What is this new microchip that may be used by the music industry instead of BD?

[AlexKx]

So what's the latest with the possiblity of the music industry adopting Blu-Ray as a new format like Universal Music claimed was going to happen over the past few years now that there is some micro-chip thing supposedly going to happen instead? Man these people are really incompetent in terms of confusing the public and blowing their chances on using Blu-Ray for a format which is far superior than what they are going to be offering. I am really mad at this moment.

[DealsR4theDevil]

I really expect the music industry to stick with digital copies of their songs. People have gotten use to and prefer to have all of their songs on one device so they can play it in any order they want. They will probably focus on DRM.

And to all of you people who still steal music online. I was one of you back when the only other option was $14 for a CD with only one song i wanted on it. But now I buy all my music from iTunes. Honestly people, 99 cents a song is not an unreasonable price.

[haushausman]

I can see the music industry sticking with CDs for another 10 years. "If it aint broke don't fix it" kinda thing.

[prerich]

Originally Posted by AlexKx

So what's the latest with the possiblity of the music industry adopting Blu-Ray as a new format like Universal Music claimed was going to happen over the past few years now that there is some micro-chip thing supposedly going to happen instead? Man these people are really incompetent in terms of confusing the public and blowing their chances on using Blu-Ray for a format which is far superior than what they are going to be offering. I am really mad at this moment.

Confused how ? Most of us music lovers are 2 channel people anyway (I listen to all of my music in 2 channel mode). CD's are already lossless. Multi channel audio is cool, but I enjoy 2 channel better. It's not about the format - its about the product. Flac and other lossless formats are great also - I just want to hear the music. And yes 99 cents a song is more than worth it!!!! Seems music is the one thing that people don't have to have physical media to enjoy.

[AlexKx]

I really do have to take people by the hand EVERY time to explain this.

Physical formats are not going to die because people are going to want the best sound quality possible and have back-ups in case their hard drives crash or what have you. They also are going to want the artwork and liner notes with information. SO both physical and digital will exist. The digital will exist in particular for portability reasons and ease of use.

With Blu-Ray you will be able to give incentive to the public to purchase their albums (c.d.s/l.p.s) all over again because for the first time in human history you will be able to have room on one disc for BONUS FEATURES such as alternative versions of songs, different edits, demos, outtakes, instrumental, remixes, short promotional films (music videos), old interviews (audio and film), new interviews (audio and film), documentaries on the album and project at the time, 5.1, and GREAT packaging hopefully something bigger than what c.d.s have to offer. I would suggest going back to vinyl type of packaging with a better material than the slip covers use to be as over time they change color and get beaten up.

Why in the hell would the music industry stick with a format OR use some new one like this micro-chip thing that is INFERIOR to what Blu-Ray can do?!! Especially when now for the first time in human history you can have ONE format for movies, videos, and music? What is SO difficult to understand about this? I swear to god!

[AlexKx]

I don't know how you can say "most of us" when the public STILL don't know what 5.1 is so how can they have an opinion when they are so uninformed?! The point is for god's sake is that Blu-Ray would have the STORAGE capability to allow you to listen to the music however you want whether in 5.1 or 2.0 or what have you. Are MY micro-chips messed up? I swear I thought this was one of the benefits of Blu-Ray over the past EIGHT years waiting for this format to come out and now everyone just like so "whatever" about it.

Are Neil Young and Nine Inch Nails so misinformed that they are making mistakes using Blu-Ray the way I have understood it could and SHOULD be used to its best abilities? What is this INSANE logic of having the ability to do something that is ALREADY BEING SOLD and refusing to use it to its best potential?! This is asinine.

[Carlsberg19]

Originally Posted by DealsR4theDevil

I really expect the music industry to stick with digital copies of their songs. People have gotten use to and prefer to have all of their songs on one device so they can play it in any order they want. They will probably focus on DRM.

And to all of you people who still steal music online. I was one of you back when the only other option was $14 for a CD with only one song i wanted on it. But now I buy all my music from iTunes. Honestly people, 99 cents a song is not an unreasonable price.

Yes i use to be one of them, most of friends still are, downloading tunes for free n stuff, but for some reason i am going all legit lol! i guess i got tired of searching for songs on kazaa and the likes and dealing with random disconnects in the downloads and looking for other hosts etc, where as now i use www.mp3sale.ru 10 cent a track, or new albums for as little as €1.50 and your guaranteed to interrupts in the download as the songs download straight of a server

I would never use i-tunes simply because its a very domineering software, filled with DRM and the i-tunes software itself is slow,laggy and generally annoying to use.

