When will Toshiba finally admit defeat? - Blu-ray Forum

Tok · 11-30-2007, 07:29 PM

I think it is time for Toshiba to look at throwing in the towel. They have lost so much ground since the PS3 was released and the longer they continue to deny that HD DVD failed, the more they hurt the chances of HDM mass adoption.

I would think the BF ratio is key that HD DVD has lost and all we keep hearing from the HD DVD backers at AVS and other sympathetic sites, is that sales will turn around here and things will change soon. It is always ends up being should of, could of, would of....

Just admit it, Toshiba, you lost, concede and let's all move forward.

My guess is we will hear a major change in Warner release policy by the end of January which will give Toshiba no choice but to concede at that point.

JAGUAR1977 · 11-30-2007, 07:31 PM

Not sure about Toshiba, but the formats owners are in self destruct mode right now, HDD's forum is a laugh a minute, all reasons gone out of the window, lol.

haushausman · 11-30-2007, 07:34 PM

Not until they make up some of that $150 million they gave to Paramount

They're probably just trying to break even at this point..

Tok · 11-30-2007, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by haushausman

Not until they make up some of that $150 million they gave to Paramount

They're probably just trying to break even at this point..

Is it even possible to break even at this point? At some point you have to cut your losses and take the write-off.

Spankey · 11-30-2007, 07:34 PM

I mentioned before that Toshiba is not in full corporate spite mode. They will stay in this as long as they can to either ensure a stalemate or no victory by Blu. If Warner goes exclusive and Universal goes neutral only then we will be at the end game.

stockstar1138 · 11-30-2007, 07:39 PM

toshiba will admit defeat when its stockholders demand it and heads start rolling off their board of directors. given payoffs to universal and paramount, like 10 free movies with every heavily subsidized player, r&d on stupid things like TL-51, you gotta figure they lost close to a billion dollars this year.

Beta-guy · 11-30-2007, 07:45 PM

I don't believe they ever will admit failure, they will release a dual format player and that'll be the last you hear about the format war from them, 2 years after the format war Toshiba will release a BD only player (if there is a cost differance) and thier PR Machine will try to repair any damage caused by the format war. that's how I see it playing out anyways...

davidPS3 · 12-01-2007, 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Beta-guy

I don't believe they ever will admit failure, they will release a dual format player and that'll be the last you hear about the format war from them, 2 years after the format war Toshiba will release a BD only player (if there is a cost differance) and thier PR Machine will try to repair any damage caused by the format war. that's how I see it playing out anyways...

I agree, I think they will fade into the background for a while and then come out supporting Blu down the road. It is going to take them a while to admit defeat if they ever do?

Cyorg · 11-30-2007, 07:33 PM

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When will Toshiba finally admit defeat?

Monday at 11:42am Pacific time. They will be bringing four white towels to the press conference; one each for Toshiba, Microsoft, Universal, and Paramount to throw.
At the press conferece, after he has thrown his towel, the CEO of Toshiba will kill himself with a Samurai sword.

monkeytap · 11-30-2007, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Cyorg

Monday at 11:42am Pacific time. They will be bringing four white towels to the press conference; one each for Toshiba, Microsoft, Universal, and Paramount to throw.
At the press conferece, after he has thrown his towel, the CEO of Toshiba will kill himself with a Samurai sword.

getting my popcorn ready.....

SDG · 11-30-2007, 08:08 PM

I think that when you start seeing them dumping players for, say $99.00. I think thats when they will be planing to get out of the market.

CptGreedle · 11-30-2007, 08:12 PM

I think they will have to commit seppuku first. At least Toshiba.

But really, they will keep in this as long as possible, but they will have to concede sometime in 2008 if WB does indeed go Blu.

sj001 · 11-30-2007, 08:14 PM

...when M$ stops paying them under the table to perpetuate this war.

cleric · 11-30-2007, 08:14 PM

Obviously this will go on a long time until something like WB happens or Triple layers or something BIG.

$150 million is a drop in the bucket compared to what Sony spends put that to rest please.

w_tanoto · 11-30-2007, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Cyorg

Monday at 11:42am Pacific time. They will be bringing four white towels to the press conference; one each for Toshiba, Microsoft, Universal, and Paramount to throw.
At the press conferece, after he has thrown his towel, the CEO of Toshiba will kill himself with a Samurai sword.

hara kiri?

Rustmonsteru · 11-30-2007, 09:11 PM

When will Toshiba admit defeat?

When hell freezes over and pigs fly.

It's not going to happen anytime soon; They're out for blood. Expect kamikaze attacks soon.

BoogalooShrimp · 11-30-2007, 09:53 PM

I get the feeling that Toshiba is going to adopt the same strategy that Japan did in WW2 which is to fight until every last soldier is dead and never surrender (to the detriment of the world around them). Anything short of 2 atomic bombs or the use of logic will not convince HD-DVD to go away. Reason has completely gone out the window for the HD-DVD group and its followers. I've been following this war since HD-DVD launched and they've gone through quite a roller coaster ride. It wasn't so long ago that HD-DVD was winning convincingly and Blu-Ray stumbled out of the gate with a disastrous introduction. Now the tables have completely turned and all the smack that they talked a year and a half ago has come back to bite them. I respect their passion and dedication but at the same time I think they should throw in the towel before they end up like Apollo Creed in Rocky IV.

flynho_PS3 · 11-30-2007, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by BoogalooShrimp

I get the feeling that Toshiba is going to adopt the same strategy that Japan did in WW2 which is to fight until every last soldier is dead and never surrender (to the detriment of the world around them). Anything short of 2 atomic bombs or the use of logic will not convince HD-DVD to go away. Reason has completely gone out the window for the HD-DVD group and its followers. I've been following this war since HD-DVD launched and they've gone through quite a roller coaster ride. It wasn't so long ago that HD-DVD was winning convincingly and Blu-Ray stumbled out of the gate with a disastrous introduction. Now the tables have completely turned and all the smack that they talked a year and a half ago has come back to bite them. I respect their passion and dedication but at the same time I think they should throw in the towel before they end up like Apollo Creed in Rocky IV.

kami kaze....it's part of their culture no matter what they do if their reputation is at stake and they know seing ice berg ahead, they'd rather do it (to regain the last ounce of humanity) than to live life with shame...
the fat lady is clearing up her throat ready to sing her final song before we know it....

