ATTN: Brian & All. Best Buy PS3 Plans.

[Jazar]

Looks like BBY is going to be pushing the PS3 real hard. I put this in General as it will be a tremendous push for BR technology.

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Sony Bravia 46" LCD
Sony 7.1 Component HT
Sony PS3 w/ 4 wireless controllers
2 Lazy-Z-Boys

Looks like there will be some gamers living in BBY next month.

[AV_Integrated]

I think the X360 is pretty crazy... remove kiosk, move to shelf display, add HD-DVD drive to shelf display.

Basically - shove it in a corner, the new kid on the block is coming to town. The Wii is definitely not getting close to the classy treatment the PS3 is getting either.

Gotta give it to Nintendo though... Since PS3 will be gone in 60 seconds, the Wii has the opportunity to sell out all of their units as well and equal, or best, PS3 for initial market penetration depending on how many units they have ready on launch day.

Pretty crazy stuff.

[Blackraven]

As long as the Wii and PS3 (both & respectively) send the X360 to the bottom of hell, then that would make me happy

[JTK]

Originally Posted by Blackraven

As long as the Wii and PS3 (both & respectively) send the X360 to the bottom of hell, then that would make me happy

Honestly, I'd rather see a tight, nasty three way console format war and here's why:

Competition forces and breeds more quality and hopefully lower prices.

I don't want ANY one company to predominate.

I want a repeat of the SNES vs. Sega Genesis wars, ramped up by about a thousand, and a three way this time.

Think about it.

[Jazar]

I agree. 33% marketshare for each of the big three.

[BTBuck1]

Interesting, but don't count on all stores having the Lazy Boy sofa's etc.
Differen't stores have different segmentation and as you folks probably have seen no two best buy really look identical anymore (unless their segment is the same) & there building is the same type IE, small market store...etc.

I think xbox360 has had a good run, it's been featured on an endcap promo for over a year and also been in our gaming pod since launch.
it's time it moved over for the new hotness. everyone by now has seen what xbox360 can do, it doesn't really need to prove itself anymore.
(just needs to prove it can last longer than 6 months without crashing)

Nintendo Wii shot itself in the foot when they decided against HD&Digital sound. so we might as well throw it on a crt tube with tv speakers, because as far as nintendo is concerned, thats how we play games...(friggin morans!) so IMO they deserve the "inline" treatment. You wanna play with the big boys Nintendo?...then you gotta get your weight up!
How lame is Wii gonna look when you see the ps3 in all it's glory pumpin 1080p, HD, Lossless audio and you get to relax on a sofa and game it up, then you have some dildo head standing up moving about holding a nunchucka over by the DS games staring at a 15" set with clock radio speakers blaring.

I can see the people on the sofa's looking over at the Wii players putting up an "L" to their forheads!

Lah-Whoo-Zah-HeyrrRR!!

Note;
As with xbox360...sony will alot most of it's ps3's to Best Buy
BBY will receive the lions share of ps3's as we did with xbox360 & PSP.
While walmarts had like 10, we had nearly 8 times what they had.

[JTK]

Originally Posted by Brian@BBY

Nintendo Wii shot itself in the foot when they decided against HD&Digital sound. so we might as well throw it on a crt tube with tv speakers, because as far as nintendo is concerned, thats how we play games...(friggin morans!) so IMO they deserve the "inline" treatment. You wanna play with the big boys Nintendo?...then you gotta get your weight up!
How lame is Wii gonna look when you see the ps3 in all it's glory pumpin 1080p, HD, Lossless audio and you get to relax on a sofa and game it up, then you have some dildo head standing up moving about holding a nunchucka over by the DS games staring at a 15" set with clock radio speakers blaring.

It's going to be pretty laughable.

To that end, though: I can't recommend the DS Lite enough to anyone who loves good games.

Price for pound: It's the best value for you dollar in gaming, hands down. All the DS games plus all the GBA games.

I can see the people on the sofa's looking over at the Wii players putting up an "L" to their forheads!

Lah-Whoo-Zah-HeyrrRR!!

Until they get down to substance.

