Attention early adopters!

[Gremal]

Yes, I mean YOU. All of us who own blu-ray discs are early adopters.

If you've never been an early adopter before, you might not know that:

* Product doesn't always materialize when you'd like it to.

* Format wars aren't won overnight.

* Release dates are subject to change.

* Retail store clerks often seem clueless about the product or title you're interested in.

* Distributors are sometimes late with new releases.

* Product may even be faulty/have quality control issues.

That's all NORMAL. If you can't deal with it, you have no business being an early adopter of any format or new technology. For those of you who are running around like chickens with your heads cut off, freaking out over every delayed title or bump in the road, stop and think for a minute. Ask yourself if you're really cut out to be an early adopter. If so, please use a more rational, long-term perspective of the first few years of Blu-ray rollout. If you can't see that perspective, maybe you're not cut out to be an early adopter. Most people are not.

Early adopters have to deal with higher prices, market uncertainty, technological glitches and cancelled or delayed releases. Again, that's NORMAL. Those who can't deal with such problems should focus on a mature technology that's been around for a decade or more like DVD or CD. The release dates rarely change, prices are low and there is no format war for you to stress over.

[Zaphod]

Originally Posted by Gremal

Yes, I mean YOU. All of us who own blu-ray discs are early adopters.

If you've never been an early adopter before, you might not know that:

* Product doesn't always materialize when you'd like it to.

* Format wars aren't won overnight.

* Release dates are subject to change.

* Retail store clerks often seem clueless about the product or title you're interested in.

* Distributors are sometimes late with new releases.

* Product may even be faulty/have quality control issues.

That's all NORMAL. If you can't deal with it, you have no business being an early adopter of any format or new technology. For those of you who are running around like chickens with your heads cut off, freaking out over every delayed title or bump in the road, stop and think for a minute. Ask yourself if you're really cut out to be an early adopter. If so, please use a more rational, long-term perspective of the first few years of Blu-ray rollout. If you can't see that perspective, maybe you're not cut out to be an early adopter. Most people are not.

Early adopters have to deal with higher prices, market uncertainty, technological glitches and cancelled or delayed releases. Again, that's NORMAL. Those who can't deal with such problems should focus on a mature technology that's been around for a decade or more like DVD or CD. The release dates rarely change, prices are low and there is no format war for you to stress over.

I want my $100 credit from the BDA and Sony!

[The Shrike]

Yeah! Everyone start acting the way we say YOU should act! YOU are making US look bad!!

[Copywriter]

Early adopters always get the shaft in some way. But, you trade this for being able to enjoy things first and for being part of an exclusive community.

I expect we'll see things like BLU-built re-releases of movies that were half-ass done. So, EA will end up re-buying some stuff.

I remember paying $700 for a now $49 DVD player.

[Zaphod]

Originally Posted by Copywriter

I remember paying $700 for a now $49 DVD player.

I remember my parents paying $1200 for a CD player that you can now get for $10.00!

[Beta-guy]

I must say it was well said, I do try to keep a level head on all issue relating to Blu-ray, I know I may panic at times but now less so, I've played this game for over 6 months now, and I've learned there's lots of uncertanty but it;s like a good hand at poker, we have to look at HD-DVD and ask ourselves, "are they bluffing?" at the end of the day reguardless of what happens it's next to impossible for HD-DVD to win, if you doubt this look at all the companies supporting Blu-ray heck look at intel they were exclusive HD-DVD and now they are neutral, that should say some right there.

I say be proud, and hold on to your cards

[dadkins]

See sig.
I can do things with Blu-ray Discs that most people cannot.
Yeah, it cost me.
Was it worth it? Oh Yeah!
Would I do it again, You betcha!

Has this machine been superceded? Yep!
Laptops get "replaced" in the lineups about every 6 months(or less).

Life goes on!

Blu Rules!

[Canada]

Originally Posted by Zaphod

I remember my parents paying $1200 for a CD player that you can now get for $10.00!

My Dad borrowed a calculator that could add, subtract, multiply and divide that's it. He was told to be careful with it because it cost the owner $ 100 in the mid to late 70's. My word, you can buy a graphing calculator now for about $ 120.

[tron3]

Originally Posted by Canada

My Dad borrowed a calculator that could add, subtract, multiply and divide that's it. He was told to be careful with it because it cost the owner $ 100 in the mid to late 70's. My word, you can buy a graphing calculator now for about $ 120.

I had a college professor, who while a student in the mid '60's had a professor who spent about $500 for a "hand held" calculator. It was big where as the professor had to use his whole hand to barely grab it. Do you know what $500 bucks was in the '60s? Probably get a new HDTV WITH blu-ray today. You could buy a car for about 5,000.

