Hard Target UK release from Universal - Blu-ray Forum

cybersoga · 04-26-2023, 09:38 PM

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Hard-Target.../dp/B0C33YHXH7

westieslovesblu · 06-23-2023, 06:37 PM

Mines arrived

Member-222782 · 06-23-2023, 07:37 PM

Got mine too. Nice set.

Bourne1886 · 06-23-2023, 08:04 PM

Hi, does this release have any of the bonus features that the Kino release had.

westieslovesblu · 06-23-2023, 10:45 PM

No extras what so ever! or commentary

Bourne1886 · 06-24-2023, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by westieslovesblu

No extras what so ever! or commentary

That’s pants then! I’ll stick with my KL release. Thankyou.

DavidRoylance · 06-24-2023, 01:24 PM

Can anyone check whether the sound is coming out of the right speakers in this edition?

philip74 · 06-26-2023, 05:12 PM

How does the picture quality compare to the Kino edition? Same master und transfer?

DMRI2006 · 06-26-2023, 05:43 PM

I imported a copy to the US and don't have it yet, but the impressions in the Italian thread are so far positive. If you have a Panasonic UHD player, sounds like this is a much better option as it doesn't have the Dolby Vision "strobing" the Kino release has. That forced me to turn off DV and use the HDR layer instead. Also the sound channels are apparently fine, and not mixed up.

Impressions from the Italian thread:

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...4&postcount=23

moreorless · 06-29-2023, 07:24 PM

Not much to compare it too as I'v not watched the film since the 90's but the UHD looked very impressive indeed to me, the showdown at the end especially looks wonderful.

Overall actually a much better film than I remember, perhaps Woo's best US film? Van Dam isnt asked to do much acting with Henrickson carrying things and it looks great. Almost the opposite of Under Seige to me which I found quite underwhelming going back to, really only Busey and Tommy Lee keep it interesting(wekk the cake as well).

andreasy969 · 12-12-2023, 05:54 PM

New German edition from Plaion incoming in March: https://shop.plaionpictures.com/hart...ays-exkl.-shop

In the live stream they said based on a new OCN scan provided by Universal and worked on by LSP. If I got that right, something newer than used on the current 4K releases - they were rather confident that it will best the existing releases at any rate (and I didn't smell bs, but I have doubts re. new scan, but I think that's what they actually said). It will include the workprint as an extra based on a VHS provided by John Woo.

nicwood · 12-12-2023, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by andreasy969

New German edition from Plaion incoming in March: https://shop.plaionpictures.com/hart...ays-exkl.-shop

In the live stream they said based on a new OCN scan provided by Universal and worked on by LSP. If I got that right, something newer than used on the current 4K releases - they were rather confident that it will best the existing releases at any rate (and I didn't smell bs, but I have doubts re. new scan, but I think that's what they actually said). It will include the workprint as an extra based on a VHS provided by John Woo.

This will be the third UHD I'm buying of this film, unbelievable. I was in the live stream and laughed when they showed the trailer. Too little, too late I thought - and such a big box for lots of nonsense. But no, this really seems definitive in a convincing way and the extensive participation of John Woo is extra special. It looks like Plaion licensed Kino's extras with Woo and Lance Henriksen but went the extra mile re. all the cuts. Why couldn't Kino do the same thing? They were in contact with Woo but likely didn't bother about anything but his master approval in order to release their UHD as soon as possible. Really disappointing but that's exactly who they are.

andreasy969 · 12-12-2023, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by nicwood

This will be the third UHD I'm buying of this film, unbelievable. I was in the live stream and laughed when they showed the trailer. Too little, too late I thought - and such a big box for lots of nonsense. But no, this really seems definitive in a convincing way and the extensive participation of John Woo is extra special. It looks like Plaion licensed Kino's extras with Woo and Lance Henriksen but went the extra mile re. all the cuts. Why couldn't Kino do the same thing? They were in contact with Woo but likely didn't bother about anything but his master approval in order to release their UHD as soon as possible. Really disappointing but that's exactly who they are.

