3D/2D Displays that support 3D & 2D & 24p at multiplies of the original frame rate

[HDTV1080P]

The list of 3-D displays that support 1080P/24 signals at multiplies of the original frame rate is no longer being updated and has been discontinued.


To view the old list of 3-D Front Projectors click the following link


https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...postcount=1320

[dialog_gvf]

Isn't it possible for a 1080p/60 input to be converted back to 24p?

To me the issue is displaying a 24 fps cadence, not how the image was transported to the set.

[HDTV1080P]

Yes its possible to convert 60 to 24 but doing so can introduce motion artifacts.
The ideal display should be able to accept a 1080P 24/30/60 fps signal from a source that is 1080P. BLU-RAY and HD-DVD movies on the disc are encoded at 1080P/24fps. The advantage of having a display and BLU-RAY player both supporting a 24fps signal from the original source is that one bypass the need of the display having to do a 3:2 pull down. BLU-RAY players and HD-DVD players can introduce motion artifacts with 3:2 pull down when 24 frames is converted to 30 frames. Doing so adds six additional frames. The problem is that jitter during motion can occur. It is possible to do a reverse 3:2 pull down and go from 30 frames to 24 frames which also can lead to motion artifacts.
There are several articles in magazines like Widescreen review and Perfect vision that goes into much more detail about converting frames and the 3:2 pull down process. In general when watching BLU-RAY movies it’s better to keeping the source and input for movies at 24FPS to avoid slight motion artifacts. More and more displays are converting 24FPS material to refresh rates of 72, 96, and 120 for maximum display quality. Flashing each frame 3, 4, or 5 times improves screen imagery that matches the quality of the original film.

[dialog_gvf]

Originally Posted by HDTV1080P

Yes its possible to convert 60 to 24 but doing so can introduce motion artifacts.

Really?

Full frames: AAABBCCCDD -> ABCD

I thought the issues would be in 60i -> 24p.

What sets out there do this 60p -> 24p?

More and more displays are converting 24FPS material to refresh rates of 72, 96, and 120 for maximum display quality. Flashing each frame 3, 4, or 5 times improves screen imagery that matches the quality of the original film.

Some are doing that through creating intermediate frames!

[HDTV1080P]

I don’t know of any sets currently on the market that convert 60P to 24P, but it would be possible to do if that feature was in demand. You would need to then up the 24HZ again to eliminate the flicker. Its better that the display accept the input of the source material then having to convert it. For example if someone is playing a Playstation 3 videogames that was encoded in 1080P/60fps then one would want the display to accept 60HZ signal and display 60HZ or 120HZ refresh rate. 1080P/60 takes a lot of bandwidth and currently no studio broadcast cameras support 1080P/60. Many of the studio cameras broadcasters use 1080P/24 standard. 35MM and 70MM film is also converted to 1080P/24. Broadcasters do not send the signal out at 24HZ since very few monitors support 24HZ. Also the problem with 24HZ is that people would go nuts seeing their monitor flicker every few seconds. Higher refresh rates are always better. Monitors that accept 24fps input have to convert the 24HZ signal from BLU-RAY or HD-DVD players to 48HZ, 72HZ, 96HZ or 120HZ in order to eliminate the flicker of 24HZ video. The higher the refresh rate the less motion artifacts one will see.

[Knight-Errant]

I'm interested in that new front projector of Panasonic's. PT-AE1000U

[dialog_gvf]

Originally Posted by HDTV1080P

2. Sony 70” LCD 1080P KDL-70XBR (scheduled release around Feb

I wonder if Sony will be releasing smaller sizes of this design?

$33K is a tad out of my price range.

Gary

[HDTV1080P]

I would not be surprised that in a year or two years Sony will have this 70” inch LCD for around $15,000. Over time prices will come down. Some of the 100” to 108” LCD screens sale around $100,000. As demand increases for larger screens prices will fall.