Sony and MS are going to pump out a lot of these games that look and sound great, but they're going to be polished turds. Make no mistake about it.

This is where Nintendo is going to have an edge, and arguably always has: Quality over quantity, when talking about software and games.


I agree with you that they should have included HD and DD and all that. I would have easily paid the extra $50, at most, that those things would have required.


In the end: People buy Nintendo systems for the software and first party titles, above all else.

Believe me: There's nothing even remotely "loser-ish" about that new Zelda title forthcoming, for one example.

In fact, for a non HD game? That looks downright stunning.

And the $250 price tag is going to turn heads left and right.

So, no there nothing loserish going on here.

You seem to have a little Nintendo hate going on in some of your posts...

Don't underestimate them. Don't count them out. The virtually guarnateed PS3 shortages is going to be a short term boon (at least) for the Wii. Make no mistake about it.

[AV_Integrated]

Originally Posted by Brian@BBY

Note;
As with xbox360...sony will alot most of it's ps3's to Best Buy
BBY will receive the lions share of ps3's as we did with xbox360 & PSP.
While walmarts had like 10, we had nearly 8 times what they had.

I find that interesting... and somewhat questionable. (but have no proof of anything). Wal-Mart is the largest retail chain the country with about 3,000 locations. This is in comparison to BB with under 1,000.

The other big company? EB/GS/FL stores which, since they have all merged into a single company, now represent about 3,000 specialty gaming locations as well. That is - WalMart, GameStop, EB Games, and FuncoLand represent about 6,000 retail locations, while Best Buy represents under 1,000. So, while BB may actually (somehow) get an even split on the number of consoles sold, they will show higher numbers of those consoles at each store. Yet, if Wal-Mart and EB/GS/FL stores have shown high sales numbers in relation to BB, then those chains are far more likely to get more consoles at launch time.

I imagine, that the reality is that Sony will just pull a number out of a hat and say: "300,000 units for the 3 biggest retailers, split 3 ways - so 100K units each." Do the math and every BB could see about 100 units while Wal-Marts may only have 33 units per store. More realistically, that number will be lower as there are tons of other retailers who want a good number of consoles - especially CC.

[BTBuck1]

Originally Posted by JTK

It's going to be pretty laughable.

To that end, though: I can't recommend the DS Lite enough to anyone who loves good games.

Price for pound: It's the best value for you dollar in gaming, hands down. All the DS games plus all the GBA games.

Agreed, the DSlite is a great portable...however aside from New Supermario Bros...the re-hashed mario64, Mario Kart and Tetris...I see no point in owning this system anymore. I own the same 3 games I bought with the system:
*New Super mario (done)
*Tetris (still playing)
*Castelvania (played twice) <--Impulse buy

I see an eerily familiarity with my Gamecube, bought these games with the system:
*Metroid
*Mario Sunshine
*Mario Kart
*Star Fox
haven't bought a game since (except cars the movie game for my son)

The there was n64
*Mario64
*Killer Instinct Gold
*Mario Kart
Never bought a game after that.

With my SNES I was continually buying games as there was always something cool and exciting comming (had real 3rd party support) and the NES was the same way.

Until they get down to substance.

Sony and MS are going to pump out a lot of these games that look and sound great, but they're going to be polished turds. Make no mistake about it.

None of the games are out, so this is speculative and not fact.

This is where Nintendo is going to have an edge, and arguably always has: Quality over quantity, when talking about software and games.

Nintendo has been good with it's first party games, I agree. But they have also been very stubborn in changing. They continually release the same franchises over and over. And while this is there success, it has also brought them many failures. How many mario sports titles do we need? they pretty much all suck. Princess this, Yoshi that...if we are gonna rehash old franchises...bring em all back! Gyromite, Kid Icarus, Duck Hunt!

I agree with you that they should have included HD and DD and all that. I would have easily paid the extra $50, at most, that those things would have required.

I'd have even been okay with the 480p/16:9 mandatory as long as Dolby Digital was required or even an option!

In the end: People buy Nintendo systems for the software and first party titles, above all else.

True Dat!

Believe me: There's nothing even remotely "loser-ish" about that new Zelda title forthcoming, for one example.

