Sony can make HD-DVD go away....if they pay! - Blu-ray Forum

tron3 · 11-16-2004, 05:04 PM

Face it, the last thing we need is another format war. It's bad for sales, bad for customers, and bad for longevity support of the product. No one wants to buy two players. Do you REALLY want to play LOTR on one player, and "The Matrix" on another? Not getting my money twice, that's for sure.

If Sony (and company) just buys the hd-dvd technology from Toshiba, all that can change. As part of the agreement, Sony should also offer them a special deal on licensing and making blu-ray discs and players.

Why go to court? Money talks. Give them a sweet deal they can't refuse and HD-DVD never has to see the light of day. I admit, it's a great technology, but it's a day late and a dollar short. Still love the name, though.

We need the capacity of blu-ray. If this one standard (and one standard only) can be achieved, blu-ray will soar and EVERYONE will make a profit from it. Consumer confidence will be high.

In these financially unsure times, the industry should not piss off their bread and butter - the consumer. Otherwise I will just buy the Sony DHG-HDD500 hard disc HD recorder and be done with it. I'm not getting burned again. I STILL wish I had adopted S-VHS sooner. Quality counts!

The Cyndicate · 11-17-2004, 05:24 AM

Sony doesnt have to pay anything. They know that BluRay will win the war, FAST, and that HD DVD only has the name to live on. After people get educated on thing, everyone will hate HD DVD.

tron3 · 11-17-2004, 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Cyndicate

After people get educated on thing, everyone will hate HD DVD.

VHS beat Beta because of lower cost, and wider distribution. In SPITE of ed-u-ma-ca-shun and the "Beta is better" mantra. Cost is key.

Toshiba may beat Sony to the punch with a inexpensive HD-DVD player for movies. If enough movies are available, it will flood the market FAST. Recorders always are adopted a bit more slowly because people are wary of format compatibility. To them, the one that matches their player is key.

It's not just market share, it's "mind share". After people gulp down a HD-DVD player, the demand for a compatible recorder is not far behind. No one would want a blu-ray recorder that can't play on their friends HD-DVD players. Get it?

So yeah, buying out HD-DVD is not a complete waste of money.

The Cyndicate · 11-18-2004, 02:22 AM

But Beta wasnt better then VHS, they were BOTH crap.
BluRay IS better, and the BluRay Burner is out Dec 9th.

Everyone knows about BluRay, even my MOTHER does, and I am 27 myself.

People are ready for BluRay, and they want it.

"HD-DVD" is already dead in the water.

Gorkab · 11-18-2004, 12:01 PM

Hope So Cyndicate, hope so... 8)

But not everyone knows Blu-Ray, only "connected french people" knows about it in France... This doesn't make a huge part of the population tough... :twisted:

HD-DVD is not dead in the water ! Is in orbital and will stay in until he receives a missil that will smash his little face ! :lol:

dustin_clark · 11-19-2004, 12:14 AM

Would it be that "Intel Inside" missile that projected from the Eiffel Tower during that episode of "The Simpsons"?

The_One · 11-30-2004, 06:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Cyndicate

Sony doesnt have to pay anything. They know that BluRay will win the war, FAST, and that HD DVD only has the name to live on. After people get educated on thing, everyone will hate HD DVD.

Beta-Max was far superior then VHS, yet at the end of the day, who won? Yup, VHS.

Quote:

But Beta wasnt better then VHS, they were BOTH crap.

Wow... what an ignorant 27 year old. I'm only 21, and I KNOW Beta-Max was superior compared to VHS. Sure, they are both crap compared to current day DVD, but back in their days, Beta-Max was better.

DanoruX · 12-02-2004, 03:28 PM

This may sound oversimplyfied, but Bluray will win simply because the PS3 will use it.

Btw... has anyone actually seen an HD-DVD player yet?

The Cyndicate · 12-03-2004, 02:03 AM

Boy you just think you have it all figured out dont you?
Beta was crap. Period.
You sound like your dad loved Beta, and as a kid, you saw how upset he was when Beta was crushed under VHSs weight. Now you carry that with you.

Your 21, the only Beta Max you see is on your daddys sadly defeated shelf, and the porn shop down town.

The REAL ignorance here is people comparing HD DVD vs Blu-Ray to Beta vs VHS.

Please tell me what gaming system used VHS or Beta tapes for Game media. Nobody did, because that would be STUPID.

Sony has a HUGE market for Blu-Ray called the PS3, and PSP. That market ALONE could support Blu-Ray. Game Devolopers WANT Blu-Ray to win. It has SO much more promise. This is NOTHING like VHS vs Beta, NOTHING. Ignorance would be to assume there is.

