frustation about this battle - Blu-ray Forum

memebras · 11-16-2007, 03:06 PM

it hurts me to say but i think there is no winning or loosing anytime soon guys, both formats will stay forever, that's it! Way TOO many units sold, way too many discs sold for them to just announce, sorry everybody, drop your hd discs in the recyble bin.. we're going out of business.. if you think this is same as vhs and beta, where vhs won, not a chance..
HD CEO, owners, associates, creators, affiliates, whatever, will never bow down and say i'm sorry, lets start producing universal blu rays.. NEVER gonna happen, simple as that.. Watch the battle from a different prospective, not as a die-hard-blu-ray-fan, and put yourself in their shoes, after everything that went through, even after that shame bribery or whatever-you-call-it with paramount will you as a HD ceo or representative come forward and say we're sorry, we give up. We'll no longer produce HD dvds..
Eventually maybe microsoft might create a phenomenal HD Xbox to continue competing or not, and then playstation will create another much better playstation, maybe something called blustation.. LOL But the bottom line is, sorry to say, although blu ray has won this battle fair and square, from what i see day-after-day-basis HD is here to stay 4 a very long time!
Unless warner starts releasing blu ray ONLY, which never gonna happen ..thats why i dont see hd shutting its factory anytime soon..

what you guys think, sincerely..

JTK · 11-16-2007, 03:23 PM

I think you've fallen for some FUD my friend.

dialog_gvf · 11-16-2007, 03:28 PM

I think there is ample evidence to show the general consumer won't adopt until they are sure their choice will be around for many, many years.

So, either all studios start releasing on a format, or it will stagnate.

It is said LaserDisc reached 2% penetration (about 2 million homes in the US). HDM barely over that counting all PS/3.

Gary

jimsch42 · 11-16-2007, 03:41 PM

To quote on of my all time favs: "Why don't you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don't you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don't you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?"

navychop · 11-16-2007, 04:46 PM

Patience, my son. I suspect you will have a different outlook by the time April rolls around.

BTW, there are maybe 700,000 or so devices out there that can play HD DVDs. That is nothing. It is not remotely enough to be entrenched forever. Or even for 3 years from now.

And, just to put a cherry atop the whipped cream, the studios might not be the determinants. Retailers have a stake in this. It costs them money for stocking, tracking, etc. They want one format. And more of them might just drop HD DVD. That process has already started.

glenn22 · 11-16-2007, 04:56 PM

Either there will be one format, or both will eventually die to be replaced by something completely different.

BTBuck1 · 11-17-2007, 02:17 AM

I think whoever has a sizable advantage 3-5 years from now in HDM will win the war. DVD has legs left in it, and until people go into BBY and DVD players are all but non existent, they will continue to buy them. And why wouldn't they? Do they even know that DVD's aren't HD? Probably not...Hell until about 6 years ago, I thought DVD looked better than the theater

Unless you take a serious interest in this stuff (like we do) it just doesn't matter much to the average person. I think the eventuality will be BD continues to gain more and more market via ps3 and it's stand alones. We'll probably get to a point where 70:30 becomes quite normal for weekly software sales, and not "A big week" like it is now. Eventually someone, either Warner, Uni, Paramount will sway...either Neutral or altogether.

What i see happening in the next 3-5 years is BD players eventually replacing DVD players, or coming so close in cost that many people buy BD players to play existing libraries. Once they have the hardware in place, the curiosity will yield purchases, and I think even the average person will notice a significant difference, and going forward pay the extra $5-$9 for a High def version of the movie they are interested in.

This is just how I think it will all unfold. I am guessing DVD still has plenty of life left in it. And I think studios know this too. They don't want to necessarily replace DVD, they want to bring in supplementary sales In addition to. If you doubt this, then ask yourself, why does even Sony heavily advertise new releases on DVD....why not just advert the BD?

tru2blu707 · 11-17-2007, 06:32 PM

this time next year....your frustration will be completely washed away

jsteinhauer · 11-17-2007, 11:43 PM

Hilarious story.

My father, with whom I have not spoken in well over a year, has, according to my sister, just gone out and purchased his first DVD player. It is a combo DVD VHS player.

Because of a long, tragic series of bad decisions, he is now retired and sitting home all day long watching television. Everytime he sees a free instructional DVD offer on the tube, he sends for it (he's gonna do some learnin'

). There are lots of guys like him, you know. It's going to be a long haul.

lateralus85 · 11-18-2007, 02:11 PM

As soon as universal goes neutral, check Ebay, cause hd-dvd movies will be going dirt cheap.

Then the dub fans will be yelling out 'look how cheap our movies are on ebay'
Of course than fan base would be small cause they will be holding onto their words 'hd-dvd will win'

Dont get frustrated. When warners new bunch of blu rays come out, it will feel oh so good.

Bring on Batman Begins on blu damnit.

navychop · 11-18-2007, 05:06 PM

Do you think the guys in the LaserDisc clubs will let in the HD DVD guys as members?

SNAP · 11-18-2007, 10:02 PM

Yes..........there's only 25 members in the club I'm in..........and no talk of format wars......acyually not much talk of anything.....lol.