It is when it looks exactly the same as the Gamecube version of the same title, only differences being the inclusion of the nunchucka. next gen should look next gen, not just require a different controller.

In fact, for a non HD game? That looks downright stunning.

Cut scenes look great, in game looks...meh, great by last gen standards.

And the $250 price tag is going to turn heads left and right.

only time will tell, i'll bet the line for these on launch day ismuch smaller than that of the xbox360's launch or even the ps3. I'd be willing to put a small wager it's on par with what we saw when the psp launched.

You seem to have a little Nintendo hate going on in some of your posts...

Don't underestimate them. Don't count them out. The virtually guarnateed PS3 shortages is going to be a short term boon (at least) for the Wii. Make no mistake about it.

I was once the Biggest "N" supporter around. I've owned all their systems except for the virtualboy. Nintendo has failed me on several occassions. First with letting down their excited public with the SNEScdrom which later became Playstation, failing by releasing another cartridge based system in the n64 of which got pummeled by their own partnered technology they chose to can. Then they release the GCN, and it's 3" and the comperable ps2 & xbox versions of games have more content. Then they lack in 3rd party support for two console generations. Now they release a last Gen console and call it "next gen" then as we like to call it here with sony being the king of double dipping...talk about nintendo!

how many versions of the Gameboy, Gameboy advance, And now Gameboy DS do we have to have? granted they are all improvements...but damn its frustrating when you buy the crap one first!

Nintendo just seems like they are out of touch from a marketing standpoint, but have scored some kick ass developers and the truth is, if those guys developed on other systems...those games would kick ass anywhere. but they don't so I guess if we want to see the old plummer getting busy or march Link over hirule then we have to buy nintendo! For me, i'm cool with what I got..when nintendo decides they want to do HD i'll potentially hop onboard, til then my DS will be the stop gap and Gmaecube will continue to collect dust until it's last hoorah when Super paper mario comes out.

[BTBuck1]

Originally Posted by AV_Integrated

I find that interesting... and somewhat questionable. (but have no proof of anything). Wal-Mart is the largest retail chain the country with about 3,000 locations. This is in comparison to BB with under 1,000.

The other big company? EB/GS/FL stores which, since they have all merged into a single company, now represent about 3,000 specialty gaming locations as well. That is - WalMart, GameStop, EB Games, and FuncoLand represent about 6,000 retail locations, while Best Buy represents under 1,000. So, while BB may actually (somehow) get an even split on the number of consoles sold, they will show higher numbers of those consoles at each store. Yet, if Wal-Mart and EB/GS/FL stores have shown high sales numbers in relation to BB, then those chains are far more likely to get more consoles at launch time.

I imagine, that the reality is that Sony will just pull a number out of a hat and say: "300,000 units for the 3 biggest retailers, split 3 ways - so 100K units each." Do the math and every BB could see about 100 units while Wal-Marts may only have 33 units per store. More realistically, that number will be lower as there are tons of other retailers who want a good number of consoles - especially CC.

Alotments are based on attachment to console percentage.
The more accessories/games per system sold the more profit the hardware manufacturers retain. There was a memo sent out by MS stating this before the 360 launch. I'd assume Sony (of whom is in bed with BBY) would follow a similar path. When ps2 got recalled and nobody had them, we got them in first and had the most. We had the most PSP's and 360's.
Microsoft Chose BBY as it's Launch partner for xbox360. it's all over the web.
Sony, MS & Nintendo prefer stores like BB, Target & Walmart as we don't deal in the recycled "Used Game" thing, and as such are a constant purchaser of games/accessories.

[JTK]

Originally Posted by Brian@BBY

Agreed, the DSlite is a great portable...however aside from New Supermario Bros...the re-hashed mario64, Mario Kart and Tetris...I see no point in owning this system anymore. I own the same 3 games I bought with the system:
*New Super mario (done)
*Tetris (still playing)
*Castelvania (played twice) <--Impulse buy

Castlevania kicks ass.

Basically any of the big, marquee Nintendo titles are immediate must buys for me. You know all the big ones: Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Castlevania, anything like that.

Having that GBA backwards comptability just ices it for me. The DS Lite rules.