At movieside we are also currently debating on whether they actually said new scan from OCN as in newer than used with the existing 4Ks. I also say yes, that's what they said (if that's true is another story). And that LSP is working on this new scan. I still have doubts re. new scan though.

Question being, if you also saw the stream: What do you think they said?

Cap.T · 12-12-2023, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by andreasy969

At movieside we are also currently debating on whether they actually said new scan from OCN as in newer than used with the existing 4Ks. I also say yes, that's what they said (if that's true is another story). And that LSP is working on this new scan. I still have doubts re. new scan though.

Question being, if you also saw the stream: What do you think they said?

"It's not the version of the movie, that people may know from the US UHD or the english version. It's a new scan, a new restauration, which we had done here in Germany by LSP, so I believe we can beat the foreign UHD releases."

And later one: "It's a completly new scan of the OCN from Universal, that they (Universal) provided to us and that was extensively restored here.

Make of that what you will. I still think the most likely option is, that this is the 4K-Master of the US and UK-Version with some work work done by LSP. Whatever that "Restoration" work.

You can rewatch the live stream here:

andreasy969 · 12-12-2023, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Cap.T

"It's a new scan, a new restauration, which we had done by LSP in Germany, so I believe we can beat the foreign UHD releases."

You can rewatch the live stream here:

[Show spoiler]

Thx, and I will actually rewatch tomorrow, but I guess I really heard that right then. Whether it's true remains to be seen. New scan will seem somewhat unnecessary to me.

Cap.T · 12-12-2023, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by andreasy969

Thx, and I will actually rewatch tomorrow, but I guess I really heard that right then. Whether it's true remains to be seen. New scan will seem somewhat unnecessary to me.

I just editied my post above and added another quote to my post, that was said later and cleared it up a bit more (for me) at least. As I've mentioned above: This is propably the US/UK-Master with additional work done by LSP.

andreasy969 · 12-12-2023, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Cap.T

I just added my post above and added another quote to my post, that was said later and cleared it up a bit more (for me) at least. As I've mentioned above: This is propably the US/UK-Master with additional work done by LSP.

I heard exactly what you're translating and they said new scan. I also have doubts and would also think restoration on the same scan at best, but I still think that's not what they said and you confirmed what I heard. I will be paying attention to this release. I also don't doubt it being the best one, but how much better remains to be seen.

Cap.T · 12-12-2023, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by andreasy969

I heard exactly what you're translating and they said new scan. I also have doubts and would also think restoration on the same scan at best, but I still think that's not what they said and you confirmed what I heard. I will be paying attention to this release. I also don't doubt it being the best one, but how much better remains to be seen.

I think the second quote makes it a little be misleading. The "it's a completly new scan...", propably was in releation to previous releases in Germany and not the other US/UK UHDs. Will find out in March for sure, but why would Universal themselves release a UHD in UK and than create a new 4K-Master and provide that to Plaion. I just can't see that happening.

Telemachus · 12-12-2023, 09:07 PM

Ain't no way the OCN got pulled out again after just scanning it, this is just word hype salad. Maybe it will look better than Kino, not hard to do being real, but come on. If they minimize all those white specs in the Kino it will already be better. I'm not rebuying this after already going through a replacement program but looks cool. A VHS digitization of a workprint is not a selling point for me.

Special Feature · 02-03-2025, 01:01 AM

Did anyone notice an audio glitch on the Universal 4K UHD? At 11m46sec during the fight outside the diner Van Damme hits a guy in the head with a glass bottle. On the English track (DTS-HD 5.1) the sound mutes for a second. The sound effect of the bottle breaking is there on the Italian track (DTS 2.0).

