Bolt and The Bugs Life audio display issue - Blu-ray Forum

DAT27 · 08-18-2009, 12:41 AM

When i played Bolt and The Bug's Life movie onto Panasonic DMP-BD35 blu-ray movie player , Onkyo 606 receiver display DVD ES Matrix instead of DTS HD Master.

I checked the setup of both movies the DTS HD Master 5.1 audio option is selected.

I don't have any display issues with fox or universal blu-ray movies DTS HD Master audio.When i play fox or universal movies onkyo 606 displays DTS HD Master.

Any one had this issue? any suggestions.

Thanks.

Rob J in WNY · 08-18-2009, 02:27 AM

Typically, the first order of business is to check to see if you have the latest firmware installed in your Panasonic player, which often resolves disc-specific playback issues. Outside of that, let's hope for additional responses.

DAT27 · 08-21-2009, 02:39 AM

Thanks Rob.. I update the BD-35 latest firmware(V 2.0) and i played BOLT movie, Receiver still Displays ES MATRIX .
Also my BD Player Audio setto BITSTREAM for both DTS-HD and Dolby True HD.

I dont know if there is any new firmware for ONKYO 606 or not. If any new firware available for Onkyo 606 i will try to update the latest firmware.

Thanks

ClaytonMG · 08-21-2009, 03:06 AM

Do you happen to have Wall E? These discs are actually supposed to be in 6.1 sound, but then fold down to 5.1 for 5.1 systems. It sounds like the discs that have the fold down feature are acting up on your system, but I am just guessing...

DAT27 · 08-22-2009, 12:12 AM

I just tried WALL-E blu-ray, the Onkyo receiver displays ES MATRIX . Looks like your guess is right.

Do i actually get DTS HD-MA?

Quote:

Originally Posted by ClaytonMG

Do you happen to have Wall E? These discs are actually supposed to be in 6.1 sound, but then fold down to 5.1 for 5.1 systems. It sounds like the discs that have the fold down feature are acting up on your system, but I am just guessing...

PeterTHX · 08-22-2009, 12:24 AM

You need to find out if you have a "DTS Essentials" decoder.

On my 905, if I bitstream these titles from my Panasonic BD30, I only get DTS-HD MA 5.1, if I let my PS3 decode it, I get DTS-HD MA 6.1 (which is ES matrixed). Same thing also happens with T2: Skynet.

DAT27 · 08-22-2009, 01:50 AM

How do i find if i have DTS essentials decoder?
BD-35 audio set to Bitstream. It means the issue is with onkyo 606 decode?

Quote:

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

You need to find out if you have a "DTS Essentials" decoder.

BozQ · 08-22-2009, 04:07 AM

I can only think of one possibility here since you haven't mentioned it.
Are you using a HDMI 1.3 cable?
You need a 1.3 cable before you can bitstream a raw HD audio to your receiver.

Edit: Oh darn. You have no issues with other titles.
I guess you could try contacting Panasonic and see if this is a common issue.

Joe Fisher · 08-22-2009, 04:34 AM

After reading this thread I decided to see if I could help

Pulled my now retired Panny BD-35 out of the closet. Hooked it back into the system via HDMI.

Here where my settings.

BD-35 bitstream output. Firmware Version 1.9
Onkyo 606 is set to PL II movie.
Speaker arrangement is 5.1.

Bugs Life displayed as DTS-HD MSTR 5.1
Bolt displayed as DTS-HD MSTR 5.1
Wall-E displayed as DTS-HD MSTR 5.1

I've owned my Onkyo 606 since June 2007 with no problems decoding of the Hi-Def audio formats via bitstream.

The only thing I can think of is checking the Onkyo Menu under option #5: Listening Mode Preset and see what your settings are for that HDMI slot for DTS-HD MA. I have all slots set to Master Audio.

P.S.----Make sure Secondary audio on the BD-35 is set to off. That might be the cause of the problem.

