Unimpressed with 6020 & 58" Viera at BestBuy - Blu-ray Forum

jc480 · 02-08-2009, 07:19 PM

Just got back from BestBuy and they had a 6020 setup with a receiver bd player speakers etc...I couldn't see behind it but I'm going to guess it was an HDMI input to the TV.

I reset the TV mode to "MOVIE" and watched the demo disc. They had a section where the skier was doing arial jumps/flips etc...lot of motion. I was struck at how I kept seeing big blocky pixels. Even my wife (who doesn't know anything about TVs except that she likes how LCDs are "bright") noticed the blocky pixels.

The 58" Viera...the picture was inferior to the 65" Sharp LCD next to it. I could not see if it had HDMI or component cabling for the video feed.

What am I missing here? I'm pretty sure I set the 6020 to it's default picture mode and, with all the goodies, it most certainly doesn't look like a $4k+ picture.

graf1k · 02-08-2009, 07:43 PM

Actually the default picture mode is 'Standard' but my guess is whatever the demo disc was, it either wasn't very good quality or it wasn't hooked up right. I've noticed the blocky pixels when watching SD content on the 5020. HD content on the other hand looks amazing. I watched Band of Brothers yesterday and the picture was incredible.

jc480 · 02-08-2009, 07:44 PM

Anyway, going back to the 6020....like I said, it appears to have a full HDMI setup with big blocky pixels on the TV on motion.

graf1k · 02-08-2009, 07:47 PM

My guess is still it wasn't set up correctly but if the picture didn't look good to you, why try to convince yourself otherwise? Go with what looks best to you. If a 52" LCD looks as good or better to you, so be it. You'll be happy and probably save yourself some decent coin, at least versus a 6020.

jc480 · 02-08-2009, 07:48 PM

I'm just trying to understand why a $4K TV has big blocky pixels?

Sonny · 02-08-2009, 07:52 PM

I don't think I've ever seen a TV that looked "good" in the store. Some people...

My_Two_Cents · 02-08-2009, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by jc480

I'm just trying to understand why a $4K TV has big blocky pixels?

What was the source feeding the set that resulted in "big blocky pixels"? There is no way it was a BD. Was it the standard BB HD feed? Blocky pixels almost always equates to a bad and/or overly-compressed source. Even standard DVD should not produce the effect you are describing. Plasmas, by design, handle motion extremely well.

jc480 · 02-08-2009, 08:00 PM

Pioneer BD player and a receiver (didn't notice brand or check to see the setup)...it was using the B/B store demo disc.

BACsader · 02-08-2009, 08:04 PM

Honestly, those TVs never look good in store becaue they have the brightness settings, the noise reduction settings, and some other settings jacked all the way up. I have never seen one look good in store, but my Panny Plasma, while not the Pioneer looks great. I bet if you got to take it home, it would be a completely different story. Also, don't forget, that beyond them jacking up the settings, when the TV is first started they select store display mode which already increases the settings before they mess with it.

crackinhedz · 02-08-2009, 08:08 PM

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I could not see if it had HDMI or component cabling for the video feed.

...which makes the observation pointless. What if they had it connected with composite??

Santeria · 02-08-2009, 08:49 PM

i had this question also... saw my 46pz80u and saw blocky pixels, ordered it anyway and i have zero regrets GREAT PQ.

Blu As Hell · 02-08-2009, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by crackinhedz

...which makes the observation pointless. What if they had it connected with composite??

Exactly, I like to look and see how TV's are hooked up at Best Buy and I know I haven't seen a HDMI cable yet, so I'm always looking behind the TV's.

lojack1976 · 02-08-2009, 09:05 PM

There's definitely something with the source or the settings...maybe both. If the feed was a 1080i broadcast then that's probably the culprit. A lot of tv's have problems with 1080i including my own. A progressive signal such as 720p or 1080p should not give you that result.

jc480 · 02-08-2009, 09:53 PM

The positive thing about this visit to BestBuy is that the wife really preferred the size of the 58 & 60 inch to the 50 inch models, even at a $1-$2 k price premium

Good to hear that the blocky pixelation was an aberation. Still find it hard to believe even if it was 720 or 1080i though :/

saprano · 02-08-2009, 10:10 PM

If you were unimpressed at a pioneer plasma then there is no way in hell it was set up right. im sure it wasn't a proper HD source. get them to play a blu-ray movie on it. my BB has the same tv on display playing demo's of POTC2, king kong and some other films. it didn't give off the wow factor at all, it was grainy, colors were off, and a little blocky also. dont ever juge a pioneer at BB, worst place ever......but, when i saw the pioneer KURO elite at BB playing the dark night prologue i was blown away. thats when i became a fan of pioneer, the PQ was amazing.

