Is Sony stupid? - Blu-ray Forum

yspkrk · 12-21-2007, 06:44 PM

PS3 seems like the best (or better) BD player with fast loading, no hiccups and easy updating (it's now all profile 1.1 player!). Ironically, however, other Sony standalone players have some problems and are only 1.0 players.
I'm wondering why Sony doesn't make a standalone player like a PS3 with the same advantages that PS3 has. They just can simply remodel PS3 to make a nice standalone player. All they have to do is simply change the panel/cover of PS3. It's like making a BD player with the heart of PS3. Why don't they do that? I just don't understand.

Am I too smart or too stupid?

Whyser · 12-21-2007, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by yspkrk

PS3 seems like the best (or better) BD player with fast loading, no hiccups and easy updating (it's now all profile 1.1 player!). Ironically, however, other Sony standalone players have some problems and are only 1.0 players.
I'm wondering why Sony doesn't make a standalone player like a PS3 with the same advantages that PS3 has. They just can simply remodel PS3 to make a nice standalone player. All they have to do is simply change the panel/cover of PS3. It's like making a BD player with the heart of PS3. Why don't they do that? I just don't understand.

Am I too smart or too stupid?

Biggest reason: PS3 loses a lot of money per console sold. BD stand-alone players... not so much.

bageleaterkkjji · 12-21-2007, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by yspkrk

Am I too smart or too stupid?

i would go with the second one...lol jk i thought the same thing along time ago

Bluray_ne1 · 12-21-2007, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by yspkrk

PS3 seems like the best (or better) BD player with fast loading, no hiccups and easy updating (it's now all profile 1.1 player!). Ironically, however, other Sony standalone players have some problems and are only 1.0 players.
I'm wondering why Sony doesn't make a standalone player like a PS3 with the same advantages that PS3 has. They just can simply remodel PS3 to make a nice standalone player. All they have to do is simply change the panel/cover of PS3. It's like making a BD player with the heart of PS3. Why don't they do that? I just don't understand.

Am I too smart or too stupid?

Too smart...why Sony isn't, I don't know. I've wondered this for a while myself. Why do the stand alones not work as smoothly as the PS3?

johnnymech · 12-21-2007, 06:47 PM

Sony's Cell processor is too expensive to put in stand alone Blu-ray players. You can't "simply remodel" a PS3 or it wouldn't be a PS3 anymore.

J6P · 12-21-2007, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by yspkrk

PS3 seems like the best (or better) BD player with fast loading, no hiccups and easy updating (it's now all profile 1.1 player!). Ironically, however, other Sony standalone players have some problems and are only 1.0 players.
I'm wondering why Sony doesn't make a standalone player like a PS3 with the same advantages that PS3 has. They just can simply remodel PS3 to make a nice standalone player. All they have to do is simply change the panel/cover of PS3. It's like making a BD player with the heart of PS3. Why don't they do that? I just don't understand.

Am I too smart or too stupid?

No, not stupid. The things that make the PS3 the fastest loading and most easily updated player are its massive amount of processing power and RAM, and its internet functionality. Those are the expensive bits. If you put all of that in a square box and call it a dedicated player, it's still going to cost as much as a PS3 to produce.

I'm looking forward to what Sony has up their sleeve at CES. Not long to wait now!

mystiksuicide · 12-21-2007, 06:50 PM

One idea they really do need to implement on ALL Blu-Ray players is some sort of Wi-Fi or an easier way to do firmware upgrades.

Cris tells me half the time people return a blu players is due to the fact they can't figure it out. Something has to be done to make firmware updates alot easier for those not computer friendly. We plan on buying his dad a PS3 simply because the wi-fi built in.

androvsky · 12-21-2007, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by yspkrk

PS3 seems like the best (or better) BD player with fast loading, no hiccups and easy updating (it's now all profile 1.1 player!). Ironically, however, other Sony standalone players have some problems and are only 1.0 players.
I'm wondering why Sony doesn't make a standalone player like a PS3 with the same advantages that PS3 has. They just can simply remodel PS3 to make a nice standalone player. All they have to do is simply change the panel/cover of PS3. It's like making a BD player with the heart of PS3. Why don't they do that? I just don't understand.

Am I too smart or too stupid?

Sony loses money on PS3s, they only get the money back by selling licensed games. Selling a blu-ray only player with PS3 hardware inside it would be nuts.

WarCraft · 12-21-2007, 06:55 PM

My take is that they dont want to alienate other SLA manufacturers by bringing a "better" player that will trounce other SLAs.
That would basically make people just buy Sony if it flat out beats everyone else.

Rustmonsteru · 12-21-2007, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by mystiksuicide

One idea they really do need to implement on ALL Blu-Ray players is some sort of Wi-Fi or an easier way to do firmware upgrades.

Cris tells me half the time people return a blu players is due to the fact they can't figure it out. Something has to be done to make firmware updates alot easier for those not computer friendly. We plan on buying his dad a PS3 simply because the wi-fi built in.