DAT27 · 08-22-2009, 12:59 PM

Hi Joe,

Here are my current settings for BD-35 and Onkyo 606.

BD-35
-------------
Audio set to Bitstream
Secondary audio set to OFF
Firmware 2.0

Onkyo 606
---------
7.1 ch speaker setup with Audyssey calibration setup.
Listening Mode Preset for DVD
DTS-HD - Master Audio
Dolby True-HD - True HD
Multich PCM - Mutlich
DTS - DTS
Dolby Digital - Dolby Digital.
Remaining - Last Valid

The above setup is true for ALL HDMI input(VCR,Game and Cable TV)

HDMI Cables are 1.3

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe Fisher

After reading this thread I decided to see if I could help

Pulled my now retired Panny BD-35 out of the closet. Hooked it back into the system via HDMI.

Here where my settings.

BD-35 bitstream output. Firmware Version 1.9
Onkyo 606 is set to PL II movie.
Speaker arrangement is 5.1.

Bugs Life displayed as DTS-HD MSTR 5.1
Bolt displayed as DTS-HD MSTR 5.1
Wall-E displayed as DTS-HD MSTR 5.1

I've owned my Onkyo 606 since June 2007 with no problems decoding of the Hi-Def audio formats via bitstream.

The only thing I can think of is checking the Onkyo Menu under option #5: Listening Mode Preset and see what your settings are for that HDMI slot for DTS-HD MA. I have all slots set to Master Audio.

P.S.----Make sure Secondary audio on the BD-35 is set to off. That might be the cause of the problem.

aramis109 · 08-22-2009, 04:28 PM

USually it's either that the player or receiver can't decode it (not the case here) or that you've got the audio running through the TV which causes it to downmix to a stereo output or not use DTS at all. As mentioned, make sure secondary audio is off, and make sure the 606 has the audio passthrough setting via HDMI set to OFF.

DAT27 · 08-22-2009, 06:49 PM

I don't have any issues with Fox or Universal movies DTS-HD MA audio. So far i found audio display issues in these 3 Disney movies..

Looks like others also have same issue with these 3 movies in 0nkyo 606 and BD-35 or BD-30 , i noticed cpl of threads related to this issue in avsforum and avforum.

Quote:

Originally Posted by aramis109

USually it's either that the player or receiver can't decode it (not the case here) or that you've got the audio running through the TV which causes it to downmix to a stereo output or not use DTS at all. As mentioned, make sure secondary audio is off, and make sure the 606 has the audio passthrough setting via HDMI set to OFF.

PeterTHX · 08-22-2009, 08:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DAT27

I don't have any issues with Fox or Universal movies DTS-HD MA audio. So far i found audio display issues in these 3 Disney movies.

With the exception of X-Men: The Last Stand, there's no 6.1 ES releases from Fox or Universal (and that particular title is ES discrete, not matrixed), that's the reason there's no problems with those titles.

6.1 DTS-ES Master Audio releases that I have:
Bolt
Wall*E
A Bug's Life
Monsters Inc.
Terminator 2: Judgment Day - Skynet Edition

As I said: 5.1 only bitstreamed to my 905, 6.1 from my PS3.

DAT27 · 08-23-2009, 12:49 AM

Thanks Pete. I Tried playing all these titles in PS3, and ps3 correctly displays DTS-HT MA 6.1 ch.

ClaytonMG · 08-23-2009, 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

With the exception of X-Men: The Last Stand, there's no 6.1 ES releases from Fox or Universal (and that particular title is ES discrete, not matrixed), that's the reason there's no problems with those titles.

6.1 DTS-ES Master Audio releases that I have:
Bolt
Wall*E
A Bug's Life
Monsters Inc.
Terminator 2: Judgment Day - Skynet Edition

As I said: 5.1 only bitstreamed to my 905, 6.1 from my PS3.

I think I may have asked this before... But are you sure the Disney titles are discrete? I know T2 is, but I am wondering if the others aren't supposed to be matrixed and that's what's causing the issue.

