar Rice Burrough's Martian series (John Carter). Etc. etc.

Coenskubrick · 10-17-2015, 02:01 AM

Wow, the trailer voice, in 2012.

Seymour · 10-17-2015, 05:00 PM

What the hell, was Carpenter hurting for money or something?

JohnCarpenterLives · 10-17-2015, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Seymour

What the hell, was Carpenter hurting for money or something?

If he's entitled to money I don't see why he shouldn't try to get it. I would be pretty upset if my friend, and I came up with a successful film, and elements were ripped off. I would be even more upset if unique plot points were also stolen, and it was so blatant that it could be proven in a court of law.

Doctor Jack · 10-17-2015, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnCarpenterLives

If he's entitled to money I don't see why he shouldn't try to get it.

Everyone thinks they are entitled to everything these days.

Ray Jackson · 10-17-2015, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by dallywhitty

He's made some brilliant films but sometimes I think Carpenter comes across as a bit of a douche.

Same here.

10-16-2015, 09:42 PM	#1
levcore Blu-ray Grand Duke Member since:Jun 2011 Location:Dryland 4K collection:306 Blu-ray collection:2617 Trading Score:3	John Carpenter wins Lockout lawsuit http://www.joblo.com/movie-news/john...filmmakers-187 Apologies if this was already posted somewhere, I couldn't see a thread. I find this very interesting news, I wasn't aware he had filed a lawsuit against Europacorp and Luc Besson.

10-16-2015, 10:38 PM	#2
LordRaymond Senior Member Member since:Jan 2011 Location:CA, US Blu-ray collection:284 DVD collection:16 Trading Score:160	Very interesting indeed. I have never watched Escape from New York but Lockout did have numerous cliches. This could set a precedent but payout is probably too small to bother.

10-16-2015, 10:40 PM	#3
dallywhitty Blu-ray Grand Duke Top contributor Member since:Aug 2009 Location:Temple of Isis 4K collection:319 Blu-ray collection:1679 DVD collection:178	He's made some brilliant films but sometimes I think Carpenter comes across as a bit of a douche.

10-16-2015, 10:42 PM	#4
Astro Zombie Blu-ray Archduke Member since:Dec 2010 Location:Florida 4K collection:733 Blu-ray collection:1327 DVD collection:87 Digital collection:394 iTunes collection:394 Trading Score:3	I didn't even know there was a lawsuit

10-16-2015, 11:21 PM	#8
octagon Blu-ray Prince Member since:Jun 2010 Location:Chicago 4K collection:255 Blu-ray collection:2799	Okay, I've only read this one news item but this sounds like a really stupid ruling. The 'form of a film' is a copyrightable element?

10-16-2015, 11:22 PM	#9
Tony208 Blu-ray Prince Top contributor Member since:May 2010 Location:NYC 4K collection:419 Blu-ray collection:663 Trading Score:609	lol these are common tropes

10-16-2015, 11:23 PM	#11
chris_sc77 Banned Member since:Feb 2012 Location:OH Blu-ray collection:1345 DVD collection:4285 Digital collection:144 Trading Score:777	If you actually read the article it stated part of the reason of the ruling is due to Carpenter having previously talked up the idea of "Escape from Earth"

10-16-2015, 11:28 PM	#12
Michael24 Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Nov 2009 Location:California 4K collection:11 Blu-ray collection:552 DVD collection:164 Trading Score:2	Hadn't even heard of this lawsuit before. Lockout was an okay time waster for a rainy afternoon, but the whole I was watching it I kept thinking "It's basically Escape from New York in space." I even seem to remember the opening scene essentially being a lift of EFNY's deleted scene of Snake Plissken's theft and capture.

10-16-2015, 11:59 PM	#14
Monterey Jack Blu-ray Grand Duke Member since:Oct 2011 Trading Score:709	I guess Carpenter hasn't seen Doomsday...

10-17-2015, 01:49 AM	#15
ZoetMB Blu-ray Ninja Member since:May 2009 Location:New York Blu-ray collection:172 DVD collection:27 Blu-ray reviews: 3	I'm amazed he won this. Basic story motifs are not copyrightable, otherwise everyone would be suing everyone else all the time and Shakespeare should be suing everyone because it all either came from him or from Greek and Roman myths anyway. I don't think he would have won had this been a U.S. lawsuit. He only got $20K. That probably didn't even pay for his lawyer. How many westerns have basically the same plot elements? The original Star Trek TV show was sold as "Wagon Train in space". Almost every love story is "boy meets girl", "boy loses girl", "boy gets girl". "The Martian" was a combination of "Cast Away" and "Apollo 13". Although the plots were different, a large part of Star Wars was certainly indebted to Flash Gordon and Edgar Rice Burrough's Martian series (John Carter). Etc. etc.

10-17-2015, 02:01 AM	#16
Coenskubrick Blu-ray Guru Member since:Apr 2015 4K collection:3 Blu-ray collection:558	Wow, the trailer voice, in 2012.

10-17-2015, 05:00 PM	#17
Seymour Blu-ray Samurai Top contributor Member since:Jan 2011 Blu-ray collection:3231 DVD collection:360	What the hell, was Carpenter hurting for money or something?

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