04-26-2023, 09:38 PM	#1
cybersoga Senior Member Member since:Jul 2021 Location:UK	Hard Target UK release from Universal https://www.amazon.co.uk/Hard-Target.../dp/B0C33YHXH7

12-12-2023, 05:54 PM	#11
andreasy969 Blu-ray Knight Member since:Aug 2008 Trading Score:125	New German edition from Plaion incoming in March: https://shop.plaionpictures.com/hart...ays-exkl.-shop In the live stream they said based on a new OCN scan provided by Universal and worked on by LSP. If I got that right, something newer than used on the current 4K releases - they were rather confident that it will best the existing releases at any rate (and I didn't smell bs, but I have doubts re. new scan, but I think that's what they actually said). It will include the workprint as an extra based on a VHS provided by John Woo. Last edited by andreasy969; 12-12-2023 at 06:59 PM.

06-23-2023, 06:37 PM	#2
westieslovesblu Active Member Member since:May 2015 Location:Swindon 4K collection:107 Blu-ray collection:133	Mines arrived

06-23-2023, 07:37 PM	#3
Member-222782 Blu-ray Archduke Member since:Jun 2012 4K collection:645 Blu-ray collection:4556 DVD collection:474 Trading Score:140	Got mine too. Nice set.

06-23-2023, 08:04 PM	#4
Bourne1886 Blu-ray Samurai Top contributor Member since:Sep 2010 Location:East Anglia, U.K. 4K collection:308 Blu-ray collection:1040 DVD collection:141 Digital collection:2 iTunes collection:64 Blu-ray reviews: 89	Hi, does this release have any of the bonus features that the Kino release had.

06-23-2023, 10:45 PM	#5
westieslovesblu Active Member Member since:May 2015 Location:Swindon 4K collection:107 Blu-ray collection:133	No extras what so ever! or commentary

06-24-2023, 01:24 PM	#7
DavidRoylance Special Member Member since:Feb 2013	Can anyone check whether the sound is coming out of the right speakers in this edition?

06-26-2023, 05:12 PM	#8
philip74 Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Jan 2010 Blu-ray collection:11 Trading Score:140	How does the picture quality compare to the Kino edition? Same master und transfer?

06-26-2023, 05:43 PM	#9
DMRI2006 Blu-ray Ninja Top contributor Member since:Apr 2009 Blu-ray reviews:1 Trading Score:215	I imported a copy to the US and don't have it yet, but the impressions in the Italian thread are so far positive. If you have a Panasonic UHD player, sounds like this is a much better option as it doesn't have the Dolby Vision "strobing" the Kino release has. That forced me to turn off DV and use the HDR layer instead. Also the sound channels are apparently fine, and not mixed up. Impressions from the Italian thread: https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...4&postcount=23

06-29-2023, 07:24 PM	#10
moreorless Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Jan 2020 Location:UK	Not much to compare it too as I'v not watched the film since the 90's but the UHD looked very impressive indeed to me, the showdown at the end especially looks wonderful. Overall actually a much better film than I remember, perhaps Woo's best US film? Van Dam isnt asked to do much acting with Henrickson carrying things and it looks great. Almost the opposite of Under Seige to me which I found quite underwhelming going back to, really only Busey and Tommy Lee keep it interesting(wekk the cake as well).

12-12-2023, 09:07 PM	#19
Telemachus Blu-ray Baron Member since:May 2021	Ain't no way the OCN got pulled out again after just scanning it, this is just word hype salad. Maybe it will look better than Kino, not hard to do being real, but come on. If they minimize all those white specs in the Kino it will already be better. I'm not rebuying this after already going through a replacement program but looks cool. A VHS digitization of a workprint is not a selling point for me.

02-03-2025, 01:01 AM	#20
Special Feature Active Member Member since:Nov 2013 Location:Ireland	Did anyone notice an audio glitch on the Universal 4K UHD? At 11m46sec during the fight outside the diner Van Damme hits a guy in the head with a glass bottle. On the English track (DTS-HD 5.1) the sound mutes for a second. The sound effect of the bottle breaking is there on the Italian track (DTS 2.0).

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