I see an eerily familiarity with my Gamecube, bought these games with the system:
*Metroid
*Mario Sunshine
*Mario Kart
*Star Fox
haven't bought a game since (except cars the movie game for my son)

The there was n64
*Mario64
*Killer Instinct Gold
*Mario Kart
Never bought a game after that.

With my SNES I was continually buying games as there was always something cool and exciting comming (had real 3rd party support) and the NES was the same way.

Agreed 100 percent. THe SNES was the Golden Age of console gaming for me.

My problem with the N64 and GC was, quite simply: I prefer a lot of those titles, especially the Nintendo ones, in 2D instead of 3d.

Some of those games are good, and both the N64 and GC have had some nice games, but I find that the DS Lite has easily shown me more of the Nintendo that I want to see.

And I guess it's no accident that Nintendo's handheld sales have way eclipsed their consoles for years now.

You'd think Nintendo would get a message by now.

None of the games are out, so this is speculative and not fact.

Oh come on Brian. When has Nintendo NOT put out good first party titles?

You can take it to the bank that those games, like the new Zelda, will be excellent.

Nintendo has been good with it's first party games, I agree. But they have also been very stubborn in changing. They continually release the same franchises over and over. And while this is there success, it has also brought them many failures. How many mario sports titles do we need? they pretty much all suck. Princess this, Yoshi that...if we are gonna rehash old franchises...bring em all back! Gyromite, Kid Icarus, Duck Hunt!

Duck Hunt! I was with you all the way until you named that.

I agree that Mario Party and Mario Sports 9874234234 ain't cuttin' it.

I'd have even been okay with the 480p/16:9 mandatory as long as Dolby Digital was required or even an option!

Well, this is where we come back to this concept of an overclocked GameCube, which is what the Wii is.

I'll bet you right now that it IS a GameCube, for all intents and purposes, with a new outer shell and a little bit better GPU and memory.

In other words, it's GC 1.5.

Nintendo stopped production on GC months ago and I don't think it was an accident.

We all were talking about how one of those new funky controller costs $50-$60 on its own, out of the box.

So that means the Wii itself is worth about $200, if you take out the cost of that gimmicky controller.

$200 for a overclocked GC? No wonder Nintendo is always going to make a profit on everything, including their hardware. They're recycling!

And all they had to do was price a little bit lower than their competitors and make out like bandits.

$250 looks amazing vs. $399 or a lot more, doesn't it? MS and Sony did that favor for them.

When you think about it: Nintendo is kind of getting away with something here.

It is when it looks exactly the same as the Gamecube version of the same title, only differences being the inclusion of the nunchucka. next gen should look next gen, not just require a different controller.

Agreed 100 percent.

For me, the idea that this new controller is pretty much the only thing being talked about when we discuss Nintendo and terms like "innovative" and "next gen" is laughable.

It's a pretty scary day when I see Nintendo fanboys harping on something like this vs. harping on games and software like they should be.

THAT is where Nintendo is known for innovating, not stuff like this.

I'm still very skeptical.

This controller alone does not make this a next gen console in my eyes.

And the term "innovative" is sorely overused, in general.

Cut scenes look great, in game looks...meh, great by last gen standards.

It sure looks better than Wind ****** did, although that was a good game. I just didn't care for the art style much.

only time will tell, i'll bet the line for these on launch day ismuch smaller than that of the xbox360's launch or even the ps3.

Probably, but I'll bet the games will be more fun, overall.

Sony and MS can have third party multiplatform titles buff out their launch lineups, but a lot of those titles aren't worth much.

Beyond that: Launch lineup usually aren't that great anyways.


The last time I saw a knock out lineup for a console launch was...you guessed it...the SNES.

I was once the Biggest "N" supporter around. I've owned all their systems except for the virtualboy. Nintendo has failed me on several occassions. First with letting down their excited public with the SNEScdrom which later became Playstation,

This was a critical mistake on their part that you know some people have to look back on to this day.

...failing by releasing another cartridge based system in the n64 of which got pummeled by their own partnered technology they chose to can.

Absolutely!