Now is the right time to buy a pioneer plasma. it sucks that their not making anymore tv's.

brett_day · 02-08-2009, 10:18 PM

you can never go by the way tv's look in showrooms! The best thing to do would be to buy the tv you are interested in, take it home and get it into your environment, with your equipment using your cables etc. Calibrate it and see if it is what you like for your room, if not take the tv back and pick out another one until you find the perfect tv for your home!

lojack1976 · 02-08-2009, 11:14 PM

Pioneer has not stopped making tv's. They are just outsourcing the panels to Panasonic. Pioneer will still produce tv's using their technology plus Panasonic's next gen panels are better than any panels currently on the market. Pioneer has also teamed up with Panasonic to combine technology for a superior product than what's currently available, so there should be no worries for Pioneer fans. Better products are on the way.

jc480 · 02-08-2009, 11:16 PM

http://news.cnet.com/8301-1001_3-10158724-92.html

lojack1976 · 02-08-2009, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by jc480

http://news.cnet.com/8301-1001_3-10158724-92.html

Yeah, I didn't realize that they made that announcement. I just read that in another thread a few minutes ago....a sad sad day.

There is an update on that page where Pioneer states that they haven't made that decision yet as they are still evaluating the business, so I guess that there's a small glimmer of hope.

dobyblue · 02-09-2009, 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by jc480

http://news.cnet.com/8301-1001_3-10158724-92.html

Simply quoting the same report everyone else has been talking about for over 24 hours.

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Originally Posted by jc480

Good to hear that the blocky pixelation was an aberation. Still find it hard to believe even if it was 720 or 1080i though :/

It could very well have been 480i upscaled.

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Originally Posted by jc480

Just got back from BestBuy

Therein lies the problem. Go to Pioneer's website and find your local A/V specialty dealer (ie - not big box).
They'll give you a proper viewing environment and let you bring in your own Blu-ray reference material or choose from theirs.

02-08-2009, 07:19 PM	#1
jc480 Power Member Member since:Nov 2008 Location:Detroit, MI Home Theater Gallery:28 4K collection:22 Blu-ray collection:747 DVD collection:10 Digital collection:882 Prime collection:2 Blu-ray reviews:15	Unimpressed with 6020 & 58" Viera at BestBuy Just got back from BestBuy and they had a 6020 setup with a receiver bd player speakers etc...I couldn't see behind it but I'm going to guess it was an HDMI input to the TV. I reset the TV mode to "MOVIE" and watched the demo disc. They had a section where the skier was doing arial jumps/flips etc...lot of motion. I was struck at how I kept seeing big blocky pixels. Even my wife (who doesn't know anything about TVs except that she likes how LCDs are "bright") noticed the blocky pixels. The 58" Viera...the picture was inferior to the 65" Sharp LCD next to it. I could not see if it had HDMI or component cabling for the video feed. What am I missing here? I'm pretty sure I set the 6020 to it's default picture mode and, with all the goodies, it most certainly doesn't look like a $4k+ picture.

02-08-2009, 07:44 PM	#3
jc480 Power Member Member since:Nov 2008 Location:Detroit, MI Home Theater Gallery:28 4K collection:22 Blu-ray collection:747 DVD collection:10 Digital collection:882 Prime collection:2 Blu-ray reviews:15	Anyway, going back to the 6020....like I said, it appears to have a full HDMI setup with big blocky pixels on the TV on motion. Last edited by JasonR; 02-08-2009 at 07:47 PM.

02-08-2009, 10:10 PM	#15
saprano Blu-ray Champion Top contributor Member since:Oct 2007 Location:Bronx, New York Blu-ray collection:495 Blu-ray reviews:2 Trading Score:9	If you were unimpressed at a pioneer plasma then there is no way in hell it was set up right. im sure it wasn't a proper HD source. get them to play a blu-ray movie on it. my BB has the same tv on display playing demo's of POTC2, king kong and some other films. it didn't give off the wow factor at all, it was grainy, colors were off, and a little blocky also. dont ever juge a pioneer at BB, worst place ever......but, when i saw the pioneer KURO elite at BB playing the dark night prologue i was blown away. thats when i became a fan of pioneer, the PQ was amazing. Now is the right time to buy a pioneer plasma. it sucks that their not making anymore tv's. Last edited by saprano; 02-08-2009 at 10:13 PM.

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02-08-2009, 07:43 PM	#2
graf1k Blu-ray Guru Member since:Aug 2008 Location:🆇🆇🆇🆇 Trading Score:198	Actually the default picture mode is 'Standard' but my guess is whatever the demo disc was, it either wasn't very good quality or it wasn't hooked up right. I've noticed the blocky pixels when watching SD content on the 5020. HD content on the other hand looks amazing. I watched Band of Brothers yesterday and the picture was incredible.