Quote:

Originally Posted by navychop

Do you think the guys in the LaserDisc clubs will let in the HD DVD guys as members?

Deciazulado · 11-18-2007, 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by navychop

Do you think the guys in the LaserDisc clubs will let in the HD DVD guys as members?

No way. HD DVD guys will go to the VHS pan scan club

SNAP · 11-18-2007, 10:38 PM

LMAO.....Then to Selectavision CED club.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deciazulado

No way. HD DVD guys will go to the VHS pan scan club

Kirsty_Mc · 11-19-2007, 01:35 AM

The only thing I find frustrating is that Toshiba and their backers

are continuing to flog a dead horse. It definitely looks to all intents and purposes a spoiler action. Try to kill of BD so MS can foist DRM heavy downloads on us all.

corduroygt · 11-19-2007, 01:50 AM

Just hang on there, the BD ALLIANCE can't lose. They are just trying to win this war with minimal impact on their profits vs. Poshiba who's dumping millions that they will NEVER get back.
But if you find a sub-100 player, get it and just rent until the war is over if you can't wait. That's what I would do if I could get one of those A2's for that price before they sold out. I will never spend any money on HD DVD's.

Deciazulado · 11-19-2007, 02:07 AM

You think it's frustrating, try think how mods feel when we have to read every post (well we try

) and see all that's going on and we see people one day jumping of joy and the other being FUDedly afraid. First, relax, we're not the ones that to "win" have to arrange a whole network of FUD tacticians and infect the world wide net. You know what I've been receiving lately? mails from conservationists forwarding HD DVD FUD mails they receive. Someone out there wants HDM to fail and fail big. But in the meantime we can watch Cars looking better than it looked on any movie screen, no lint, no scratches, no print grain, no projector jitter, no non-trained "projectionist" focusing badly on the seventy spliced trailers and going to surf on his laptop while you watch the movie, just purely rendered pixels. You bought into a GREAT system, and there are 400+ titles to chose from in barely more than a year so relax and enjoy and keep supporting it and showing off to your friends and family, co-workers and strangers. Just the other day I stood a friend 7 feet IN front of a Panasonic 103" plasma playing a Blu-ray and said: see why I like Blu-ray so much? as my friend gasped.

Just a look at that, and I know we'll have Cinemas in our homes and BDs for a long time. 2 million discs will begat 4, 4 will begat 8, show it and they will come.

11-16-2007, 03:06 PM	#1
memebras Member Top contributor Member since:Apr 2007	frustation about this battle it hurts me to say but i think there is no winning or loosing anytime soon guys, both formats will stay forever, that's it! Way TOO many units sold, way too many discs sold for them to just announce, sorry everybody, drop your hd discs in the recyble bin.. we're going out of business.. if you think this is same as vhs and beta, where vhs won, not a chance.. HD CEO, owners, associates, creators, affiliates, whatever, will never bow down and say i'm sorry, lets start producing universal blu rays.. NEVER gonna happen, simple as that.. Watch the battle from a different prospective, not as a die-hard-blu-ray-fan, and put yourself in their shoes, after everything that went through, even after that shame bribery or whatever-you-call-it with paramount will you as a HD ceo or representative come forward and say we're sorry, we give up. We'll no longer produce HD dvds.. Eventually maybe microsoft might create a phenomenal HD Xbox to continue competing or not, and then playstation will create another much better playstation, maybe something called blustation.. LOL But the bottom line is, sorry to say, although blu ray has won this battle fair and square, from what i see day-after-day-basis HD is here to stay 4 a very long time! Unless warner starts releasing blu ray ONLY, which never gonna happen ..thats why i dont see hd shutting its factory anytime soon.. what you guys think, sincerely..

11-16-2007, 03:28 PM	#3
dialog_gvf Moderator Member since:Nov 2006 Location:Toronto Blu-ray collection:320	I think there is ample evidence to show the general consumer won't adopt until they are sure their choice will be around for many, many years. So, either all studios start releasing on a format, or it will stagnate. It is said LaserDisc reached 2% penetration (about 2 million homes in the US). HDM barely over that counting all PS/3. Gary Last edited by dialog_gvf; 11-16-2007 at 03:31 PM.

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11-16-2007, 03:23 PM	#2
JTK Blu-ray Knight Member since:Jan 2006 Location:www.blurayoasis.com	I think you've fallen for some FUD my friend.

11-16-2007, 03:41 PM	#4
jimsch42 Member Member since:Aug 2007 Location:Ohio	To quote on of my all time favs: "Why don't you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don't you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don't you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?"

11-16-2007, 04:46 PM	#5
navychop Active Member Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Northern VA	Patience, my son. I suspect you will have a different outlook by the time April rolls around. BTW, there are maybe 700,000 or so devices out there that can play HD DVDs. That is nothing. It is not remotely enough to be entrenched forever. Or even for 3 years from now. And, just to put a cherry atop the whipped cream, the studios might not be the determinants. Retailers have a stake in this. It costs them money for stocking, tracking, etc. They want one format. And more of them might just drop HD DVD. That process has already started.