I'm hoping the Denon 2500 or 3800 has Wi-Fi; I have the 4308CI reciever and it is. They'ld make a nice pair.

SpikesBluBlooded · 12-21-2007, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by mystiksuicide

One idea they really do need to implement on ALL Blu-Ray players is some sort of Wi-Fi or an easier way to do firmware upgrades.

Cris tells me half the time people return a blu players is due to the fact they can't figure it out. Something has to be done to make firmware updates alot easier for those not computer friendly. We plan on buying his dad a PS3 simply because the wi-fi built in.

Not to piss off my favorite forum girl, but in today's day-and-age, it's either time to catch up with being tech knowledgable (at least know how to use the internet and your DVD burner) or just give up altogether. That sounds harsh, but there are 5 year-olds I know that have a very rudimentary understanding of how computers work and can at least navigate to get to their programs. Hell, my 84 year-old grandmother produces her own Christmas cards on her computer...

I'm sorry, I'm not trying to be an ass-monkey, but it's the 21st Century, and it's time to catch up. All this said, I agree, though, that wi-fi definitely needs to be added to make the firmware updates easier.

SpikesBluBlooded · 12-21-2007, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by WarCraft

My take is that they dont want to alienate other SLA manufacturers by bringing a "better" player that will trounce other SLAs.
That would basically make people just buy Sony if it flat out beats everyone else.

I disagree. It would make the other manufacturers step-up their game to keep their market share. That's the beauty of a free-market society: competition drives advancement... That's why we have Blu-ray instead of just being stuck with HD DVD.

cawgijoe · 12-21-2007, 07:27 PM

Add wi-fi. I agree.

mystiksuicide · 12-21-2007, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by SpikesBluBlooded

Not to piss off my favorite forum girl, but in today's day-and-age, it's either time to catch up with being tech knowledgable (at least know how to use the internet and your DVD burner) or just give up altogether. That sounds harsh, but there are 5 year-olds I know that have a very rudimentary understanding of how computers work and can at least navigate to get to their programs. Hell, my 84 year-old grandmother produces her own Christmas cards on her computer...

I'm sorry, I'm not trying to be an ass-monkey, but it's the 21st Century, and it's time to catch up. All this said, I agree, though, that wi-fi definitely needs to be added to make the firmware updates easier.

Yes there is no doubt a 5 year old could it but what about those that where born before the computer age? Are we going to tell them your money or support is not needed? You have many over 50 that want blu have the time and money to own blu but wont because they can't figure it out.

Wi-Fi would solve 90% of the problems. As to the Denon blu player I heard the price is $3500.00 could that be true?

DealsR4theDevil · 12-21-2007, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by yspkrk

PS3 seems like the best (or better) BD player with fast loading, no hiccups and easy updating (it's now all profile 1.1 player!). Ironically, however, other Sony standalone players have some problems and are only 1.0 players.
I'm wondering why Sony doesn't make a standalone player like a PS3 with the same advantages that PS3 has. They just can simply remodel PS3 to make a nice standalone player. All they have to do is simply change the panel/cover of PS3. It's like making a BD player with the heart of PS3. Why don't they do that? I just don't understand.

Am I too smart or too stupid?

The real question is not why Sony doesn't make a standalone player like a PS3 with the same advantages that a PS3 has. The real question is why ANYONE would buy a standalone over a PS3!

kjack · 12-21-2007, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by androvsky

Selling a blu-ray only player with PS3 hardware inside it would be nuts.

And very power hungry. There are new energy consumption rules that various types of CE products must now meet.

Petra_Kalbrain · 12-21-2007, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by WarCraft

My take is that they dont want to alienate other SLA manufacturers by bringing a "better" player that will trounce other SLAs.
That would basically make people just buy Sony if it flat out beats everyone else.

But, when you think about it, your argument, as you stated it, is a conundrum all its own. After all, the PS3 is a "better" player that IS trouncing other SLAs.

monkyman · 12-21-2007, 08:15 PM

It's pretty simple, you either want low cost machines to combat HD DVD or you want a higher priced machine. Yes Sony loses money on the PS3, but makes it up on $50 games. Stand alones were not designed to lose money (except Toshiba, which is why no one else wants to produce a HD DVD player) As to the OP first comments, What problems with stand alones? Mine works great. If I had to pay an extra $200-300 dollars just to get the movie to load faster, guess what? I wouldn't. And as for firmware, the free discs are only a phone call away if you can't figure out how to download.

All in all, don't forget the PS3 is only a YEAR old, BD is a baby, better, faster players will come. Within a year all these players will be obsolete.

jsteinhauer · 12-21-2007, 11:33 PM

I don't know this, but I suspect that Sony is betting on the fact the video games have become more popular than movies (actually saw this on DiscoveryHD the other night). Why invest and take risk on products that are bound to do more poorly (or less well) than a game console? They are very smart. Even if BD does fail, they still benefit from the games. What does Toshiba get, if HDDVD fails? I must admit, it frustrates me, as well. I want a high quality, cutting edge maching that was designed and created with the sole purpose of playing movies.

