Mean Guns (1997) 101 Films - Blu-ray Forum

samdvd1 · 07-10-2015, 11:23 AM

Received the check disc for this. Seems to be a Krekel masterpiece unfortunately. A lot of DNR. Also aspect ratio is 1.78:1 (OAR is 2.35:1 I believe). Some scenes seem bizarrely vertically stretched and sometimes characters at the edge of the frame look warped.

Audio is LPCM 2.0. No subtitles or extras.

Film is as fun as I remember it though. Ridiculously cheesy, but a great 'beer and mates' flick.

levcore · 07-10-2015, 12:37 PM

How have i never heard of this movie? Looks like fun.

wesslan · 08-11-2015, 05:25 AM

Seems like 101 got the old 1.78 transfer from Krekel. He's doing a 2.35:1 version for his label since all fans of the movie asked about it and he even tried crowdfunding it.

thecalm_7 · 08-12-2015, 04:15 PM

Thats disappointing. Lossless sound but improper AR. German is OAR but lossy sound. This poor film is so much fun especially with demented friends.

I cant seem to find the German on amazon. Anywhere else have it?

Also what is krekel?

Anth · 08-19-2015, 08:20 PM

Blind pre-order bought this from Amazon. Arrived today and checked and it says like the OP mentioned that it is 1.78:1.

This is really annoying as I thought Blu-Ray was too good for this type of conduct and especially small niche studio's.

So are any of the Blu-Ray releases 2.35:1 with English Audio?

I know Albert Pyun is selling a blu-ray of it like this but its really only for people in America and not the UK.

I love this movie and this was the film I was most eager for this year since it was announced in January.

wesslan · 08-21-2015, 05:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Anth

Blind pre-order bought this from Amazon. Arrived today and checked and it says like the OP mentioned that it is 1.78:1.

This is really annoying as I thought Blu-Ray was too good for this type of conduct and especially small niche studio's.

So are any of the Blu-Ray releases 2.35:1 with English Audio?

I know Albert Pyun is selling a blu-ray of it like this but its really only for people in America and not the UK.

I love this movie and this was the film I was most eager for this year since it was announced in January.

Yes the upcoming german blu-ray will be 2.35:1 with english/german audio but no english subs either. Although prepar yourself for lossy audio only and probaly a lot of DNR...

Oliver Krekel · 08-21-2015, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by wesslan

Yes the upcoming german blu-ray will be 2.35:1 with english/german audio but no english subs either. Although prepar yourself for lossy audio only and probaly a lot of DNR...

Exakt the DNR the Director wants (like EVERY DIRECTOR) and of course with lossy audio because I know the source and NOBODY will hear the difference.

This will be AGAIN the best release in the whole world!!!!!

P.S. And a lot of extras

Btw, the US-Blu from Albert is an SD-Upscale

wesslan · 08-21-2015, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Oliver Krekel

Exakt the DNR the Director wants (like EVERY DIRECTOR) and of course with lossy audio because I know the source and NOBODY will hear the difference.

This will be AGAIN the best release in the whole world!!!!!

P.S. And a lot of extras

Btw, the US-Blu from Albert is an SD-Upscale

Have you set a date Oliver? And I personally hope you left the image quality alone like you did on Nemesis which looked great and can you explain why your Split Second looks worse than 101 films? And yes theirs have DTS-HD MA 2.0 which sounds better than your dolby digital 5.1 and 2.0

Oliver Krekel · 08-21-2015, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by wesslan

can you explain why your Split Second looks worse than 101 films?

No, ours is a lot better!!!! Dont mix up grain with detail

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Originally Posted by wesslan

And yes theirs have DTS-HD MA 2.0 which sounds better than your dolby digital 5.1 and 2.0

No, it's not better. The source was an old DD track for booth, like the most sources for audio. You think if DTS-HD is on the cover it's native

It is not.

wesslan · 08-21-2015, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Oliver Krekel

No, ours is a lot better!!!! Dont mix up grain with detail

No, it's not better. The source was an old DD track for booth, like the most sources for audio. You think if DTS-HD is on the cover it's native

It is not.

Well your 5.1 had same audio in all channels to my surprise when they started talking in my surrounds

and your 2.0 sounded very tinny/hollow but no need to debate this. Just my personal view.

Oliver Krekel · 08-21-2015, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by wesslan

Well your 5.1 had same audio in all channels to my surprise when they started talking in my surrounds

and your 2.0 sounded very tinny/hollow but no need to debate this. Just my personal view.

You're absolutely right in the sound of Split Second. The Source was so bad because they made a mistake with the reverb in the whole track. It looks like they mixed left and right in the reverb-mixing. Thats the reason why we do always the originel stereo-mix on the discs too.

For this old filmes it's hard to get good sources because they have no good material in fact the owner never took care about the material.

Split Second and the whole Imperial Library was after the bankruptcy with a bank, not a filmdealer. There was NO material at all and we had to search all over the world.

Anth · 08-21-2015, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Oliver Krekel

Exakt the DNR the Director wants (like EVERY DIRECTOR) and of course with lossy audio because I know the source and NOBODY will hear the difference.

This will be AGAIN the best release in the whole world!!!!!

P.S. And a lot of extras

Btw, the US-Blu from Albert is an SD-Upscale

Well you have literally sold me.