11-16-2007, 04:56 PM	#6
glenn22 Power Member Member since:Aug 2007 Location:Vancouver, Canada	Either there will be one format, or both will eventually die to be replaced by something completely different.

11-17-2007, 02:17 AM	#7
BTBuck1 Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Jun 2006 Location:Oceanside, CA. Blu-ray collection:507 DVD collection:1	I think whoever has a sizable advantage 3-5 years from now in HDM will win the war. DVD has legs left in it, and until people go into BBY and DVD players are all but non existent, they will continue to buy them. And why wouldn't they? Do they even know that DVD's aren't HD? Probably not...Hell until about 6 years ago, I thought DVD looked better than the theater Unless you take a serious interest in this stuff (like we do) it just doesn't matter much to the average person. I think the eventuality will be BD continues to gain more and more market via ps3 and it's stand alones. We'll probably get to a point where 70:30 becomes quite normal for weekly software sales, and not "A big week" like it is now. Eventually someone, either Warner, Uni, Paramount will sway...either Neutral or altogether. What i see happening in the next 3-5 years is BD players eventually replacing DVD players, or coming so close in cost that many people buy BD players to play existing libraries. Once they have the hardware in place, the curiosity will yield purchases, and I think even the average person will notice a significant difference, and going forward pay the extra $5-$9 for a High def version of the movie they are interested in. This is just how I think it will all unfold. I am guessing DVD still has plenty of life left in it. And I think studios know this too. They don't want to necessarily replace DVD, they want to bring in supplementary sales In addition to. If you doubt this, then ask yourself, why does even Sony heavily advertise new releases on DVD....why not just advert the BD?

11-17-2007, 06:32 PM	#8
tru2blu707 Senior Member Member since:Oct 2007	this time next year....your frustration will be completely washed away

11-17-2007, 11:43 PM	#9
jsteinhauer Gaming Moderator Member since:Aug 2007 Blu-ray reviews:120 Trading Score:66	Hilarious story. My father, with whom I have not spoken in well over a year, has, according to my sister, just gone out and purchased his first DVD player. It is a combo DVD VHS player. Because of a long, tragic series of bad decisions, he is now retired and sitting home all day long watching television. Everytime he sees a free instructional DVD offer on the tube, he sends for it (he's gonna do some learnin' ). There are lots of guys like him, you know. It's going to be a long haul.

11-18-2007, 02:11 PM	#10
lateralus85 Active Member Member since:Nov 2007	As soon as universal goes neutral, check Ebay, cause hd-dvd movies will be going dirt cheap. Then the dub fans will be yelling out 'look how cheap our movies are on ebay' Of course than fan base would be small cause they will be holding onto their words 'hd-dvd will win' Dont get frustrated. When warners new bunch of blu rays come out, it will feel oh so good. Bring on Batman Begins on blu damnit.

11-18-2007, 05:06 PM	#11
navychop Active Member Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Northern VA	Do you think the guys in the LaserDisc clubs will let in the HD DVD guys as members?

11-19-2007, 01:35 AM	#15
Kirsty_Mc Power Member Top contributor Member since:Oct 2007 Location:UK Blu-ray collection:536 Blu-ray reviews: 21	The only thing I find frustrating is that Toshiba and their backers are continuing to flog a dead horse. It definitely looks to all intents and purposes a spoiler action. Try to kill of BD so MS can foist DRM heavy downloads on us all.

11-19-2007, 01:50 AM	#16
corduroygt Member Member since:Oct 2007	Just hang on there, the BD ALLIANCE can't lose. They are just trying to win this war with minimal impact on their profits vs. Poshiba who's dumping millions that they will NEVER get back. But if you find a sub-100 player, get it and just rent until the war is over if you can't wait. That's what I would do if I could get one of those A2's for that price before they sold out. I will never spend any money on HD DVD's.

11-19-2007, 02:07 AM	#17
Deciazulado Site Manager Top contributor Member since:Aug 2006 Location:USiberia Home Theater Gallery:6 4K collection:1159 Blu-ray collection:7044 DVD collection:4040	You think it's frustrating, try think how mods feel when we have to read every post (well we try ) and see all that's going on and we see people one day jumping of joy and the other being FUDedly afraid. First, relax, we're not the ones that to "win" have to arrange a whole network of FUD tacticians and infect the world wide net. You know what I've been receiving lately? mails from conservationists forwarding HD DVD FUD mails they receive. Someone out there wants HDM to fail and fail big. But in the meantime we can watch Cars looking better than it looked on any movie screen, no lint, no scratches, no print grain, no projector jitter, no non-trained "projectionist" focusing badly on the seventy spliced trailers and going to surf on his laptop while you watch the movie, just purely rendered pixels. You bought into a GREAT system, and there are 400+ titles to chose from in barely more than a year so relax and enjoy and keep supporting it and showing off to your friends and family, co-workers and strangers. Just the other day I stood a friend 7 feet IN front of a Panasonic 103" plasma playing a Blu-ray and said: see why I like Blu-ray so much? as my friend gasped. Just a look at that, and I know we'll have Cinemas in our homes and BDs for a long time. 2 million discs will begat 4, 4 will begat 8, show it and they will come.

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