BadAss · 12-21-2007, 11:41 PM

The funny thing is at the moment we have a games console thats doubles as a Blu-ray player. In the future we'll see Blu-ray players that double as game machines. The two technologies will become a blur.

We've only just started to see the true potential of Blu-ray in terms of interactivity.

It's a scarey time for other CE companies because as the PS3 comes down in price it makes it harder for stand alones to compete. If the Cell processor can do 1080p, Dual streams PiP, True-HD, DTS-MA and more, who's to say Sony them selves wouldn't release a Cell based stand alone?

Maybe the first Cell incarnation is little power hungry at the moment, but within a year or two Toshiba will reduce the die size and be pumping these chips out for a fraction of the price. I'm sure Sigma and other SoC designers will be doing their best to make their solutions even cheaper.

12-21-2007, 06:44 PM	#1
yspkrk Senior Member Top contributor Member since:Oct 2007 Location:Seoul, Korea / California, US 4K collection:18 Blu-ray collection:1494 DVD collection:67 Blu-ray reviews:18 Trading Score:1	Is Sony stupid? PS3 seems like the best (or better) BD player with fast loading, no hiccups and easy updating (it's now all profile 1.1 player!). Ironically, however, other Sony standalone players have some problems and are only 1.0 players. I'm wondering why Sony doesn't make a standalone player like a PS3 with the same advantages that PS3 has. They just can simply remodel PS3 to make a nice standalone player. All they have to do is simply change the panel/cover of PS3. It's like making a BD player with the heart of PS3. Why don't they do that? I just don't understand. Am I too smart or too stupid?

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12-21-2007, 06:47 PM	#5
johnnymech Active Member Member since:Nov 2007 Location:Eastern, USA 4K collection:22 Blu-ray collection:577 DVD collection:633 Blu-ray reviews:4	Sony's Cell processor is too expensive to put in stand alone Blu-ray players. You can't "simply remodel" a PS3 or it wouldn't be a PS3 anymore.

12-21-2007, 06:50 PM	#7
mystiksuicide Blu-ray Guru Member since:Sep 2007 Location:Miami Blu-ray collection:305 Blu-ray reviews:27	One idea they really do need to implement on ALL Blu-Ray players is some sort of Wi-Fi or an easier way to do firmware upgrades. Cris tells me half the time people return a blu players is due to the fact they can't figure it out. Something has to be done to make firmware updates alot easier for those not computer friendly. We plan on buying his dad a PS3 simply because the wi-fi built in.

12-21-2007, 06:55 PM	#9
WarCraft Active Member Member since:Oct 2007	My take is that they dont want to alienate other SLA manufacturers by bringing a "better" player that will trounce other SLAs. That would basically make people just buy Sony if it flat out beats everyone else.

12-21-2007, 07:27 PM	#13
cawgijoe Special Member Member since:Feb 2007 Trading Score:1	Add wi-fi. I agree.

12-21-2007, 08:15 PM	#18
monkyman Special Member Member since:Jun 2007	It's pretty simple, you either want low cost machines to combat HD DVD or you want a higher priced machine. Yes Sony loses money on the PS3, but makes it up on $50 games. Stand alones were not designed to lose money (except Toshiba, which is why no one else wants to produce a HD DVD player) As to the OP first comments, What problems with stand alones? Mine works great. If I had to pay an extra $200-300 dollars just to get the movie to load faster, guess what? I wouldn't. And as for firmware, the free discs are only a phone call away if you can't figure out how to download. All in all, don't forget the PS3 is only a YEAR old, BD is a baby, better, faster players will come. Within a year all these players will be obsolete.

12-21-2007, 11:33 PM	#19
jsteinhauer Gaming Moderator Member since:Aug 2007 Blu-ray reviews:120 Trading Score:66	I don't know this, but I suspect that Sony is betting on the fact the video games have become more popular than movies (actually saw this on DiscoveryHD the other night). Why invest and take risk on products that are bound to do more poorly (or less well) than a game console? They are very smart. Even if BD does fail, they still benefit from the games. What does Toshiba get, if HDDVD fails? I must admit, it frustrates me, as well. I want a high quality, cutting edge maching that was designed and created with the sole purpose of playing movies.

12-21-2007, 11:41 PM	#20
BadAss Senior Member Member since:Feb 2007 Location:England 4K collection:63 Blu-ray collection:63	The funny thing is at the moment we have a games console thats doubles as a Blu-ray player. In the future we'll see Blu-ray players that double as game machines. The two technologies will become a blur. We've only just started to see the true potential of Blu-ray in terms of interactivity. It's a scarey time for other CE companies because as the PS3 comes down in price it makes it harder for stand alones to compete. If the Cell processor can do 1080p, Dual streams PiP, True-HD, DTS-MA and more, who's to say Sony them selves wouldn't release a Cell based stand alone? Maybe the first Cell incarnation is little power hungry at the moment, but within a year or two Toshiba will reduce the die size and be pumping these chips out for a fraction of the price. I'm sure Sigma and other SoC designers will be doing their best to make their solutions even cheaper.

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