Why HD-DVD owners shouldn't be reimbursed.

[Branden]

Why i don't believe hd-dvd owners should be reimbursed for their poor investment.

the way i see it is there are essentailly 5 kinds of hd-dvd owners:

1) M$ fanboys/Sony haters.
these people bought into hd-dvd because of either a blind love for M$, or simply out of spite for sony. being a fanboy of anything is foolish, and a fool and his money soon part. no reimbursement deserved there.

2) People who knowingly bought into a dying format.
these people knew the facts and arguments and still bought into hd-dvd, likely because it was cheaper. these people only think about short-term and invested accordingly. sure they may have saved a bit of money initially, but the short-term has ended and now they feel like fools, and a fool and his money soon part. no reimbursement deserved there.

3) People who ignorantly bought into a dying format.
these are people who walked into bestbuy and believed whatever the moron floorstaff told them (maliciously or not). i do feel a small amount of pity for these people, but when you're about to invest hundreds/thousands of dollars on something it is foolish to NOT do some kind of research, and a fool and his money soon part. no reimbursement deserved there.

4) Impatient people.
these people are die-hard matrix fans or die-hard bourne fans and bought into hd-dvd just for them. i want bourne too, but i can wait. buying a ticket on a bus just because it leaves earlier than a jet is foolish, and a fool and his money soon part. no reimbursement deserved there.

5) Rich people.
these people are likely just movie lovers who wanted to cover their bases so they bought into both (and likely knowing one would eventually fall). if someone can afford to invest into both then they can afford to suck it up.

if i offended anyone then it's because you fit into one of the above catagories. please don't take it personally, thats no my intent. just accept that you did something stupid with your money.

this was a format war and we ALL took the risk as early adopters of wasting our money. i wan't totally convinced blu-ray would survive when i bought my PS3, but i weighted the evidence and invested accordingly.
in the end it comes down to: why should people who make poor investments get reimbursed while people who make wise investments get nothing? if some idiot M$ fanboys gets reimbursed for the $200 he foolishly spent on an hd-dvd addon, then dammit i deserve $200 of my $700 PS3 for being one who contributed to blu-ray's victory.

[MrXpress]

You know, there's such thing as rational people who have both formats I bought HD DVD initially when it seemed like it (the format war) would drag on to oblivion, and then purchased Blu-ray later on when it became clear it would be the ultimate choice. I don't feel like I belong in any one of those categories.

I also don't feel like I deserve compensation from Toshiba, though. What people seem to forget is that an incentive program would almost be entirely to the BDA's benefit, as they will be getting on board people who will assuredly buy high-def movies and hardware (of great importance would be the former), while at the same time getting good PR. In this sense, they would be obtaining one of the HD DVD PRG's former selling points (attach rate), as there's no reason to believe these new Blu-ray converts (who may not have 'converted' had it not been for an incentive program, one may assume) also wouldn't buy Blu-ray discs at the same rate.

[dallasjetfan]

Originally Posted by Branden

Why i don't believe hd-dvd owners should be reimbursed for their poor investment.

the way i see it is there are essentailly 5 kinds of hd-dvd owners:

1) M$ fanboys/Sony haters.
these people bought into hd-dvd because of either a blind love for M$, or simply out of spite for sony. being a fanboy of anything is foolish, and a fool and his money soon part. no reimbursement deserved there.

2) People who knowingly bought into a dying format.
these people knew the facts and arguments and still bought into hd-dvd, likely because it was cheaper. these people only think about short-term and invested accordingly. sure they may have saved a bit of money initially, but the short-term has ended and now they feel like fools, and a fool and his money soon part. no reimbursement deserved there.

3) People who ignorantly bought into a dying format.
these are people who walked into bestbuy and believed whatever the moron floorstaff told them (maliciously or not). i do feel a small amount of pity for these people, but when you're about to invest hundreds/thousands of dollars on something it is foolish to NOT do some kind of research, and a fool and his money soon part. no reimbursement deserved there.

4) Impatient people.
these people are die-hard matrix fans or die-hard bourne fans and bought into hd-dvd just for them. i want bourne too, but i can wait. buying a ticket on a bus just because it leaves earlier than a jet is foolish, and a fool and his money soon part. no reimbursement deserved there.

4) Rich people.
these people are likely just movie lovers who wanted to cover their bases so they bought into both (and likely knowing one would eventually fall). if someone can afford to invest into both then they can afford to suck it up.

if i offended anyone then it's because you fit into one of the above catagories. please don't take it personally, thats no my intent. just accept that you did something stupid with your money.

this was a format war and we ALL took the risk as early adopters of wasting our money. i wan't totally convinced blu-ray would survive when i bought my PS3, but i weighted the evidence and invested accordingly.
in the end it comes down to: why should people who make poor investments get reimbursed while people who make wise investments get nothing? if some idiot M$ fanboys gets reimbursed for the $200 he foolishly spent on an hd-dvd addon, then dammit i deserve $200 of my $700 PS3 for being one who contributed to blu-ray's victory.