[AlexKx]

Why is there a format that ALREADY EXISTS on the shelves for movies (Blu-Ray hello?) and yet some sort of backwards logic says to continue selling an inferior format (c.d.s) for music? Can someone answer this for me? Wouldn't you all want all of those bonus features or IF NOT you all then don't you all think the public would be interested in them? If not then why do movies CONSTANTLY continue to have them?!

Wouldn't it make sense to be able to purchase the album on Blu-Ray with all of these features and then be able to put the music you want on your iPod?

[fighthefutureofhd]

because cd's are not an inferior product. they are better than blu-ray for music. the biggest reason for this is because you cannot play blu-ray on the bus, in a car, or on a plane for example. cd's can be played anywhere so long as you have a discman. and most people have that. there is no bluman so blu-ray for music just doesn't make any sense. most people don't even have a blu-ray player and probably don't intend on getting one for a good long while.

if the music industry switched to blu-ray over cd's i would so flipping mad. i wouldn't be able to use them and i wouldn't buy any more music. if i can't listen to my music outside of the house than what good does it do me? none! i do have a zune and i love it, but i want to have the cd option in case my zune stops working (like it has at the moment). i don't want to be stuck. i can't ever see blu-ray being used for music. it's just not a smart idea at all.

[AlexKx]

None of what you said is LOGICAL FightTheFutureOfHD. OBVIOUSLY the industry would have to come out with players that play Blu-Ray for music. I really feel like I am speaking to neanderthalls. Obviously they would also have to play c.d.s as well. LIKE BLU-RAY disc players play d.v.d.s!!! JEEZUS!! Don't Blu-Ray players play c.d.s now as it is?! (What is Zune anyways and how does that play into the public?!!) And yet NO ONE adresses the whole bonus features I am talking about.

[fighthefutureofhd]

but the player wouldn't be portable would it? a discman can be played anywhere. the logistics of portable blu-ray music player would be hard. even if they did get one off the ground it would cost an arm and a leg. the players wouldn't be able to go mass market because of the price. and i would assume that the blu-ray disc themselves would be expensive. why would the labels funnel money into this when discmans and cd's are so cheap? the consumer wouldn't bite. it doesn't make any sense for music to go blu-ray. how do zunes play into the public? they're microsoft's version of the ipod.


they have their own version of itunes as well. that's how they play into the public. as for the bonus content, i think it's bunk. if the labels and artists want to add bonus content like alternate versions, edits, demos, remixes, and such they can already do so. it's called a cd. and it's also called a deluxe edition. they already offer this stuff. seriously, though blu-ray for music won't take off. take a look at dvd-a for example. that went south fast. i don't think blu-ray will do much better. at the moment people like cd just fine.

[AlexKx]

I am sorry I have been so mean and rude! I feel like I have to grab everyone by the you know what's to get people to discuss this.

I haven't the foggiest idea what the expense would be to create a portable Blu-Ray disc player but I don't know what's going on with people nowadays with this give up attitude about EVERYTHING. When I was growing up and until a few years ago there was the expectation that people could do anything they set their minds to. So I don't really know why a major international industry could not figure out how to play Blu-Ray discs on portable devices when they clearly have with every other format. Price never was an issue before at least at some point. To be honest I have also addressed the issue of portability in terms of how MP3 will stick around.

I also try to think what is logical and not just what I or you want. Obviously artists can add and sell these bonus features on c.d. or d.v.d WHICH IS THE POINT BECAUSE THEY DO SELL THESE THINGS but obviously it involves what? MORE DISCS!!! Why god-tell if the average price of c.d.s is now going to be ten U.S. dollars OR LESS then if bonus features were added could the price not go up a bit even near the price of what c.d.s use to cost in order to get hours of features that would ENHANCE the discs?

The whole reason why d.v.d.-Audio and Super Audio C.D.s did not take take off was because people were confused with TWO new formats being sold at the same time. The same reason I was so freakin' concerned about Blu-Ray failing because of the incompetent H.D.-D.V.D. mindset and misinformation campaign. Also the public would have had to buy a new player for something portable (which again is solved by MP3s now whereas that was not so much an option in the late 1990's when D.V.D.-Audio and Super Audio C.D.s started) but if the music industry would adopt Blu-Ray this WOULD NOT BE AN ISSUE since they would already have Blu-Ray players for their movies.

Am I retarded or does anything that I say make sense?