Next time you want to jump down my throat, put down the JCPenny catalog, and your moms lotion, and work on getting your FACTS together.

zombie · 12-06-2004, 04:14 AM

When consumers can walk into a Best Buy and see a 10 or more different models of Blu-ray players and only 1-2 HD-DVD players next to them it'll be clear which format they'll buy into. No one wants to back the next failure and AFAIK Toshiba is the only CE company with an HD-DVD prototype player. Check out this site and others for the numerous prototypes for Blu-ray players. Blu-ray is way ahead in the game with hardware support and that will go miles to help them win the war. HP & Dell, the two biggest names in computers are in Blu-ray's corner. Even Microsoft is working with Blu-ray now so there goes that potential advantage HD-DVD had.

Oh and BTW, Beta was better than VHS FWIW.

The Cyndicate · 12-08-2004, 01:52 AM

Its not about that.
Beta WASNT better it terms of costs to produce, and the amount it could hold.

My point was that VHS vs Beta isnt even relivent in this case. Blu-Ray vs HD-DVD holds Data, Games, Music, and Video. VHS vs Beta was ONLY about home video.

Kitsunebi · 12-09-2004, 07:43 PM

If you actually work with video, you'd know that various studios and TV networks still use Beta tapes. I've transfered digital video projects directly to Beta and directly to VHS and the difference is night and day. Beta was superior in quality, no question what so ever.

You can argue that this HD-DVD vs. Blu-Ray format war will be nothing like the Betamax vs. VHS, but that does not change the fact that Beta was clearly the superior format in terms of quality.

As for who will win this time, I wouldn't be surprised if drive makers eventually went the DVD+/-R route and made players that supported both formats and all "winning" the format war would mean is who gets more royalties from Hollywood. *shrug*

Oh, I'm no moderator, but can we have this discussion without the baiting/insulting? :P

The Cyndicate · 12-10-2004, 01:31 AM

Of course it has better quility.
But we ALL know business isnt about QUILITY.
Business is about Quantity.
Beta was better, but held less, and was more expensive t make, thats why it lost.

Blu-Ray is better, and cost the same to make.
Again, this is not about Beta Vs VHS. Neither of them held data, or video games.

thunderhawk · 12-10-2004, 09:50 PM

[quote="The Cyndicate"]
Everyone knows about BluRay, even my MOTHER does, and I am 27 myself.
quote]

I am 15 and I love Blu-ray

oxygenuk · 12-11-2004, 12:21 AM

Cant wait to be around for this br vs hddvd war, was too young when betamax and vhs were battling it out :lol:, but personally i think blu-ray will gradually get higher and higher as more and more ps3's get taken off them shelves im sure the ps3 will be half of what gets bluray off to a good start and what hddvd has is just the last 3 letters for people to look at and think they would probably be better off with but time will tell and everyone will see the superiority of bluray, BLU RAY WINS.

11-16-2004, 05:04 PM	#1
tron3 Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Aug 2004 Location:New Jersey Blu-ray reviews:3	Sony can make HD-DVD go away....if they pay! Face it, the last thing we need is another format war. It's bad for sales, bad for customers, and bad for longevity support of the product. No one wants to buy two players. Do you REALLY want to play LOTR on one player, and "The Matrix" on another? Not getting my money twice, that's for sure. If Sony (and company) just buys the hd-dvd technology from Toshiba, all that can change. As part of the agreement, Sony should also offer them a special deal on licensing and making blu-ray discs and players. Why go to court? Money talks. Give them a sweet deal they can't refuse and HD-DVD never has to see the light of day. I admit, it's a great technology, but it's a day late and a dollar short. Still love the name, though. We need the capacity of blu-ray. If this one standard (and one standard only) can be achieved, blu-ray will soar and EVERYONE will make a profit from it. Consumer confidence will be high. In these financially unsure times, the industry should not piss off their bread and butter - the consumer. Otherwise I will just buy the Sony DHG-HDD500 hard disc HD recorder and be done with it. I'm not getting burned again. I STILL wish I had adopted S-VHS sooner. Quality counts!

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11-17-2004, 05:24 AM	#2
The Cyndicate Banned Member since:Oct 2004	Sony doesnt have to pay anything. They know that BluRay will win the war, FAST, and that HD DVD only has the name to live on. After people get educated on thing, everyone will hate HD DVD.

11-18-2004, 02:22 AM	#4
The Cyndicate Banned Member since:Oct 2004	But Beta wasnt better then VHS, they were BOTH crap. BluRay IS better, and the BluRay Burner is out Dec 9th. Everyone knows about BluRay, even my MOTHER does, and I am 27 myself. People are ready for BluRay, and they want it. "HD-DVD" is already dead in the water.

