The Alamo (John Wayne) 3 Disc Digibook - Blu-ray Forum

Pekosbill · 03-02-2021, 09:36 AM

The Alamo Blu-ray

The Alamo Blu-ray

Alamo (John Wayne) 1960
Limited 3 Disc Collectors Edition

May 12 from Koch Films

drush9999 · 03-02-2021, 10:30 AM

Wonder if it will have the Roadshow version in SD, or a combination with SD inserts.

atfree · 03-02-2021, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by drush9999

Wonder if it will have the Roadshow version in SD, or a combination with SD inserts.

Looks like cut version....

https://bluray-disc.de/blu-ray-filme...ion_cover_b_2_

veyron · 03-03-2021, 11:06 AM

It will have the directors cut in SD according to sources.

BarnDoor · 03-03-2021, 11:12 AM

Specs here:

https://shop.kochfilms.de/de/alamo

McCrutchy · 03-03-2021, 11:35 AM

The Mediabook with vastly superior artwork is exclusive to the new Koch Films shop, which is still not shipping to the USA.

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Extras and special features

First release worldwide on Blu-ray
German and English cinema trailer
Original Director's Cut version in SD (approx. 202 minutes)
Video essay "Duke's dream project - Mike Siegel on THE ALAMO" (approx. 37 minutes)
Making of documentary "John Wayne's THE ALAMO" (approx. 70 minutes)
Contemporary documentary "The Spirit of ALAMO" (approx. 51 minutes)
Documentation "John Wayne - An American Legend" (approx. 58 minutes)
Three slide shows with rare advertising material and photos from the set (approx. 36 minutes)
Booklet by Mike Siegel

There obviously isn't a German dub available for the long version, so that and the 202-minute run time should hopefully mean it's in the original NTSC and not PAL format.

rickardl · 03-03-2021, 12:12 PM

So it seams this is the disposition:
blu-ray : theatrical 162 minutes
blu-ray : director's cut in SD 202 minutes
DVD: theatrical 155 minutes

saltysam · 03-03-2021, 12:19 PM

Pity they couldn't have reconstructed the DC in HD using SD inserts.

darthtater · 03-03-2021, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by McCrutchy

The Mediabook with vastly superior artwork is exclusive to the new Koch Films shop, which is still not shipping to the USA.

Even the Amazon.de version isn’t available to pre-order with shipping to the US!

CinemaScope · 03-03-2021, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by darthtater

Even the Amazon.de version isn’t available to pre-order with shipping to the US!

The release date is over two months away. I expect it'll be announced in other countries.

RICKBONDOO7 · 03-03-2021, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by McCrutchy

The Mediabook with vastly superior artwork is exclusive to the new Koch Films shop, which is still not shipping to the USA.

There obviously isn't a German dub available for the long version, so that and the 202-minute run time should hopefully mean it's in the original NTSC and not PAL format.

Why does Germany get a Bluray release of The Alamo before us here in the USA ???

Ridiculous !

Gacivory · 03-03-2021, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by RICKBONDOO7

Why does Germany get a Bluray release of The Alamo before us here in the USA ???

Ridiculous !

I guess America forgot the Alamo.

Geode · 03-04-2021, 03:42 AM

Who did the "director's cut"....? Somehow I doubt John Wayne had anything to do with it.

SpaceBlackKnight · 03-04-2021, 03:50 AM

The "Directors Cut" is actually the longer Roadshow version that premiered first, while the 162 mins RT for the general release theatrical cut that the OCN was butchered to. Story goes that there were only a couple prints of the Premire/Roadshow version ever made, and MGM/UA got a hold of one of the last surviving 70mm prints and used it for a 1980s video restoration.

Unfortunately, this only surviving 70mm element was not cared for properly in MGM's archives and requires a ton of expensive restoration work no one is willing to spend.

malcy30 · 03-04-2021, 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by SpaceBlackKnight

Unfortunately, this only surviving 70mm element was not cared for properly in MGM's archives and requires a ton of expensive restoration work no one is willing to spend.

You would have hoped some of the film billionaires who have funded other 4K restoration as seen with some of the Warner Archive titles may have coughed up.

Guess the problem is the negative as you say is in a shocking state so a restoration would cost a fortune and John Wayne probably isn’t the most popular actor in modern Hollywood.

We need some of the rich Texans to pay instead

Bates_Motel · 03-04-2021, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by RICKBONDOO7

Why does Germany get a Bluray release of The Alamo before us here in the USA ???

Ridiculous !

Because it won't look great, since it needs a full blown restoration. Not ridiculous, if you want a shoddy-looking disc based on a DVD master. Because that's the only master available to use.

TKAdvancer · 03-04-2021, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Bates_Motel

Because it won't look great, since it needs a full blown restoration. Not ridiculous, if you want a shoddy-looking disc based on a DVD master. Because that's the only master available to use.

Koch is not a shoddy one. They are not known for lousy SD releases in HD containers. May be it won't be 4K crisp, but it will still be a good BD. I'm sure, otherwise they would not released the title..........We will see. I ordered the Cover B in the Koch Shop

Douglas R · 03-04-2021, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by CinemaScope

The release date is over two months away. I expect it'll be announced in other countries.

I doubt it. This is solely a Koch domestic release.