[Anthony P]

Confused how ? Most of us music lovers are 2 channel people anyway (I listen to all of my music in 2 channel mode). CD's are already lossless

lol, you consider yourself a music lover and CD is good enough and losseless? Yes some say they prefer 2CH (I can't understand why they would be against more channels) but CD is LPCM 16/44 that is way below the audio of DVD 16/48 and what BD can be 2ch 32/192. Why wouldn't you want all the detail in the music if you can get it (even in 2ch) you are missing the soul of the music, you are against something better and you consider yourself a music fan.

[Anthony P]

but the player wouldn't be portable would it?

why not?

the logistics of portable blu-ray music player would be hard.

why?

[Marquoz]

The music industry isn't targeting home users with these micro SD cards, they are targeting the users on the go. Cell phones don't have BD capabilities, Zune/iPods can't use BDs either. For the target audience this is a better way to go, it gives them instant use of the product by putting the card in their phone without having to rip it off the BD put it on their computer, and then send it to their phone. There's not much use in a BD in these instances.

[Dagger]

An advantage over Blu Ray vs SACD in DVD-Audio is that if you own a Blu Ray player, you won't need another piece of equipment to play Blu Ray music.

Also, it will depend on content (sound familiar). SACD and DVD-Audio sound fantastic but there's just not enough content (unless your a jazz or classical lover) for me to go all out into either format.

Lastly, although I would love to see Blu Ray audio discs come out, the popularity of MP3 says a lot - the majority of people value $ and convenience over sound quality. I think it would be difficult for music companies to the hardware companies that going into Blu Ray audio would be a profitable venture. I hope I'm wrong.

[blu2]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

why not?

why?

There will ultimately be Blu Ray portables, but they'll likely be more akin to portable DVD players than a device aimed at primarily as a music player.

A portable Blu Ray player would be just too large a device to cut it today as a music player (for anyone but a very small niche market)

And there's really no point: assuming Blu Ray Audio takes off, there's no reason to have a Blu Ray portable music player - all you would need is the ability to transfer the music to hard-drive/flash player that can handle the codecs in question.

[saprano]

Originally Posted by DealsR4theDevil

And to all of you people who still steal music online. I was one of you back when the only other option was $14 for a CD with only one song i wanted on it. But now I buy all my music from iTunes. Honestly people, 99 cents a song is not an unreasonable price.

Huh? free is also not a unreasonable price. and its not stealing its sharing

[ObiTrentKenobi]

Originally Posted by AlexKx

Why is there a format that ALREADY EXISTS on the shelves for movies (Blu-Ray hello?) and yet some sort of backwards logic says to continue selling an inferior format (c.d.s) for music? Can someone answer this for me? Wouldn't you all want all of those bonus features or IF NOT you all then don't you all think the public would be interested in them? If not then why do movies CONSTANTLY continue to have them?!

Wouldn't it make sense to be able to purchase the album on Blu-Ray with all of these features and then be able to put the music you want on your iPod?

Are you forgetting where many people use their cd's/mp3 players?? In their car! To take your music collection onto Blu Ray is cool and there are many benefits of an album on bluray, however, you would then have to have a bluray player in your car to use it! And to rip it onto a cd, you would (at the moment) need a pc with a bluray drive. This is costing the average person a lot of money to switch their music to bluray as well as their movies.

I predict cd's to last about another 10 years.

I personally like the idea of buying albums on blu-ray with all the bonus content, but in the long run it's gonna cost a lot! at least for another 5 years or so, (or however long it takes for bluray players to come to 100 bucks).

[AlexKx]

Did it not cost whatever amount of money to put a tape player in people's cars? Then how about that new format called c.d.s? Didn't it cost people MORE money to put that into their cars? So what in the world is the problem NOW of having a Blu-Ray player that would play just the music off of a disc?

Haven't I addressed the problem (of which I don't think there is one) of portability with the fact that that's what MP3s are for?

In terms of it "costing the average payer a lot of money to switch from c.d. to Blu-Ray" isn't that what happened with vinyl to eight track to cassette to c.d.? Besides isn't the point (again and again) that Blu-Ray players PLAY C.D.s?! So people would not have to buy new discs again if they so choose. Just the ones they want. Right? Am I wrong?

I am shocked at some of the reasoning here by some people as I don't know how well it has stood up to when any other format came along. My point is I am freaking out because the musicians I am obsessed with are now all in their early 60's and I am afraid that they will not be able to be involved as much as possible to do new interviews for documentaries as well as the fact that there are recordings, history, and memories from the last hundred years that still have yet to be documented and in some cases preserved as well as possible. Ug...I guess I'm rambling...