Bitstreaming...

[Leopold BUTTERS]

so what does Dolby True HD and DTS MA HD bitstreaming mean? and what kind of a set up do you need to use bitstreaming? I noticed the new sharp bd player only does DTS MA HD bitstreaming.

[Slec]

Originally Posted by Leopold BUTTERS

so what does Dolby True HD and DTS MA HD bitstreaming mean? and what kind of a set up do you need to use bitstreaming? I noticed the new sharp bd player only does DTS MA HD bitstreaming.

Basically it means that the player doesn't decode these formats. However, through HDMI, you can send the information packets to a receiver for decoding (as long as the receiver has HDMI and can decode both formats) into sound. Players that decode internally take the packets and turn it into PCM and then send out over HDMI or Multi-channel.

[Leopold BUTTERS]

ohhh okay i get it now...i think so since my Reciever does not decoded DTS MA or DDTHD and has hdmi if my BD player only Bitstreams those i will not be able to get DTS MA or DDTHD right?

[Slec]

Originally Posted by Leopold BUTTERS

ohhh okay i get it now...i think so since my Reciever does not decoded DTS MA or DDTHD and has hdmi if my BD player only Bitstreams those i will not be able to get DTS MA or DDTHD right?

Correct. What receiver do you have? I can only think of 1 or 2 with HDMI but don't decode TrueHD or DTSHD-MA...

[RUR]

Originally Posted by Slec

Basically it means that the receiver doesn't decode these formats. However, through HDMI, you can send the information packets to a receiver for decoding (as long as the receiver has HDMI and can decode both formats) into sound. Players that decode internally take the packets and turn it into PCM and then send out over HDMI or Multi-channel.

Your first sentence should read "....it means that the player doesn't decode these formats."

[sokrman14]

Originally Posted by Slec

Correct. What receiver do you have? I can only think of 1 or 2 with HDMI but don't decode TrueHD or DTSHD-MA...

And there are about 3 years worth of receivers with HDMI that don't decode those formats.

[Slec]

Originally Posted by RUR

Your first sentence should read "....it means that the player doesn't decode these formats."

nono, read it again, that's what it says <enter ninja edit>

and kids, let that be a lesson to you, don't drink and post!

[Leopold BUTTERS]

I have a sony 810...and it doesn't decode either formats..oh well now i know which new BD player I have to get.

[Slec]

Originally Posted by sokrman14

And there are about 3 years worth of receivers with HDMI that don't decode those formats.

you mean my memory is not the penultimate of receiver knowledge?

[crackinhedz]

Leopold, buddy.

Your Sharp BD player internally decodes Dolby TrueHD...and Uncompressed PCM is mandatory...over the HDMI connection. Your Sony STR-DG810 is capable of 5.1 PCM.

so you can hear 5.1 TrueHD and Uncompressed PCM audio from your 810. Unfortunately Dts-HD Ma is not possible with the Sharp. (someone correct me if im wrong?)

why did you want a new BD player?

[crackinhedz]

In other words...don't worry about Bitstream.

If anything, you could upgrade the Receiver.

[Leopold BUTTERS]

Originally Posted by crackinhedz

Leopold, buddy.

Your Sharp BD player internally decodes Dolby TrueHD...and Uncompressed PCM is mandatory...over the HDMI connection. Your Sony STR-DG810 is capable of 5.1 PCM.

so you can hear 5.1 TrueHD and Uncompressed PCM audio from your 810. Unfortunately Dts-HD Ma is not possible with the Sharp. (someone correct me if im wrong?)

why did you want a new BD player?

Well, mostly because I want some DTS MA which my sharp cannot do, you are correct, and the new sharp only Bitstreams it so I am thinking of the Panny BD-50 plus then i have a BD player for my bedroom

[crackinhedz]

Originally Posted by Leopold BUTTERS

so I am thinking of the Panny BD-50

that would be a good choice if you do go that route.

[blademan88]

I have the Arcam AVP700... should I worry about bitstreaming? I'm trying to decide if to get a PS3 tomorrow or a Blu Ray player that supports bitstreaming, and it owuld be really helpful if someone could tell me if I should worry or not. Thanks a ton!
-Ori

Bitstreaming is overwhelming

[RUR]

Originally Posted by blademan88

I have the Arcam AVP700... should I worry about bitstreaming? I'm trying to decide if to get a PS3 tomorrow or a Blu Ray player that supports bitstreaming, and it owuld be really helpful if someone could tell me if I should worry or not. Thanks a ton!
-Ori

Bitstreaming is overwhelming

Man, the specs on their website leave much to be desired, and it's too close to beddy-bye time to download and read the manual, so...