I am a #4 and the second number #4 without being rich!! I don't want to be reimbursed, but this thread is a little ridiculous. Buyer beware!! I chose HD DVD over BR because more movies were on HD DVD that I liked!! Once, BR begins putting out all those titles (only about 15), I will buy a PS3 and sell off all my HD DVD movies eBay. Since, i bought everything on eBay, I will be able to break even and not even lose a dime!!

[simplepinoi177]

Originally Posted by Branden

Why i don't believe hd-dvd owners should be reimbursed for their poor investment.

the way i see it is there are essentailly 5 kinds of hd-dvd owners:

1) M$ fanboys/Sony haters.
these people bought into hd-dvd because of either a blind love for M$, or simply out of spite for sony. being a fanboy of anything is foolish, and a fool and his money soon part. no reimbursement deserved there.

2) People who knowingly bought into a dying format.
these people knew the facts and arguments and still bought into hd-dvd, likely because it was cheaper. these people only think about short-term and invested accordingly. sure they may have saved a bit of money initially, but the short-term has ended and now they feel like fools, and a fool and his money soon part. no reimbursement deserved there.

3) People who ignorantly bought into a dying format.
these are people who walked into bestbuy and believed whatever the moron floorstaff told them (maliciously or not). i do feel a small amount of pity for these people, but when you're about to invest hundreds/thousands of dollars on something it is foolish to NOT do some kind of research, and a fool and his money soon part. no reimbursement deserved there.

4) Impatient people.
these people are die-hard matrix fans or die-hard bourne fans and bought into hd-dvd just for them. i want bourne too, but i can wait. buying a ticket on a bus just because it leaves earlier than a jet is foolish, and a fool and his money soon part. no reimbursement deserved there.

4) Rich people.
these people are likely just movie lovers who wanted to cover their bases so they bought into both (and likely knowing one would eventually fall). if someone can afford to invest into both then they can afford to suck it up.

if i offended anyone then it's because you fit into one of the above catagories. please don't take it personally, thats no my intent. just accept that you did something stupid with your money.

this was a format war and we ALL took the risk as early adopters of wasting our money. i wan't totally convinced blu-ray would survive when i bought my PS3, but i weighted the evidence and invested accordingly.
in the end it comes down to: why should people who make poor investments get reimbursed while people who make wise investments get nothing? if some idiot M$ fanboys gets reimbursed for the $200 he foolishly spent on an hd-dvd addon, then dammit i deserve $200 of my $700 PS3 for being one who contributed to blu-ray's victory.

here here

P.S. It's funny. Once it came out that Warner would go exclusive, I went and checked that HD-DVD biased forum avsforums(I believe it was...) and saw all the hddvd fanboys panicking and already asking/demanding for Sony to set up some kind of exchange program

[Branden]

Originally Posted by MrXpress

You know, there's such thing as rational people who have both formats I bought HD DVD initially when it seemed like it (the format war) would drag on to oblivion, and then purchased Blu-ray later on when it became clear it would be the ultimate choice. I don't feel like I belong in any one of those categories.

I also don't feel like I deserve compensation from Toshiba, though. What people seem to forget is that an incentive program would almost be entirely to the BDA's benefit, as they will be getting on board people who will assuredly buy high-def movies and hardware (of great importance would be the former), while at the same time getting good PR. In this sense, they would be obtaining one of the HD DVD PRG's former selling points (attach rate), as there's no reason to believe these new Blu-ray converts (who may not have 'converted' had it not been for an incentive program, one may assume) also wouldn't buy Blu-ray discs at the same rate.

#5 weren't necessarily duped or foolish, just willing to buy both, so i would catagorize you as a #5; you were willing to buy both, albeit not simultaneously.

i realize most hd-dvd owners aren't expecting to be reimbursed, but some are. and i realize it might be a good PR move for the BDA too, but i just really hate our "you deserve a silver star just for trying" culture that rewards D students so they feel like A students. if hd-dvd owners are going to get pity-money for being stupid then maybe i deserve an equal amount for being smart.

[Beta Man]

Originally Posted by Branden

Why i don't believe hd-dvd owners should be reimbursed for their poor investment.

the way i see it is there are essentailly 5 kinds of hd-dvd owners:

1) M$ fanboys/Sony haters.
these people bought into hd-dvd because of either a blind love for M$, or simply out of spite for sony. being a fanboy of anything is foolish, and a fool and his money soon part. no reimbursement deserved there.