02-08-2009, 07:47 PM	#4
graf1k Blu-ray Guru Member since:Aug 2008 Location:🆇🆇🆇🆇 Trading Score:198	My guess is still it wasn't set up correctly but if the picture didn't look good to you, why try to convince yourself otherwise? Go with what looks best to you. If a 52" LCD looks as good or better to you, so be it. You'll be happy and probably save yourself some decent coin, at least versus a 6020.

02-08-2009, 07:48 PM	#5
jc480 Power Member Member since:Nov 2008 Location:Detroit, MI Home Theater Gallery:28 4K collection:22 Blu-ray collection:747 DVD collection:10 Digital collection:882 Prime collection:2 Blu-ray reviews:15	I'm just trying to understand why a $4K TV has big blocky pixels?

02-08-2009, 07:52 PM	#6
Sonny Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Aug 2007 Home Theater Gallery:8 Blu-ray reviews:6 Trading Score:1	I don't think I've ever seen a TV that looked "good" in the store. Some people...

02-08-2009, 08:00 PM	#8
jc480 Power Member Member since:Nov 2008 Location:Detroit, MI Home Theater Gallery:28 4K collection:22 Blu-ray collection:747 DVD collection:10 Digital collection:882 Prime collection:2 Blu-ray reviews:15	Pioneer BD player and a receiver (didn't notice brand or check to see the setup)...it was using the B/B store demo disc.

02-08-2009, 08:04 PM	#9
BACsader Expert Member Member since:Jan 2008 Location:Cooper City FL Home Theater Gallery:29 Blu-ray collection:72 Blu-ray reviews:9 Trading Score:1	Honestly, those TVs never look good in store becaue they have the brightness settings, the noise reduction settings, and some other settings jacked all the way up. I have never seen one look good in store, but my Panny Plasma, while not the Pioneer looks great. I bet if you got to take it home, it would be a completely different story. Also, don't forget, that beyond them jacking up the settings, when the TV is first started they select store display mode which already increases the settings before they mess with it.

02-08-2009, 08:49 PM	#11
Santeria Special Member Member since:Oct 2007 Location:San Diego Home Theater Gallery:14 Blu-ray collection:20 Trading Score:4	i had this question also... saw my 46pz80u and saw blocky pixels, ordered it anyway and i have zero regrets GREAT PQ.

02-08-2009, 09:05 PM	#13
lojack1976 Blu-ray Guru Top ranked HT gallery Member since:Aug 2008 Location:7 Cities, VA Home Theater Gallery:62 Blu-ray collection:203	There's definitely something with the source or the settings...maybe both. If the feed was a 1080i broadcast then that's probably the culprit. A lot of tv's have problems with 1080i including my own. A progressive signal such as 720p or 1080p should not give you that result.

02-08-2009, 09:53 PM	#14
jc480 Power Member Member since:Nov 2008 Location:Detroit, MI Home Theater Gallery:28 4K collection:22 Blu-ray collection:747 DVD collection:10 Digital collection:882 Prime collection:2 Blu-ray reviews:15	The positive thing about this visit to BestBuy is that the wife really preferred the size of the 58 & 60 inch to the 50 inch models, even at a $1-$2 k price premium Good to hear that the blocky pixelation was an aberation. Still find it hard to believe even if it was 720 or 1080i though :/

02-08-2009, 10:18 PM	#16
brett_day Blu-ray Guru Member since:Mar 2008 Location:Moore, Oklahoma Home Theater Gallery:18 Blu-ray collection:45 Blu-ray reviews:1 Trading Score:1	you can never go by the way tv's look in showrooms! The best thing to do would be to buy the tv you are interested in, take it home and get it into your environment, with your equipment using your cables etc. Calibrate it and see if it is what you like for your room, if not take the tv back and pick out another one until you find the perfect tv for your home!

02-08-2009, 11:14 PM	#17
lojack1976 Blu-ray Guru Top ranked HT gallery Member since:Aug 2008 Location:7 Cities, VA Home Theater Gallery:62 Blu-ray collection:203	Pioneer has not stopped making tv's. They are just outsourcing the panels to Panasonic. Pioneer will still produce tv's using their technology plus Panasonic's next gen panels are better than any panels currently on the market. Pioneer has also teamed up with Panasonic to combine technology for a superior product than what's currently available, so there should be no worries for Pioneer fans. Better products are on the way.

02-08-2009, 11:16 PM	#18
jc480 Power Member Member since:Nov 2008 Location:Detroit, MI Home Theater Gallery:28 4K collection:22 Blu-ray collection:747 DVD collection:10 Digital collection:882 Prime collection:2 Blu-ray reviews:15	http://news.cnet.com/8301-1001_3-10158724-92.html

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