And I'll never forget walking into EB and seeing Wayne Gretsky Hockey for what? $70? $80?

Unreal.

Then they release the GCN, and it's 3" and the comperable ps2 & xbox versions of games have more content.

Yup.

Then they lack in 3rd party support for two console generations. Now they release a last Gen console and call it "next gen" then as we like to call it here with sony being the king of double dipping...talk about nintendo!

You're preaching to the choir.

how many versions of the Gameboy, Gameboy advance, And now Gameboy DS do we have to have? granted they are all improvements...but damn its frustrating when you buy the crap one first!

All true, but somehow Nintendo is just making an absolute killing here and pretty much has that market locked down.

Nintendo just seems like they are out of touch from a marketing standpoint, but have scored some kick ass developers and the truth is, if those guys developed on other systems...those games would kick ass anywhere.

Nintendo's best strenght has always been software.

If they decided to say the hell with it tomorrow, they would be THE most coveted third party software company you'd ever seen.


MS and Nintendo would stage a blood fight over them and if Nintendo decided to support any one exclusively, that company would win the console war right at that very moment.

I, for one, wish it would happen. I'd rather see Nintendo freed up from hardware consideration and concentrate on making great games and doing whatever they continue to do in handhelds.

Imagine great Nintendo games running on PS3's hardware. You can't touch that!

...but they don't so I guess if we want to see the old plummer getting busy or march Link over hirule then we have to buy nintendo!

Exactly right. And it works. And people keep buying it, but more on teh handheld side by far.


Think about it: Nintendo would be far and away number one right now if they could get some more cross pollinating between the TONS of people that buy their handhelds vs. whoever buys their consoles.


Why is it that they haven't been able to get a far higher percentage of their HANDHELD userbase to cross over to the console?

When you start picking that question apart, that's when you start answering any of Nintendo's weaknesses and mistakes.

It's a loaded question that will make you think.

For me, i'm cool with what I got..when nintendo decides they want to do HD i'll potentially hop onboard, til then my DS will be the stop gap and Gmaecube will continue to collect dust until it's last hoorah when Super paper mario comes out.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Wii is the last hardware console we see from Nintendo.

[BTBuck1]

^^ Ahh...the good ole days!^^

^^ Genesis Killah!^^

^^Look...Playstation One ^^

^^ Wii Mote, Circa 1987 ^^

^^ Have a feeling you guys will have company soon^^


^^what were they thinking???^^

^^ No nintendo didn't stop at the Zapper, you thought I forgot about this?^^

[JTK]

^^ Lmao!

[theknub]

i used to think how cool it would be to use the scope on metroid or contra or something. sadly, as a six year old, i learned it didn't work that way

[JTK]

Originally Posted by theknub

i used to think how cool it would be to use the scope on metroid or contra or something. sadly, as a six year old, i learned it didn't work that way

Nintendo is easily the all time Grand Master of releasing useless peripherals that never end up being supported worth a damn. It dates all the way back to R.O.B.

What's sad is when a Broadband Internet Adapter (for the GameCube) somehow ends up joining that same crap heap.

At least Nintendo has decided this time around that the Internet isn't just some kind of "niche fad" like apparanently HD and DD still are.

[phranctoast]

yeah..now the niche fad is the controller.

[JTK]

Originally Posted by phranctoast

yeah..now the niche fad is the controller.

Precedent doesn't really put that thing in a great light, does it?

*fingers crossed*

I certainly wish Nintendo the best on this thing, but I've had my doubts since day one about it all...

[AV_Integrated]

You mean my Virtual Boy is obsolete?

Dang, and I was having so much fun playing 3d tennis on it last night.

Yes, I have one, yes it works great... Yes, I think it is fun.

[BTBuck1]

I wonder how many chiroprachtor visits from young males between 7-15 were as a result of the "virtual boy" can you imagine having to hunch into that thing, how do you set it up? stand or sit? man it's lame!

whats lamer? that or black/red graphics!

[phranctoast]

I certainly wish Nintendo the best on this thing, but I've had my doubts since day one about it all...

I was going to buy one up until they released the price. $150 more then the GC is too much for nearly identical tech.