I don't own an Xbox... hate to break it to you..... I like Sony Televisions...... if Microsoft made something I wanted, I would buy it.... I don't blindly support for the sake of supporting....

2) People who knowingly bought into a dying format.
these people knew the facts and arguments and still bought into hd-dvd, likely because it was cheaper. these people only think about short-term and invested accordingly. sure they may have saved a bit of money initially, but the short-term has ended and now they feel like fools, and a fool and his money soon part. no reimbursement deserved there.

I guess I was one of those guys who KNOWINGLY bought into a dying format... since I bought my A-35 about a month ago, and I bought several movies.... NO REGRETS..... I actually bought it the day after (or maybe it was two days after) I purchased my PS3 WOW, I can watch HD DVDs AND Blu-Rays.... I guess it sucks to be me????

3) People who ignorantly bought into a dying format.
these are people who walked into bestbuy and believed whatever the moron floorstaff told them (maliciously or not). i do feel a small amount of pity for these people, but when you're about to invest hundreds/thousands of dollars on something it is foolish to NOT do some kind of research, and a fool and his money soon part. no reimbursement deserved there.

I waited plenty long, so I don't fall into this group



4) Impatient people.
these people are die-hard matrix fans or die-hard bourne fans and bought into hd-dvd just for them. i want bourne too, but i can wait. buying a ticket on a bus just because it leaves earlier than a jet is foolish, and a fool and his money soon part. no reimbursement deserved there.

I wanted more movies available to me in High-Def so now I'm impatient??? I should have never bought DVDs 12 years ago, and should have been "patient" ??? Is everyone who purchased a CRT television in the past 5 years "stupid" ??? I also didn't even buy the Matrix or Bourne Identity on HD DVD, since they're not very good movies in my opinion. Your Bus/Jet analogy is weak at best.......

5) Rich people.
these people are likely just movie lovers who wanted to cover their bases so they bought into both (and likely knowing one would eventually fall). if someone can afford to invest into both then they can afford to suck it up.

Movie lover yes, but I'm not "rich" by any stretch of the imagination......


if i offended anyone then it's because you fit into one of the above catagories. please don't take it personally, thats no my intent. just accept that you did something stupid with your money.

I did something stupid with my money???? thanks for pointing that out.... last time I checked my HD DVD player didn't implode during the Toshiba announcement.

this was a format war and we ALL took the risk as early adopters of wasting our money. i wan't totally convinced blu-ray would survive when i bought my PS3, but i weighted the evidence and invested accordingly.
in the end it comes down to: why should people who make poor investments get reimbursed while people who make wise investments get nothing? if some idiot M$ fanboys gets reimbursed for the $200 he foolishly spent on an hd-dvd addon, then dammit i deserve $200 of my $700 PS3 for being one who contributed to blu-ray's victory.

Also, I don't want a reimbursment, my HD DVD player still works...... who is demanding retribution???? You whole thread is an attempt for you to feel somehow more informed than others. Many people purchased both formats (and I don't consider it an investment) and are perfectly happy with their choice to do so.....


I still prefer Blu-Ray over HD DVD due to the audio aspect of it.


How many more threads do we need saying that people who purchased HD DVD players are "stupid"

[Beta Man]

[QUOTE=Branden;631715 if hd-dvd owners are going to get pity-money for being stupid then maybe i deserve an equal amount for being smart.[/QUOTE]


where does it say HD DVD owners are getting $$$$$ did I miss the memo?

[JTK]

Nobody reimbursed my dad when he bought into Betamax back in the 70's. Way more money lost there than anyone could have on HD-DVD, although with all the replacements and substitute players some HD-DVD zealots bought to "suppor the cause" amaybe it's closer than I thought.

No one put a gun to anyone's head back then or now and forced them to buy anything, especially in a known time of ucertainty, which is what the definiton of a format war is.

No bail outs. No hand outs, although I know feeling entitled to those things is what swings today.

[BTBuck1]

Look at my sig, am I asking for any return? No way....sheit, I am happy HDDVD is dead!

[theknub]

and what happens to us that kicked up money in the beginning at higher prices? send me 10 free discs and we can talk.

[JTK]

Originally Posted by theknub

and what happens to us that kicked up money in the beginning at higher prices? send me 10 free discs and we can talk.

Exactly.

So many people who had never early adopted before and never would have otherwise jumped into HD-DVD because of the firesale giveaways.

They didn't know this lesson which is: Early adoption means you get to pay premium dollars to be a glorified beta tester.

That's just the way it is. Take it or leave it.

[Dragonraine]

I also own HD DVD and I dont think i should be reimbursed. The movies still play, its not like a time lock just shut them off.