PeterTHX · 08-23-2009, 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ClaytonMG

I think I may have asked this before... But are you sure the Disney titles are discrete? I know T2 is, but I am wondering if the others aren't supposed to be matrixed and that's what's causing the issue.

Unfortunately it's difficult to tell (that DTS Essentials nonsense), I'm thinking it's matrix center surround, because X-MEN: The Last Stand is 6.1 bitstreamed and these aren't.

On my setup, T2 is 5.1 bitstreamed, so it's probably not discrete.

On the flipside Dolby TrueHD 5.1 EX (6.1 matrix) bitstreams just fine, but the PS3 doesn't acknowledge the flag.

On another note for those with PC playback: PowerDVD 9 doesn't acknowledge the flag for either EX or ES matrix, only discrete.

BozQ · 08-23-2009, 05:38 PM

PS3 was never able to detect and decode Dolby Digital EX. But bitstream should not be a problem.

Btw Peter, is it possible to add an EX flag on a Dolby TrueHD track?

Octavio · 08-23-2009, 07:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BozQ

PS3 was never able to detect and decode Dolby Digital EX. But bitstream should not be a problem.

Btw Peter, is it possible to add an EX flag on a Dolby TrueHD track?

'The Clone Wars' includes a Dolby TrueHD EX track. So it says in the back-cover and that's how my Onkyo reads it: DD TrueHD EX

So, the answer is: Yes, It's possible.

PeterTHX · 08-23-2009, 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BozQ

PS3 was never able to detect and decode Dolby Digital EX. But bitstream should not be a problem.

Btw Peter, is it possible to add an EX flag on a Dolby TrueHD track?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Octavio

'The Clone Wars' includes a Dolby TrueHD EX track. So it says in the back-cover and that's how my Onkyo reads it: DD TrueHD EX.

Yep, along with The Perfect Storm, and the last 2 Austin Powers films.

08-18-2009, 12:41 AM	#1
DAT27 Senior Member Member since:Jan 2008 4K collection:197 Blu-ray collection:781 Blu-ray reviews:1 Trading Score:11	Bolt and The Bugs Life audio display issue When i played Bolt and The Bug's Life movie onto Panasonic DMP-BD35 blu-ray movie player , Onkyo 606 receiver display DVD ES Matrix instead of DTS HD Master. I checked the setup of both movies the DTS HD Master 5.1 audio option is selected. I don't have any display issues with fox or universal blu-ray movies DTS HD Master audio.When i play fox or universal movies onkyo 606 displays DTS HD Master. Any one had this issue? any suggestions. Thanks.

08-22-2009, 04:34 AM	#9
Joe Fisher Active Member Top contributor Member since:Jan 2008 Location:Iowa Blu-ray collection:27	After reading this thread I decided to see if I could help Pulled my now retired Panny BD-35 out of the closet. Hooked it back into the system via HDMI. Here where my settings. BD-35 bitstream output. Firmware Version 1.9 Onkyo 606 is set to PL II movie. Speaker arrangement is 5.1. Bugs Life displayed as DTS-HD MSTR 5.1 Bolt displayed as DTS-HD MSTR 5.1 Wall-E displayed as DTS-HD MSTR 5.1 I've owned my Onkyo 606 since June 2007 with no problems decoding of the Hi-Def audio formats via bitstream. The only thing I can think of is checking the Onkyo Menu under option #5: Listening Mode Preset and see what your settings are for that HDMI slot for DTS-HD MA. I have all slots set to Master Audio. P.S.----Make sure Secondary audio on the BD-35 is set to off. That might be the cause of the problem. Last edited by Joe Fisher; 08-22-2009 at 04:41 AM.