11-18-2004, 12:01 PM	#5
Gorkab Senior Member Top contributor Member since:Nov 2004 Location:France 4K collection:147 Blu-ray collection:548 DVD collection:28 Blu-ray reviews:1	Hope So Cyndicate, hope so... 8) But not everyone knows Blu-Ray, only "connected french people" knows about it in France... This doesn't make a huge part of the population tough... :twisted: HD-DVD is not dead in the water ! Is in orbital and will stay in until he receives a missil that will smash his little face ! :lol:

11-19-2004, 12:14 AM	#6
dustin_clark Junior Member Member since:Nov 2004 Location:Canada	Would it be that "Intel Inside" missile that projected from the Eiffel Tower during that episode of "The Simpsons"?

12-02-2004, 03:28 PM	#8
DanoruX Junior Member Member since:Jun 2004	This may sound oversimplyfied, but Bluray will win simply because the PS3 will use it. Btw... has anyone actually seen an HD-DVD player yet?

12-03-2004, 02:03 AM	#9
The Cyndicate Banned Member since:Oct 2004	Boy you just think you have it all figured out dont you? Beta was crap. Period. You sound like your dad loved Beta, and as a kid, you saw how upset he was when Beta was crushed under VHSs weight. Now you carry that with you. Your 21, the only Beta Max you see is on your daddys sadly defeated shelf, and the porn shop down town. The REAL ignorance here is people comparing HD DVD vs Blu-Ray to Beta vs VHS. Please tell me what gaming system used VHS or Beta tapes for Game media. Nobody did, because that would be STUPID. Sony has a HUGE market for Blu-Ray called the PS3, and PSP. That market ALONE could support Blu-Ray. Game Devolopers WANT Blu-Ray to win. It has SO much more promise. This is NOTHING like VHS vs Beta, NOTHING. Ignorance would be to assume there is. Next time you want to jump down my throat, put down the JCPenny catalog, and your moms lotion, and work on getting your FACTS together.

12-06-2004, 04:14 AM	#10
zombie Blu-ray Guru Top contributor Member since:May 2004 Trading Score:865	When consumers can walk into a Best Buy and see a 10 or more different models of Blu-ray players and only 1-2 HD-DVD players next to them it'll be clear which format they'll buy into. No one wants to back the next failure and AFAIK Toshiba is the only CE company with an HD-DVD prototype player. Check out this site and others for the numerous prototypes for Blu-ray players. Blu-ray is way ahead in the game with hardware support and that will go miles to help them win the war. HP & Dell, the two biggest names in computers are in Blu-ray's corner. Even Microsoft is working with Blu-ray now so there goes that potential advantage HD-DVD had. Oh and BTW, Beta was better than VHS FWIW.

12-08-2004, 01:52 AM	#11
The Cyndicate Banned Member since:Oct 2004	Its not about that. Beta WASNT better it terms of costs to produce, and the amount it could hold. My point was that VHS vs Beta isnt even relivent in this case. Blu-Ray vs HD-DVD holds Data, Games, Music, and Video. VHS vs Beta was ONLY about home video.

12-09-2004, 07:43 PM	#12
Kitsunebi Junior Member Member since:May 2004	If you actually work with video, you'd know that various studios and TV networks still use Beta tapes. I've transfered digital video projects directly to Beta and directly to VHS and the difference is night and day. Beta was superior in quality, no question what so ever. You can argue that this HD-DVD vs. Blu-Ray format war will be nothing like the Betamax vs. VHS, but that does not change the fact that Beta was clearly the superior format in terms of quality. As for who will win this time, I wouldn't be surprised if drive makers eventually went the DVD+/-R route and made players that supported both formats and all "winning" the format war would mean is who gets more royalties from Hollywood. shrug Oh, I'm no moderator, but can we have this discussion without the baiting/insulting? :P

12-10-2004, 01:31 AM	#13
The Cyndicate Banned Member since:Oct 2004	Of course it has better quility. But we ALL know business isnt about QUILITY. Business is about Quantity. Beta was better, but held less, and was more expensive t make, thats why it lost. Blu-Ray is better, and cost the same to make. Again, this is not about Beta Vs VHS. Neither of them held data, or video games.

12-10-2004, 09:50 PM	#14
thunderhawk Moderator Member since:Jul 2004 Location:Belgium	[quote="The Cyndicate"] Everyone knows about BluRay, even my MOTHER does, and I am 27 myself. quote] I am 15 and I love Blu-ray

12-11-2004, 12:21 AM	#15
oxygenuk Junior Member Member since:Aug 2004	Cant wait to be around for this br vs hddvd war, was too young when betamax and vhs were battling it out :lol:, but personally i think blu-ray will gradually get higher and higher as more and more ps3's get taken off them shelves im sure the ps3 will be half of what gets bluray off to a good start and what hddvd has is just the last 3 letters for people to look at and think they would probably be better off with but time will tell and everyone will see the superiority of bluray, BLU RAY WINS.

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