If the AVP700 decodes TrueHD/DTS HD MA, you can bitstream. If it does not decode these audio codecs, you'll need to buy a player which decodes them and sends them as MPCM to the AVP700. Several current players bitstream these codecs, a few decode TrueHD, but IIRC only one will decode both TrueHD and DTS HD MA (Denon 3800). The soon-to-be-released Panny BD50 and Sony550 will decode both when they arrive. PS3 decodes True HD now, and there's solid info that DTS HD MA decoding is coming. When, we don't exactly know.

[blademan88]

Originally Posted by RUR

Man, the specs on their website leave much to be desired, and it's too close to beddy-bye time to download and read the manual, so...

If the AVP700 decodes TrueHD/DTS HD MA, you can bitstream. If it does not decode these audio codecs, you'll need to buy a player which decodes them and sends them as MPCM to the AVP700. Several current players bitstream these codecs, a few decode TrueHD, but IIRC only one will decode both TrueHD and DTS HD MA (Denon 3800). The soon-to-be-released Panny BD50 and Sony550 will decode both when they arrive. PS3 decodes True HD now, and there's solid info that DTS HD MA decoding is coming. When, we don't exactly know.

Thank you very much for the help, I've been checking just about every two minutes for an update I'm a bit confused though, are you saying most players cannot bitstream, similar to the PS3? Also, are you saying the PS3 can now bitstream True HD?

[RUR]

Originally Posted by blademan88

Thank you very much for the help, I've been checking just about every two minutes for an update I'm a bit confused though, are you saying most players cannot bitstream, similar to the PS3? Also, are you saying the PS3 can now bitstream True HD?

Actually more players bitstream than decode TrueHD/DTS HD MA, which makes player selection easier, if your AVP700 will decode these codecs. Fewer players currently decode TrueHD and, for the moment, only one will decode both TrueHD and DTS HD MA. PS3 is a good choice for decoding in player, though you'll have to wait for DTS HD MA decoding. PS3 will not bitstream either codec due to chip limitations.

[blademan88]

Originally Posted by RUR

Actually more players bitstream than decode TrueHD/DTS HD MA, which makes player selection easier, if your AVP700 will decode these codecs. Fewer players currently decode TrueHD and, for the moment, only one will decode both TrueHD and DTS HD MA. PS3 is a good choice for decoding in player, though you'll have to wait for DTS HD MA decoding.

Alright, now I'm certainly confused, heh Let me try and see if I get this.

If a Blu Ray player bitstreams, that means the receiver decodes. If it bitstreams, it means the player decodes and the receiver just needs to play it. If I'm correct, the PS3 does not bitstream and the question is if my Arcam can decode the signal since the PS3 can't bitstream?

Now, most blu ray players are capable of bitstreaming and all the receiver needs to do is play it?

And finally, you're saying that the PS3 can now bitstream True HD so I don't need to worry about my receiver being able to decode True HD if I get a PS3?

Sorry about all the questions, just audio is extremely important to me, and trying to make sense of it all

Appreciate the help a ton!

[RUR]

Originally Posted by blademan88

Alright, now I'm certainly confused, heh Let me try and see if I get this.

If a Blu Ray player bitstreams, that means the receiver decodes.

Yes

If it bitstreams, it means the player decodes and the receiver just needs to play it.

No. When bitstreaming, the player does not decode, but sends the codec info via bitstream which is decoded in the receiver.

If I'm correct, the PS3 does not bitstream and the question is if my Arcam can decode the signal since the PS3 can't bitstream?.

Yes and no. The PS3 cannot and almost certainly will never be capable of bitstreaming. Since the PS3 will decode TrueHD (and send it as MPCM to the AVP700 to be played), no decoding is necessary in the AVP700.

Now, most blu ray players are capable of bitstreaming and all the receiver needs to do is play it?.

Nope, see above. Bitstreamed data requires decoding in the receiver.

And finally, you're saying that the PS3 can now bitstream True HD so I don't need to worry about my receiver being able to decode True HD if I get a PS3?

Actually, I'm saying the PS3 won't bitstream, but it will decode. This will work with your AVP700.

Sorry about all the questions, just audio is extremely important to me, and trying to make sense of it all

Appreciate the help a ton!

No worries.

[blademan88]

Thank you so so much for those clarifications RUR, extremely helpful!

Few more questions for ya

Does this essentially mean that a PS3 is better than a player that bitstreams?Why would you not want a player that bitstreams? Should I ever have problems than with True HD and DTS HD with my receiver if I use a PS3? Thanks once again, you've been so helpful!