Plus to be honest I have never really been that bothered about DNR. Yes grain can be nice. But on the other side I never really had a problem with Predator Ultimate Hunter Edition that nearly everyone else classed as scandalous due to the DNR.

themoviefanatic · 08-23-2015, 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Oliver Krekel

Exakt the DNR the Director wants (like EVERY DIRECTOR) and of course with lossy audio because I know the source and NOBODY will hear the difference.

This will be AGAIN the best release in the whole world!!!!!

P.S. And a lot of extras

Btw, the US-Blu from Albert is an SD-Upscale

sorry I was a bit confused on your post about mean guns , is there a U.S. release to buy?

anyone know?

Oliver Krekel · 08-23-2015, 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Slikkbradd

sorry I was a bit confused on your post about mean guns , is there a U.S. release to buy?

anyone know?

Only a burned version from Albert directly

Anth · 08-23-2015, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Slikkbradd

sorry I was a bit confused on your post about mean guns , is there a U.S. release to buy?

anyone know?

Albert Pyun is selling all his own movies as bootlegs.

Here is a clip from Mean Guns (with a link to the for sale email address in the link details)

And here is where I found him selling it.

http://www.highlander-community.com/...d.php?t=50049&

malakaheso · 08-23-2015, 08:02 AM

I'm surprised it was shot in 2:35.

I remember it having some interesting visual ideas for a low budget film. It was entertaining.

Anth · 08-23-2015, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Oliver Krekel

Dont mix up grain with detail

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Originally Posted by UseY0ur1llusi0n

But he is right. For example

Predator on DVD - Grainy, Predator on Blu-Ray mega DNR'd. But the Blu-Ray would still look way better on a large TV.

In terms of Split second I think the best way to show it would be a screen grab comparison of both disks.

wesslan · 08-23-2015, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Anth

But he is right. For example

Predator on DVD - Grainy, Predator on Blu-Ray mega DNR'd. But the Blu-Ray would still look way better on a large TV.

In terms of Split second I think the best way to show it would be a screen grab comparison of both disks.

I'm 100% sure the 101 version of Split Second will look better. Don't mess with the image.

To bad there won't be same choice for Mean Guns since I want 2.35:1

Oliver Krekel · 08-23-2015, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by wesslan

I'm 100% sure the 101 version of Split Second will look better. Don't mess with the image.

I'm 10000% sure the PCE version of Split Second look better.

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Originally Posted by wesslan

To bad there won't be same choice for Mean Guns since I want 2.35:1

I own the 2.35 master because it's my work

Anth · 08-23-2015, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Oliver Krekel

I'm 10000% sure the PCE version of Split Second look better.

Screen grabs of them both will sort it out.

This is probably me asking the obvious. But do you work for PCE, Oliver?

If you do, then massive kudo's to the releases you have been bringing to Blu-Ray. Any chance you could source a Widescreen version of Burt Reynolds 1986 movie Heat.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093164/?ref_=fn_al_tt_3

But also if you do work for PCE, could you post up some screen grabs of your release so someone in the UK with the UK disk could match them up with the same scenes from the UK disk to compare.

07-10-2015, 11:23 AM	#1
samdvd1 Blu-ray Guru Top contributor Member since:Mar 2008 Location:Carlisle, UK Blu-ray collection:2698 Blu-ray reviews:2 Trading Score:11	Mean Guns (1997) 101 Films Received the check disc for this. Seems to be a Krekel masterpiece unfortunately. A lot of DNR. Also aspect ratio is 1.78:1 (OAR is 2.35:1 I believe). Some scenes seem bizarrely vertically stretched and sometimes characters at the edge of the frame look warped. Audio is LPCM 2.0. No subtitles or extras. Film is as fun as I remember it though. Ridiculously cheesy, but a great 'beer and mates' flick. Last edited by samdvd1; 07-10-2015 at 12:16 PM.

07-10-2015, 12:37 PM	#2
levcore Blu-ray Grand Duke Member since:Jun 2011 Location:Dryland 4K collection:306 Blu-ray collection:2617 Trading Score:3	How have i never heard of this movie? Looks like fun.

08-11-2015, 05:25 AM	#3
wesslan Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Feb 2010 Location:Sweden Blu-ray reviews:1	Seems like 101 got the old 1.78 transfer from Krekel. He's doing a 2.35:1 version for his label since all fans of the movie asked about it and he even tried crowdfunding it.

08-12-2015, 04:15 PM	#4
thecalm_7 Power Member Top contributor Member since:Apr 2011 Location:The Gulf 4K collection:946 Blu-ray collection:6017 DVD collection:859 iTunes collection:2 Trading Score:126	Thats disappointing. Lossless sound but improper AR. German is OAR but lossy sound. This poor film is so much fun especially with demented friends. I cant seem to find the German on amazon. Anywhere else have it? Also what is krekel?

08-19-2015, 08:20 PM	#5
Anth Member Member since:Oct 2007	Blind pre-order bought this from Amazon. Arrived today and checked and it says like the OP mentioned that it is 1.78:1. This is really annoying as I thought Blu-Ray was too good for this type of conduct and especially small niche studio's. So are any of the Blu-Ray releases 2.35:1 with English Audio? I know Albert Pyun is selling a blu-ray of it like this but its really only for people in America and not the UK. I love this movie and this was the film I was most eager for this year since it was announced in January.

08-23-2015, 08:02 AM	#16
malakaheso Blu-ray Guru Member since:Oct 2013 Location:Melbourne, Australia 4K collection:103 Blu-ray collection:1057 DVD collection:293	I'm surprised it was shot in 2:35. I remember it having some interesting visual ideas for a low budget film. It was entertaining.

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