Hard Target UK release from Universal

[cybersoga]

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Hard-Target.../dp/B0C33YHXH7

[westieslovesblu]

Mines arrived

[Member-222782]

Got mine too. Nice set.

[Bourne1886]

Hi, does this release have any of the bonus features that the Kino release had.

[westieslovesblu]

No extras what so ever! or commentary

[Bourne1886]

Originally Posted by westieslovesblu

No extras what so ever! or commentary

That’s pants then! I’ll stick with my KL release. Thankyou.

[DavidRoylance]

Can anyone check whether the sound is coming out of the right speakers in this edition?

[philip74]

How does the picture quality compare to the Kino edition? Same master und transfer?

[DMRI2006]

I imported a copy to the US and don't have it yet, but the impressions in the Italian thread are so far positive. If you have a Panasonic UHD player, sounds like this is a much better option as it doesn't have the Dolby Vision "strobing" the Kino release has. That forced me to turn off DV and use the HDR layer instead. Also the sound channels are apparently fine, and not mixed up.

Impressions from the Italian thread:

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...4&postcount=23

[moreorless]

Not much to compare it too as I'v not watched the film since the 90's but the UHD looked very impressive indeed to me, the showdown at the end especially looks wonderful.

Overall actually a much better film than I remember, perhaps Woo's best US film? Van Dam isnt asked to do much acting with Henrickson carrying things and it looks great. Almost the opposite of Under Seige to me which I found quite underwhelming going back to, really only Busey and Tommy Lee keep it interesting(wekk the cake as well).

[andreasy969]

New German edition from Plaion incoming in March: https://shop.plaionpictures.com/hart...ays-exkl.-shop

In the live stream they said based on a new OCN scan provided by Universal and worked on by LSP. If I got that right, something newer than used on the current 4K releases - they were rather confident that it will best the existing releases at any rate (and I didn't smell bs, but I have doubts re. new scan, but I think that's what they actually said). It will include the workprint as an extra based on a VHS provided by John Woo.

[nicwood]

Originally Posted by andreasy969

New German edition from Plaion incoming in March: https://shop.plaionpictures.com/hart...ays-exkl.-shop

In the live stream they said based on a new OCN scan provided by Universal and worked on by LSP. If I got that right, something newer than used on the current 4K releases - they were rather confident that it will best the existing releases at any rate (and I didn't smell bs, but I have doubts re. new scan, but I think that's what they actually said). It will include the workprint as an extra based on a VHS provided by John Woo.

This will be the third UHD I'm buying of this film, unbelievable. I was in the live stream and laughed when they showed the trailer. Too little, too late I thought - and such a big box for lots of nonsense. But no, this really seems definitive in a convincing way and the extensive participation of John Woo is extra special. It looks like Plaion licensed Kino's extras with Woo and Lance Henriksen but went the extra mile re. all the cuts. Why couldn't Kino do the same thing? They were in contact with Woo but likely didn't bother about anything but his master approval in order to release their UHD as soon as possible. Really disappointing but that's exactly who they are.

[andreasy969]

Originally Posted by nicwood

This will be the third UHD I'm buying of this film, unbelievable. I was in the live stream and laughed when they showed the trailer. Too little, too late I thought - and such a big box for lots of nonsense. But no, this really seems definitive in a convincing way and the extensive participation of John Woo is extra special. It looks like Plaion licensed Kino's extras with Woo and Lance Henriksen but went the extra mile re. all the cuts. Why couldn't Kino do the same thing? They were in contact with Woo but likely didn't bother about anything but his master approval in order to release their UHD as soon as possible. Really disappointing but that's exactly who they are.

At movieside we are also currently debating on whether they actually said new scan from OCN as in newer than used with the existing 4Ks. I also say yes, that's what they said (if that's true is another story). And that LSP is working on this new scan. I still have doubts re. new scan though.

Question being, if you also saw the stream: What do you think they said?

[Cap.T]

Originally Posted by andreasy969

At movieside we are also currently debating on whether they actually said new scan from OCN as in newer than used with the existing 4Ks. I also say yes, that's what they said (if that's true is another story). And that LSP is working on this new scan. I still have doubts re. new scan though.

Question being, if you also saw the stream: What do you think they said?

"It's not the version of the movie, that people may know from the US UHD or the english version. It's a new scan, a new restauration, which we had done here in Germany by LSP, so I believe we can beat the foreign UHD releases."

And later one: "It's a completly new scan of the OCN from Universal, that they (Universal) provided to us and that was extensively restored here.

Make of that what you will. I still think the most likely option is, that this is the 4K-Master of the US and UK-Version with some work work done by LSP. Whatever that "Restoration" work.

You can rewatch the live stream here:

Exclusive Release No. 2 - LIVE! Live-Shopping-Event #2 by PLAION PICTURES - YouTube

[Telemachus]

Ain't no way the OCN got pulled out again after just scanning it, this is just word hype salad. Maybe it will look better than Kino, not hard to do being real, but come on. If they minimize all those white specs in the Kino it will already be better. I'm not rebuying this after already going through a replacement program but looks cool. A VHS digitization of a workprint is not a selling point for me.

[Special Feature]

Did anyone notice an audio glitch on the Universal 4K UHD? At 11m46sec during the fight outside the diner Van Damme hits a guy in the head with a glass bottle. On the English track (DTS-HD 5.1) the sound mutes for a second. The sound effect of the bottle breaking is there on the Italian track (DTS 2.0).

[blackray4k]

Originally Posted by Special Feature

Did anyone notice an audio glitch on the Universal 4K UHD? At 11m46sec during the fight outside the diner Van Damme hits a guy in the head with a glass bottle. On the English track (DTS-HD 5.1) the sound mutes for a second. The sound effect of the bottle breaking is there on the Italian track (DTS 2.0).

No audio glitch muting/cutting out for me on the English 5.1. I can hear the entirety of the glass bottle breaking in that scene. Panasonic UB820 (firmware version 1.82).

This film looks great... until it doesn't. Seemingly zero attempts to get rid of any dirt, dust and print damage.

[ASLAN]

so is the uk version as good picture quality as the german release? Am I right in thinking this is what we have:

US kino corrected disc - best sound
German edition - best picture
Uk edition - best sound and picture but no extras?

[kristoffer]

That is what it sounds like to me. I will buy the UK ver