[JTK]

Originally Posted by Dragonraine

I also own HD DVD and I dont think i should be reimbursed. The movies still play, its not like a time lock just shut them off.

No one told you? G-Men in blue suits will be visting your house by midnight tonight...

[Dragonraine]

Originally Posted by JTK

No one told you? G-Men in blue suits will be visting your house by midnight tonight...

Good thing i didnt just answer the door, there were guys in blu shirts knocking. Wonder if I can go into HD protection?

[camper]

HD-DVD owners should not be reimbursed or given incentives, because nobody forced them to purchase those players or discs, and they are not defective in any way - they perform exactly as stated, and will continue to perform.

Further, it is the responsibility of each and every person to manage their purchases and inform themselves of what they are buying, and decide accordingly.

Of course, I also have NO sympathy for those who want to be bailed out of houses they couldn't afford which were purchased using adjustable rate mortgages and subprime lending, so my 'too bad' meter is fully pegged when it comes to the once talked about 'incentives' for former HD-DVD owners.

~Camper

[Blaumann]

Originally Posted by Branden

Why i don't believe hd-dvd owners should be reimbursed for their poor investment.

the way i see it is there are essentailly 5 kinds of hd-dvd owners:

1) M$ fanboys/Sony haters.
these people bought into hd-dvd because of either a blind love for M$, or simply out of spite for sony. being a fanboy of anything is foolish, and a fool and his money soon part. no reimbursement deserved there.

2) People who knowingly bought into a dying format.
these people knew the facts and arguments and still bought into hd-dvd, likely because it was cheaper. these people only think about short-term and invested accordingly. sure they may have saved a bit of money initially, but the short-term has ended and now they feel like fools, and a fool and his money soon part. no reimbursement deserved there.

3) People who ignorantly bought into a dying format.
these are people who walked into bestbuy and believed whatever the moron floorstaff told them (maliciously or not). i do feel a small amount of pity for these people, but when you're about to invest hundreds/thousands of dollars on something it is foolish to NOT do some kind of research, and a fool and his money soon part. no reimbursement deserved there.

4) Impatient people.
these people are die-hard matrix fans or die-hard bourne fans and bought into hd-dvd just for them. i want bourne too, but i can wait. buying a ticket on a bus just because it leaves earlier than a jet is foolish, and a fool and his money soon part. no reimbursement deserved there.

5) Rich people.
these people are likely just movie lovers who wanted to cover their bases so they bought into both (and likely knowing one would eventually fall). if someone can afford to invest into both then they can afford to suck it up.

if i offended anyone then it's because you fit into one of the above catagories. please don't take it personally, thats no my intent. just accept that you did something stupid with your money.

this was a format war and we ALL took the risk as early adopters of wasting our money. i wan't totally convinced blu-ray would survive when i bought my PS3, but i weighted the evidence and invested accordingly.
in the end it comes down to: why should people who make poor investments get reimbursed while people who make wise investments get nothing? if some idiot M$ fanboys gets reimbursed for the $200 he foolishly spent on an hd-dvd addon, then dammit i deserve $200 of my $700 PS3 for being one who contributed to blu-ray's victory.

Wait i own HD DVD as well, so i am, i am, erm, yes there it is: I am impatient and rich. Mostly rich. Payed 350 Euro for my HD DVD player, huge investment! How much is that replacement lamp for my front projector again? Oh yeah, more. Like i said: rich.

tbh: i did it for the movies, i would do it again and i don´t want any reimbursement.

to be really honest: it was clear this might happen and anyone who didn´t know that and whines now about being burned is probably stupid, too lazy to do some research (or in the worst case was mislead, which would be a shame indeed). There is no need for any reimbursements imo.

cheers

[Beta Man]

I'll go one further...... and hopefully end this awful thread.....

If you bought into HD DVD as your sole format, and now feel cheated, jaded, and can't afford Blu-Ray, and feel you are owed something..... You, actually shouldn't have purchased EITHER format, as High-Def gets into a luxury item.... it's not necessary for your day-to-day life, and if you're that price sensitive, then you should still be supporting standard DVD.

Most here can probably think of HUNDREDS of dollars you spend every week on "luxury items" or subscriptions, etc.... like Satellite radio, Satellite T.V., Cable T.V., child-care when other options are available, house-keeper, lawn maintenance, $200 bar-tabs.... you name it... some of you probably do it. If people sacraficed THAT MUCH to get an HD DVD player, they didn't make the wrong format choice.... they made the wrong choice to move into High-Def to begin with!

[reiella]

I can't get reimbursed for the Virtual Boy I bought.
I can't get reimbursed for my SegaCD or Sega32X.
I can't get reimbursed for my Harmony remote that doesn't work on all my Home Theatre components.

Why should I get reimbursed for making an early decision?