Similar Threads
thread	Forum	Thread Starter	Replies	Last Post
Bugs life problems. resolved.	Blu-ray Movies - North America	gedorm	37	03-16-2010 12:27 AM
Any deals on Bugs Life? (A)	Best Pricing	NoNeedF0RaName	2	05-18-2009 06:04 PM
No bugs life for region B?	Blu-ray Movies - International	richieb1971	9	05-12-2009 09:04 AM
Denon DVD-3800BDCI OSD audio display issue	Blu-ray Players and Recorders	rlmbluray	3	05-03-2008 04:59 PM

08-18-2009, 02:27 AM	#2
Rob J in WNY Blu-ray Guru Member since:Dec 2008 Location:'Western' N.Y. State (MEMBER OF THE "ECPP")™ Home Theater Gallery:24 4K collection:30 Blu-ray collection:486 iTunes collection:1 Blu-ray reviews: 15	Typically, the first order of business is to check to see if you have the latest firmware installed in your Panasonic player, which often resolves disc-specific playback issues. Outside of that, let's hope for additional responses.

08-21-2009, 02:39 AM	#3
DAT27 Senior Member Member since:Jan 2008 4K collection:197 Blu-ray collection:781 Blu-ray reviews:1 Trading Score:11	Thanks Rob.. I update the BD-35 latest firmware(V 2.0) and i played BOLT movie, Receiver still Displays ES MATRIX . Also my BD Player Audio setto BITSTREAM for both DTS-HD and Dolby True HD. I dont know if there is any new firmware for ONKYO 606 or not. If any new firware available for Onkyo 606 i will try to update the latest firmware. Thanks

08-21-2009, 03:06 AM	#4
ClaytonMG Blu-ray Samurai Member since:May 2006 Location:New Brighton, MN Home Theater Gallery:16 4K collection:833 Blu-ray collection:2370 Blu-ray reviews:2 Trading Score:1	Do you happen to have Wall E? These discs are actually supposed to be in 6.1 sound, but then fold down to 5.1 for 5.1 systems. It sounds like the discs that have the fold down feature are acting up on your system, but I am just guessing...

08-22-2009, 12:24 AM	#6
PeterTHX Banned Top contributor Member since:Sep 2006 Blu-ray collection:563 Trading Score:14	You need to find out if you have a "DTS Essentials" decoder. On my 905, if I bitstream these titles from my Panasonic BD30, I only get DTS-HD MA 5.1, if I let my PS3 decode it, I get DTS-HD MA 6.1 (which is ES matrixed). Same thing also happens with T2: Skynet.

08-22-2009, 04:07 AM	#8
BozQ Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Jun 2007 Location:Singapore 4K collection:- Blu-ray collection:-	I can only think of one possibility here since you haven't mentioned it. Are you using a HDMI 1.3 cable? You need a 1.3 cable before you can bitstream a raw HD audio to your receiver. Edit: Oh darn. You have no issues with other titles. I guess you could try contacting Panasonic and see if this is a common issue.

08-22-2009, 04:28 PM	#11
aramis109 Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Mar 2008 Location:Milwaukee, WI Home Theater Gallery:10 4K collection:4 Blu-ray collection:360 Trading Score:18	USually it's either that the player or receiver can't decode it (not the case here) or that you've got the audio running through the TV which causes it to downmix to a stereo output or not use DTS at all. As mentioned, make sure secondary audio is off, and make sure the 606 has the audio passthrough setting via HDMI set to OFF.

08-23-2009, 12:49 AM	#14
DAT27 Senior Member Member since:Jan 2008 4K collection:197 Blu-ray collection:781 Blu-ray reviews:1 Trading Score:11	Thanks Pete. I Tried playing all these titles in PS3, and ps3 correctly displays DTS-HT MA 6.1 ch.

08-23-2009, 05:38 PM	#17
BozQ Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Jun 2007 Location:Singapore 4K collection:- Blu-ray collection:-	PS3 was never able to detect and decode Dolby Digital EX. But bitstream should not be a problem. Btw Peter, is it possible to add an EX flag on a Dolby TrueHD track?

Best Blu-ray Movie Deals