He said they sat amazed as they saw the square root of numbers come up at the simple press of a button. Even more amazed when pressing the button again yielded the square root of that number.

oh, to be innocent again.

[CptGreedle]

I agree that I see a lot of members "freaking out" over every little thing. The HD-DVD camp seems to be even more full of this, but I think that's because they can see that their format preference is lacking and has no long term future.
I only wish the Blu-ray supporters would see this too and stop jumping to conclusions and the like over such things. It is distracting to see false reports, assumptions up the wazoo, claims of victory by CEOs, and the like.
The format war is likely to be a longer one than previous battles because so much is riding on the HD format, since it is to be the standard in home theaters in the future and could someday outsell DVDs (potentially).
Until the victor is more apparent to the average consumer; who is still bombarded with misleading news, FUD, and misinformation; we should not jump to conclusions too quickly.
Yes errors and delays are annoying, but it is a learning process for a new industry and with each delay and error, the distributors learn something new. Eventually these will stop, but until then, we will have to be wary of our purchases and not expect everything to be on-time and infallible.

[ground chuck]

Originally Posted by CptGreedle

I agree that I see a lot of members "freaking out" over every little thing. The HD-DVD camp seems to be even more full of this, but I think that's because they can see that their format preference is lacking and has no long term future.
I only wish the Blu-ray supporters would see this too and stop jumping to conclusions and the like over such things. It is distracting to see false reports, assumptions up the wazoo, claims of victory by CEOs, and the like.
The format war is likely to be a longer one than previous battles because so much is riding on the HD format, since it is to be the standard in home theaters in the future and could someday outsell DVDs (potentially).
Until the victor is more apparent to the average consumer; who is still bombarded with misleading news, FUD, and misinformation; we should not jump to conclusions too quickly.
Yes errors and delays are annoying, but it is a learning process for a new industry and with each delay and error, the distributors learn something new. Eventually these will stop, but until then, we will have to be wary of our purchases and not expect everything to be on-time and infallible.

amen

[fupduk2]

It's just another "upgrade" with all the bells, whistles and glitches included.

[SS316SRV]

Originally Posted by Gremal

Yes, I mean YOU. All of us who own blu-ray discs are early adopters.

If you've never been an early adopter before, you might not know that:

* Product doesn't always materialize when you'd like it to.

* Format wars aren't won overnight.

* Release dates are subject to change.

* Retail store clerks often seem clueless about the product or title you're interested in.

* Distributors are sometimes late with new releases.

* Product may even be faulty/have quality control issues.

That's all NORMAL. If you can't deal with it, you have no business being an early adopter of any format or new technology. For those of you who are running around like chickens with your heads cut off, freaking out over every delayed title or bump in the road, stop and think for a minute. Ask yourself if you're really cut out to be an early adopter. If so, please use a more rational, long-term perspective of the first few years of Blu-ray rollout. If you can't see that perspective, maybe you're not cut out to be an early adopter. Most people are not.

Early adopters have to deal with higher prices, market uncertainty, technological glitches and cancelled or delayed releases. Again, that's NORMAL. Those who can't deal with such problems should focus on a mature technology that's been around for a decade or more like DVD or CD. The release dates rarely change, prices are low and there is no format war for you to stress over.

TROLL!!! (joking...)

Everyone should be well aware of this, since we all made the calculated risk of putting our money into this.

[radagast]

Originally Posted by Gremal

Yes, I mean YOU. All of us who own blu-ray discs are early adopters.

If you've never been an early adopter before, you might not know that:

* Product doesn't always materialize when you'd like it to.

* Format wars aren't won overnight.

* Release dates are subject to change.

* Retail store clerks often seem clueless about the product or title you're interested in.

* Distributors are sometimes late with new releases.

* Product may even be faulty/have quality control issues.

That's all NORMAL. If you can't deal with it, you have no business being an early adopter of any format or new technology. For those of you who are running around like chickens with your heads cut off, freaking out over every delayed title or bump in the road, stop and think for a minute. Ask yourself if you're really cut out to be an early adopter. If so, please use a more rational, long-term perspective of the first few years of Blu-ray rollout. If you can't see that perspective, maybe you're not cut out to be an early adopter. Most people are not.

Early adopters have to deal with higher prices, market uncertainty, technological glitches and cancelled or delayed releases. Again, that's NORMAL. Those who can't deal with such problems should focus on a mature technology that's been around for a decade or more like DVD or CD. The release dates rarely change, prices are low and there is no format war for you to stress over.