Cyorg · 11-30-2007, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by w_tanoto

hara kiri?

hara-kiri, or seppuku, or really painful shit.

darkpoet25 · 12-01-2007, 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by w_tanoto

hara kiri?

'Yes that's exactly what I said! Now get your brother and clean up this mess.'

11-30-2007, 07:29 PM	#1
Tok Blu-ray Guru Top contributor Member since:Oct 2007 4K collection:1009 Blu-ray collection:1821 DVD collection:1 Blu-ray reviews:5	When will Toshiba finally admit defeat? I think it is time for Toshiba to look at throwing in the towel. They have lost so much ground since the PS3 was released and the longer they continue to deny that HD DVD failed, the more they hurt the chances of HDM mass adoption. I would think the BF ratio is key that HD DVD has lost and all we keep hearing from the HD DVD backers at AVS and other sympathetic sites, is that sales will turn around here and things will change soon. It is always ends up being should of, could of, would of.... Just admit it, Toshiba, you lost, concede and let's all move forward. My guess is we will hear a major change in Warner release policy by the end of January which will give Toshiba no choice but to concede at that point.

11-30-2007, 07:31 PM	#2
JAGUAR1977 Special Member Member since:Aug 2007 Blu-ray reviews:1	Not sure about Toshiba, but the formats owners are in self destruct mode right now, HDD's forum is a laugh a minute, all reasons gone out of the window, lol. Last edited by JAGUAR1977; 11-30-2007 at 07:35 PM.

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11-30-2007, 07:34 PM	#3
haushausman Special Member Member since:Jan 2007 Location:Chicago Home Theater Gallery:12 Blu-ray collection:343 Blu-ray reviews: 5	Not until they make up some of that $150 million they gave to Paramount They're probably just trying to break even at this point..

11-30-2007, 07:34 PM	#5
Spankey Power Member Member since:Oct 2006	I mentioned before that Toshiba is not in full corporate spite mode. They will stay in this as long as they can to either ensure a stalemate or no victory by Blu. If Warner goes exclusive and Universal goes neutral only then we will be at the end game.

11-30-2007, 07:39 PM	#6
stockstar1138 Banned Member since:Apr 2007	toshiba will admit defeat when its stockholders demand it and heads start rolling off their board of directors. given payoffs to universal and paramount, like 10 free movies with every heavily subsidized player, r&d on stupid things like TL-51, you gotta figure they lost close to a billion dollars this year.

11-30-2007, 07:45 PM	#7
Beta-guy Expert Member Member since:Jul 2007 Blu-ray collection:23 Blu-ray reviews:1	I don't believe they ever will admit failure, they will release a dual format player and that'll be the last you hear about the format war from them, 2 years after the format war Toshiba will release a BD only player (if there is a cost differance) and thier PR Machine will try to repair any damage caused by the format war. that's how I see it playing out anyways...

11-30-2007, 08:08 PM	#11
SDG Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Sep 2007 Location:Arkansas	I think that when you start seeing them dumping players for, say $99.00. I think thats when they will be planing to get out of the market.

11-30-2007, 08:12 PM	#12
CptGreedle Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Sworn super-hero now services Atlanta (and suburbs). Blu-ray collection:128 Blu-ray reviews:5	I think they will have to commit seppuku first. At least Toshiba. But really, they will keep in this as long as possible, but they will have to concede sometime in 2008 if WB does indeed go Blu.

11-30-2007, 08:14 PM	#13
sj001 Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Aug 2007 Location:Rochester, NY Blu-ray collection:317 DVD collection:17 Trading Score:5	...when M$ stops paying them under the table to perpetuate this war.

11-30-2007, 08:14 PM	#14
cleric Member Member since:Nov 2007 Location:Reality	Obviously this will go on a long time until something like WB happens or Triple layers or something BIG. $150 million is a drop in the bucket compared to what Sony spends put that to rest please.

11-30-2007, 09:11 PM	#16
Rustmonsteru Expert Member Member since:Mar 2007	When will Toshiba admit defeat? When hell freezes over and pigs fly. It's not going to happen anytime soon; They're out for blood. Expect kamikaze attacks soon.

11-30-2007, 09:53 PM	#17
BoogalooShrimp Special Member Member since:Jan 2007 Location:Las Vegas, NV Blu-ray collection:454	I get the feeling that Toshiba is going to adopt the same strategy that Japan did in WW2 which is to fight until every last soldier is dead and never surrender (to the detriment of the world around them). Anything short of 2 atomic bombs or the use of logic will not convince HD-DVD to go away. Reason has completely gone out the window for the HD-DVD group and its followers. I've been following this war since HD-DVD launched and they've gone through quite a roller coaster ride. It wasn't so long ago that HD-DVD was winning convincingly and Blu-Ray stumbled out of the gate with a disastrous introduction. Now the tables have completely turned and all the smack that they talked a year and a half ago has come back to bite them. I respect their passion and dedication but at the same time I think they should throw in the towel before they end up like Apollo Creed in Rocky IV.

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