Transformers Blu PQ vs Dish HD

[Archangel630]

I've noticed after watching Transformers on Blu in comparison to watching it on HD satellite broadcast that more grain shows up in certain scenes on Blu that do not show up on Dish.

I watch my blus on PS3. Can anyone offer an explanation as to why the Blu transfer doesn't match the PQ of the Dish broadcast? Is it because I'm using the PS3 as opposed to a possibly better Blu player?

I appreciate any comments on this.

[Batman1980]

It's probably your TV or the grain is intentional, I'm not very eloquent so I can't really help you. Other people here would be able to help you better if you tell us what kind of TV you have and what kind of set-up for that TV you have as well.

[HeavyHitter]

Originally Posted by Archangel630

I've noticed after watching Transformers on Blu in comparison to watching it on HD satellite broadcast that more grain shows up in certain scenes on Blu that do not show up on Dish.

I watch my blus on PS3. Can anyone offer an explanation as to why the Blu transfer doesn't match the PQ of the Dish broadcast? Is it because I'm using the PS3 as opposed to a possibly better Blu player?

I appreciate any comments on this.

The Blu version has more resolution and detail, hence more film grain will be present.

Film grain is not bad. It's actually a good thing for several reasons.

Compression artifacts are a bad thing and I bet the broadcast has some of them.

[Archangel630]

Originally Posted by HeavyHitter

The Blu version has more resolution and detail, hence more film grain will be present.

Film grain is not bad. It's actually a good thing for several reasons.

Compression artifacts are a bad thing and I bet the broadcast has some of them.

I'm thinking your synopsis is most likely correct. I kind of felt like detail may have been more apparent in the blu, but with that it produces more grain. To answer the first post reply, I am only using a Samsung 32" wide, with 1080i and HDMI cable. I don't think it's the tv simply because the broadcast on Dish was absent the grain. I would be more likely to agree with what HeavyHitter said. I'm not exactly afraid of grain ( I bought Gangs of New York and survived) but I thought it was a slight let-down that the HD broadcast from satellite managed to have a good PQ also, just minus the grain.

[KingBing]

Originally Posted by Archangel630

I'm thinking your synopsis is most likely correct. I kind of felt like detail may have been more apparent in the blu, but with that it produces more grain. To answer the first post reply, I am only using a Samsung 32" wide, with 1080i and HDMI cable. I don't think it's the tv simply because the broadcast on Dish was absent the grain. I would be more likely to agree with what HeavyHitter said. I'm not exactly afraid of grain ( I bought Gangs of New York and survived) but I thought it was a slight let-down that the HD broadcast from satellite managed to have a good PQ also, just minus the grain.

No matter how you slice it, the satellite is NO WHERE near close to the blu version, granted it looks pretty decent but the blu is just a couple of levels above it and the amount of grain you see is a result of that.

[mugupo]

i saw 300 on dish hd hbo, nearly no grain at all, compare to ps3 which has tons of grain, sound is no match from a blu-ray, but video is somewhat, but geeze is commercial free from those channel you better set dvr lol.

[Phoenix Theory]

yea some blu rays has a lot of grain like dark scenes in 28 days later but its meant to be there lol

[perfectdark]

Originally Posted by mugupo

i saw 300 on dish hd hbo, nearly no grain at all, compare to ps3 which has tons of grain, sound is no match from a blu-ray, but video is somewhat, but geeze is commercial free from those channel you better set dvr lol.

300is supposeto have allot fo grain. If your not seeing the grain on HDTV broadcast then your not getting the correct PQ

Bluray is better PQ, Satellite and Cable HD broadcast are12-18Mbps streams which are then compressed 2-1 or 3-1 (MPEG-2 or MPEG-4) depending on provider. So no where close to bluray

[brdmaverick]

Why do many find film grain to be a good thing? Seeing some scenes with heavy amounts of grain make me want to get up and adjust the rabbit ears, except that it is blu ray.

Granted I only have like 12 blu rays, but Transformers is the specific movie in which I noticed scenes of heavy grain.

I suppose I would be one of those people who give PQ a lower rating when film grain is very noticeable.

[NathanDrakeFan]

Originally Posted by brdmaverick

Why do many find film grain to be a good thing? Seeing some scenes with heavy amounts of grain make me want to get up and adjust the rabbit ears, except that it is blu ray.

Granted I only have like 12 blu rays, but Transformers is the specific movie in which I noticed scenes of heavy grain.

I suppose I would be one of those people who give PQ a lower rating when film grain is very noticeable.

Most films are shot on film. Much like tv screens are comprised of pixels, film is comprised of film grain. You wipe away the grain, you wipe away fine detail. Most movies nowadays are shot on 35mm and 70mm film. The higher the filmstock, the finer(less noticeable the grain is). Grain may be distracting when it is heavy, but if you take away the grain, there will be less detail. The objects in the distance may be much less noticeable. There's not as much detail in close-ups on faces, etc.....

Don't hate on grain, mister. Besides, with films on 70mm, you won't even know there is any grain, and with 35mm, you can see it, but it is so little, it wouldn't bother anyone. Don't hate on grain. That's what gives the image the detail.

[Yojimbo68]

It's interesting but when you walk out of a movie theatre almost nobody remarks "Boy, that film had a lot of grain in it". I love the look of film and have nothing against film grain. But, let's face it, if film grain is distracting and taking you out of the storytelling, then that is a problem. Sometimes I think that too much film grain is just as bad as too much DNR. The original release of "Predator" is a case in point for too much film grain. The subsequent release is a case of too much DNR!!

[42041]

I don't remember objectionable levels of grain in Transformers. Calibrate your TVs, folks.

[Exile]

I thought modern films like Transformers were filmed all digitally? Why would there be grain unless put there purposely?