[Maximus]

Originally Posted by dialog_gvf

I wonder if Sony will be releasing smaller sizes of this design?

$33K is a tad out of my price range.

Gary

We will have to wait until March for Sony's own press conference where they announce their fall/winter line-up, that is why we did not see too much at CES.

[HDTV1080P]

Here is a updated list of popular HDTV displays and players that accepts a 1080P/24 signal for those that are interested in that feature to completely avoid any 3:2 pulldown problems. Feel free to add to the link as this would be useful information for some people.

1. Sony SXRD 1080P home theater Front Projector VPL-VW50 (Projection Picture Size: 40" to 300" measured diagonally) 96HZ
2. Sony 70” LCD 1080P KDL-70XBR (scheduled release around Feb 28th) 120hz
3. Pioneer PRO-FHD1 1080P 50” Plasma 72HZ
4. Sony BDP-S1 BLU-RAY player
5. Pioneer BDP-HD1 BLU-RAY player
6. Mitsubishi HC5000 1080P LCD Front Projector (Projection Picture Size: 50" to 300" measured diagonally) 48HZ


I am sure 2007 we will see many more 1080P/24 devices. The Mitsubishi HC5000 Front projector received a good review in Perfect Vision Feb 2007 issue. I still prefer the Sony VPL-VW50 which costs $500 more then MIT. Sony model has better contrast ratios and displays 24fps at 96HZ refresh rate. The MIT HC5000 refresh rate is 48HZ when watching 1080P/24 content.

[HDJK]

Originally Posted by HDTV1080P

Here is a updated list of popular HDTV displays and players that accepts a 1080P/24 signal for those that are interested in that feature to completely avoid any 3:2 pulldown problems. Feel free to add to the link as this would be useful information for some people.

1. Sony SXRD 1080P home theater Front Projector VPL-VW50 (Projection Picture Size: 40" to 300" measured diagonally) 96HZ
2. Sony 70” LCD 1080P KDL-70XBR (scheduled release around Feb 28th) 120hz
3. Pioneer PRO-FHD1 1080P 50” Plasma 72HZ
4. Sony BDP-S1 BLU-RAY player
5. Pioneer BDP-HD1 BLU-RAY player
6. Runco XP-65DHD 65” Plasma
7.Mitsubishi HC5000 1080P LCD Front Projector (Projection Picture Size: 50" to 300" measured diagonally) 48HZ

I just wanted to say thanks for this list; I will keep an eye on it. It is really hard to get exact information of this kind from the manufacturers homepages. They usually just say '1080P' and that's it. Right now I am waiting for my NEC 2690WUXI and my PS3 to arrive. Sitting in front of my 'apple' in a distance of no more than 3 feet I am sure I will enjoy all the BLU-Glory But if the PS3 should ever do 1080/24P and if there is a display affordable enough to handle it, then it is time to move the setup to the living room. So I hope this list keeps going

[Blackraven]

You can also include the following units from Pioneer:

Pioneer Pure Vision HD Plasma Displays
PDP-507XG and PDP-427XG (7th gen Pioneer Plasma TV panel)

http://www.pioneer.com.sg/storefront/brochure/7GPDP.pdf

Take note though that these are only for Asia-Pacific, Middle East, Australia and New Zealand. So for you people over there in "Stateside" , I dunno if you have an equivalent model for it.

Here's the funny thing though:
It CAN accept a 1080p/24fps signal but it CANNOT do 1080p at 50 and 60hz modes.

In other words, this is not 100% FULL HD. :P

[TauHeel05]

What's the best way to watch a blu-ray using the PS3 in order to utilize the encoded frame rate of 24 fps? Is it better with 60Hz or 120Hz? I have noticed at stores the 120Hz almost makes the video presentation look "fake."

Also...with the samsung ln46a750 can I cut off the 120Hz if need be?