Amen to all of the above. This is true for early adopters of any paradigm shift. Early DVD player had issues with later changes. Playing recordable DVDs among other things. That's why the whole idea of a finished spec for either side is a myth. The only time you can be confident that a spec is finished is when it is superceded by something new.

[DAMNSAM77]

Originally Posted by Gremal

Yes, I mean YOU. All of us who own blu-ray discs are early adopters.

If you've never been an early adopter before, you might not know that:

* Product doesn't always materialize when you'd like it to.

* Format wars aren't won overnight.

* Release dates are subject to change.

* Retail store clerks often seem clueless about the product or title you're interested in.

* Distributors are sometimes late with new releases.

* Product may even be faulty/have quality control issues.

That's all NORMAL. If you can't deal with it, you have no business being an early adopter of any format or new technology. For those of you who are running around like chickens with your heads cut off, freaking out over every delayed title or bump in the road, stop and think for a minute. Ask yourself if you're really cut out to be an early adopter. If so, please use a more rational, long-term perspective of the first few years of Blu-ray rollout. If you can't see that perspective, maybe you're not cut out to be an early adopter. Most people are not.

Early adopters have to deal with higher prices, market uncertainty, technological glitches and cancelled or delayed releases. Again, that's NORMAL. Those who can't deal with such problems should focus on a mature technology that's been around for a decade or more like DVD or CD. The release dates rarely change, prices are low and there is no format war for you to stress over.

Well said Sir! That should be a given to anyone who has witnessed previous format wars, but its always a good refresher for some of us, and important for First Time Early Adopters to know. Some of the younger crowde may not know but 90% of the first year's releases of DVD in 1997-1998 didnt even have special features...a TRAILER was a BIG DEAL! We were happy if they just included 5.1 DD, some movies like Scarface came out first with the Dolby STEREO track! It was 3-4 years later before Universal decided to release a REAL DVD with 5.1 DD sound.

[tron3]

Well said, Gremal. Should be a sticky thread, IMHO.

As much as we feel blu-ray is the future for the foreseeable indefinate future, let's consider some other technologies which we much lauded and have gone to the way side, or on their last leg.

* Gramaphone with cyclinder discs
* Standard Records
* Reel to Reel audiotape (Consumer wise)
* Film Projectors (Consumer wise)
* 8 Track tape
* Cassette Tape
* CD
* SD B&W TV
* SD Color TV
* Laser Disc
* BETA videotape
* VHS & VHS-C videotape.
* DVD
* HD-DVD

I am confident blu-ray has the potential to be the best thing ever and perhaps surpass VHS life as a video medium. But I still believe it will, one day, compete with Memory Stick movies, or holographic storage disc. Unlike all the technologies before it, resolution will probably remain the same for the foreseeable future, as well. So it remains a viable long term video medium. And THAT is no FUD!

[SnakEyes]

Originally Posted by tron3

or on their last leg.

* Gramaphone with cyclinder discs
* Standard Records
* Reel to Reel audiotape (Consumer wise)
* Film Projectors (Consumer wise)
* 8 Track tape
* Cassette Tape
* CD
* SD B&W TV
* SD Color TV
* Laser Disc
* BETA videotape
* VHS & VHS-C videotape.
* DVD
* HD-DVD

Seriously?! You forgot chiseling on a stone tablet and blowing dust on a cave wall! Every format has a shelf life-just so happens with technology-that shelf life is getting shorter and shorter for each format. Speaking of that-I think all time "format wars"-pen and paper probably wins!

[Kristin Simard]

Me, I'm happy with what I've got, (I have a Sony BDP-S1
and a Sony Bravia 40" 1800p screen) and if things change in the format war, some things work out, some things don't, that's life. But I'm optimistic that Blu will eventually win by virtue of it being the logical choice. So far, developments in China and Europe seem to indicate that.

Like I said before, hold tight, buy stocks in Blu-ray companies, and plan for your early retirement (while watching some killer movies).

[glenn22]

Originally Posted by Kristin Simard

Me, I'm happy with what I've got, (I have a Sony BDP-S1
and a Sony Bravia 40" 1800p screen) and if things change in the format war, some things work out, some things don't, that's life. But I'm optimistic that Blu will eventually win by virtue of it being the logical choice. So far, developments in China and Europe seem to indicate that.

Like I said before, hold tight, buy stocks in Blu-ray companies, and plan for your early retirement (while watching some killer movies).

I'm happy with what I have too, but I have a little less faith in people than you seem to. Outside of North America logic seems to prevail, but we are more susceptible to the marketing machine here. So far Blu-ray is on the right path though.

[jayd]

Yeah, I agree, I don't wanna be looking like a fairy, when a title gets delayed and people start crying, don't worry it will be here eventually, don't let us look like crying fairies.