CinemaScope · 03-04-2021, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by TKAdvancer

Koch is not a shoddy one. They are not known for lousy SD releases in HD containers. May be it won't be 4K crisp, but it will still be a good BD. I'm sure, otherwise they would not released the title..........We will see. I ordered the Cover B in the Koch Shop

I agree about Koch, they do some great stuff, & I have a few of their releases. I bought the Mediabook of Taras Bulba (1962) & it was better than other Blu-ray releases, stereo soundtrack & cleaned-up picture. I'll be buying this one.

captainsolo · 03-04-2021, 11:21 PM

Wow! I can't believe anyone is even attempting to do this!

If they got ahold of the lone SD master of the roadshow made for the Laserdisc release it should be the best we've gotten to date. That lone 70mm print was discovered and used on the LD boxset release and was spiffed up in the late format era along with select other MGM titles in very limited quantities with almost identical covers. The difference being usually a spiffed up transfer and addition of ac3. That is why the ac3 version of the Roadshow is so much rarer and more valuable. It's the most valuable LD I own and I had gotten used to the idea no one would veer try and tackle it again.

If Koch got a hold of the D1 master tape made for the LD release it could result in a pretty solid DVD quality rendition of the film-and hopefully they got the 2.0 matrixed stereo and 5.1 ac3.

I've often wondered about trying to mix in LD and DVD elements to make a better looking roadshow cut but the DVD isn't that great.

03-02-2021, 09:36 AM	#1
Pekosbill Active Member Member since:Aug 2011 Location:Santa Monica, CA	The Alamo (John Wayne) 3 Disc Digibook The Alamo Blu-ray The Alamo Blu-ray Alamo (John Wayne) 1960 Limited 3 Disc Collectors Edition May 12 from Koch Films Last edited by Deciazulado; 04-06-2021 at 10:08 PM.

03-04-2021, 11:21 PM	#20
captainsolo Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Jan 2011 4K collection:155 Blu-ray collection:1268 DVD collection:353 Blu-ray reviews:3 Trading Score:19	Wow! I can't believe anyone is even attempting to do this! If they got ahold of the lone SD master of the roadshow made for the Laserdisc release it should be the best we've gotten to date. That lone 70mm print was discovered and used on the LD boxset release and was spiffed up in the late format era along with select other MGM titles in very limited quantities with almost identical covers. The difference being usually a spiffed up transfer and addition of ac3. That is why the ac3 version of the Roadshow is so much rarer and more valuable. It's the most valuable LD I own and I had gotten used to the idea no one would veer try and tackle it again. If Koch got a hold of the D1 master tape made for the LD release it could result in a pretty solid DVD quality rendition of the film-and hopefully they got the 2.0 matrixed stereo and 5.1 ac3. I've often wondered about trying to mix in LD and DVD elements to make a better looking roadshow cut but the DVD isn't that great. Last edited by captainsolo; 03-04-2021 at 11:25 PM.

03-02-2021, 10:30 AM	#2
drush9999 Blu-ray Baron Top contributor Member since:Nov 2016 Location:Sutton Coldfield, England 4K collection:566 Blu-ray collection:6092 DVD collection:488 Trading Score:1	Wonder if it will have the Roadshow version in SD, or a combination with SD inserts.

03-03-2021, 11:06 AM	#4
veyron Senior Member Member since:Mar 2014 4K collection:54 Blu-ray collection:55	It will have the directors cut in SD according to sources.

03-03-2021, 11:12 AM	#5
BarnDoor Blu-ray Baron Top contributor Member since:Jan 2010 4K collection:338 Blu-ray collection:6006 Trading Score:3	Specs here: https://shop.kochfilms.de/de/alamo

03-03-2021, 12:12 PM	#7
rickardl Senior Member Top contributor Member since:Mar 2012 Location:Sweden 4K collection:506 Blu-ray collection:1978 DVD collection:814	So it seams this is the disposition: blu-ray : theatrical 162 minutes blu-ray : director's cut in SD 202 minutes DVD: theatrical 155 minutes

03-03-2021, 12:19 PM	#8
saltysam Blu-ray Guru Member since:Mar 2010 Location:Liverpool,UK 4K collection:273 Blu-ray collection:770 Trading Score:3	Pity they couldn't have reconstructed the DC in HD using SD inserts.

03-04-2021, 03:42 AM	#13
Geode Special Member Top contributor Member since:Jun 2011 Location:Bangkok, Thailand 4K collection:138 Blu-ray collection:2341 DVD collection:428 Blu-ray reviews:3	Who did the "director's cut"....? Somehow I doubt John Wayne had anything to do with it.

03-04-2021, 03:50 AM	#14
SpaceBlackKnight Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Jul 2018 4K collection:25 Blu-ray collection:346 Digital collection:20	The "Directors Cut" is actually the longer Roadshow version that premiered first, while the 162 mins RT for the general release theatrical cut that the OCN was butchered to. Story goes that there were only a couple prints of the Premire/Roadshow version ever made, and MGM/UA got a hold of one of the last surviving 70mm prints and used it for a 1980s video restoration. Unfortunately, this only surviving 70mm element was not cared for properly in MGM's archives and requires a ton of expensive restoration work no one is willing to spend.

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