[BettiePage]

http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/..._112208:header

Motionflow 240Hz but still 24p True Cinema capable (guessing with MF turned off)

$4200

Now need to wait on an official review to compare blacks and colors against other LCD or Plasma panels.

[Rocko]

Does the Sony KDL-40W4500 & KDL-46W4500 show 1080p/24 correctly?

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by Maxpower1987

We will have to wait until March for Sony's own press conference where they announce their fall/winter line-up, that is why we did not see too much at CES.

I have to admit that I'm very much looking forward to this.

[HDTV1080P]

List has been updated,
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The Optoma HD81 was updated to list (48HZ) for the film mode for 1080P/24 material. Reference for this is Widescreen Review page 30 of the March 2007 magazine.

According to the specs the LG BH100 universal Super Multi Blue Player supports 1080P/24. It is a shame that this player does not support IHD on HD-DVD’s. I would not purchase a universal player that did not work correctly with either BLU-RAY or HD-DVD. I would like to see a review of this player since early reports were that when watching HD-DVD movies one can not fast forward or rewind but need to do a chapter skip function instead. What a joke plus the HD-DVD menus don’t work. This LG player could have been an awesome product if it fully supported HD-DVD and BLU-RAY.

http://us.lge.com/download/product/file/1000002028/BH100.pdf

JVC DLA-HD1 supports 1080P/24 and versions of PAL (I would like to see a review on this JVC unit, the specs are as good as the Sony and this JVC might be slightly better quality. Costs $1300 more then the Sony.)
Digital Input Modes: 480i/p, 576i/p, 720p 60/50, 1080i 60/50, 1080 24p/60p/50p
Analog Input Modes: 480i/p, 576i/p, 720p 60/50, 1080i 60/50
http://www.jvc.com/product.jsp?modelId=MODL027863&pathId=140&page=2

Project design model three 1080P DLP Front Project (Page 94 March 2007 Perfect Vision magazine) 1080P/24 support $24,495, lamp replacement $599 every 2000-4000 hours. Screen size 30”-955”.

[HDTV1080P]

I have added the Sony BDP-S300 to the list. This player does 1080P/24 and is scheduled for a summer release. Once all the stories sell out of the Sony BDP-S1 in several months to a year I will remove this player from the list.

http://www.twice.com/article/CA6420089.html

QUOTE:
“The new player will output full 1,080p resolution over its HDMI v1.3 output at 24 fps. It will also up convert images to 1,080p format. HD component video outputs are also added for older HDTV displays.
Sony said the player will support forthcoming AVC-HD discs encoded with xvYCC technology that expands the available color gamut 1.8 times. Also included is the BRAVIA Theater Sync system that uses HDMI connectivity to integrate the operation of a series of connected BRAVIA components through a single remote.
Other features include multichannel linear PCM digital audio output via HDMI and can decode Dolby Digital Plus sound tracks.
Support is also included for BD-ROM, BD-Java, AVC-HD, DVD video, CD audio, MP3 audio files and JPEG photo files stored on DVD recordable media, including the DVD+R/+RW and DVD-R/-RW formats.”

[vick vega]

So no Sxrds' the a 2020 can't accept 1080p? When will Sony have a rear projection tv that can accept 1080p signal?

[HDTV1080P]

Originally Posted by vick vega

So no Sxrds' the a 2020 can't accept 1080p? When will Sony have a rear projection tv that can accept 1080p signal?

These are the only current know rear projectors that have a 1080P/24 input and have refresh rates at multiplies of the original frame

Sony KDF-50E3000 LCD Rear Projector (scheduled release summer 2007)
Sony KDF-46E3000 LCD Rear Projector (scheduled release summer 2007)
NuVision 52LEDLP (No Color Wheel, no rainbows,3 LEDS, power 100-240V 50/60HZ ) 72HZ

Most likely this September 2007 or September 2008 Sony will have some rear projector SXRD sets with 1080P/24 inputs with refresh rates of 96HZ or 120HZ. I am hoping this year we will see something.