AND ANTI-SONY PEOPLE CALL Sony "arrogant"

[joeorc]

"We don't have competition," says Xbox president

Microsoft's Robbie Bach has dismissed Sony's PlayStation Network, saying he doesn't believe the console rival offers an online gaming service comparable to Xbox Live.

The company is currently celebrating five years of Xbox Live, with over 8 million users signed up to the service.

"It's fair to say that Xbox Live is clearly head and shoulders above anything anyone else has tried to do. We don't have competition," said Bach, speaking to the LA Times.

"Sony has done some things online, but nothing that can be called a service. We have a big advantage and we're going to keep pressing that advantage," he added.

As well as Arcade titles, demos and TV and movie downloads, Microsoft announced last week that it will begin offering original Xbox games via Live, including hit titles Halo, Fable and Crimson Skies.

"We have a very strong, very powerful computer network that provides the backbone for our service," continued Bach.

"Perhaps the most important thing we have is over 8 million passionate members who create and define what Xbox Live is. It's a tough thing to create, and we're going to continue to nurture it."

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=30756

i guess the Nintendo Wii does not have an ONLINE service also...

[khainne]

truth be told, Sony does need to step up its online experience,

Lets hope "home" is all they are saying it is and more.

[Cyorg]

Than why is Microsoft trying to rip-off Home?
I don't know if it's confirmed, but I've heard from a few of my friends that have 360s that they are making a Home like service as well.

[Go Blu]

It should be better....being that they are milking all 8 million people for more money.

[jediknight182]

Originally Posted by Cyorg

Than why is Microsoft trying to rip-off Home?

Explanation?

[cathexist]

The 360 DOES kind of have a year head start in the market. I agree that it's time for Sony to play catch up though.

[ehorrell]

Well, I don't own a 360 and I don't ever plan to, but it terms of online gaming the "competition" is so weak it might as well be nonexistent. I love my Wii and PS3, but I find both severely lacking in solid online content and infrastructure. However, its free, so I don't care that much. I'm still not sold on Home. There is a lot of potential there. We'll see what happens.

To your point, though, MS is arrogant.

[binarymelon]

Originally Posted by Cyorg

Than why is Microsoft trying to rip-off Home?
I don't know if it's confirmed, but I've heard from a few of my friends that have 360s that they are making a Home like service as well.

Yeah unless your friends happen to be 360 users who also happen to work in Microsoft's Gaming division, I think this would be all over the Interwebs.

[Cyorg]

Originally Posted by jediknight182

Explanation?

this is all I found

"Microsoft has announced details of a new entertainment channel available on the Xbox 360, Windows Vista and Windows XP Media Center. Coolroom is, according to the corporation "aimed at film fans who want to enjoy digital entertainment on TV from the comforts of their own sofa".
'3D Coolroom', a virtual 3D loft apartment where users can watch cinema featurettes and interview clips. According to Microsoft, users can customise and own their 3D Coolroom by uploading and displaying personal media such as pictures and videos."

That Sounds a lot like Home to me.

[joeorc]

"Sony has done some things online, but nothing that can be called a service.

Both Sony and Microsoft CEO's has been very arrogant in their statements but if you notice its always the ANTI-SONY people point out SONY but not Microsoft,when Microsoft is just as bad....

[joeorc]

Originally Posted by cathexist

The 360 DOES kind of have a year head start in the market. I agree that it's time for Sony to play catch up though.

try (4) years HEAD START ON SONY in building their THE XBOX LIVE ONLINE infrastructure..

[CptGreedle]

You'd think Microsoft could afford to be less arrogant and more creative, instead of ripping off every successful product by other companies, or buying them out. True the Live has been out longer than PSN, but that is the only thing they have. Windows is a rip off of Mac OS, Word originally ripped of Word Perfect, DOS wasn't even theirs when they sold it to IBM, Zune...... pulease, Microsoft is one of the biggest, evilest companies I know of. They keep trying to force their standards on everyone, disabling the formats and standards of others, pretending and acting like they own the world....
I am a Mac fanatic... Sony is neutral to me, their PlayStation systems rock, and I love their TVs and such, but I am no fanboy. But I hate Micro$oft with a passion!

[jediknight182]

Originally Posted by Cyorg

this is all I found

That Sounds a lot like Home to me.

I wouldn't say MS is copying Home with this. Coolroom has been out for a while in Europe. Though I do agree that bringing it to the 360 seems like an attemp at countering Home.

Thanks for the info Cyorg, I have heard of Coolroom but wasn't aware that MS planned on bringing it to the 360.

[joeorc]

Originally Posted by CptGreedle

You'd think Microsoft could afford to be less arrogant and more creative, instead of ripping off every successful product by other companies, or buying them out. True the Live has been out longer than PSN, but that is the only thing they have. Windows is a rip off of Mac OS, Word originally ripped of Word Perfect, DOS wasn't even theirs when they sold it to IBM, Zune...... pulease, Microsoft is one of the biggest, evilest companies I know of. They keep trying to force their standards on everyone, disabling the formats and standards of others, pretending and acting like they own the world....
I am a Mac fanatic... Sony is neutral to me, their PlayStation systems rock, and I love their TVs and such, but I am no fanboy. But I hate Micro$oft with a passion!

Microsoft has their "XEROX" machine working over time recently look at the IPHONE as an example...look at HTC new flo touch function...what OS..why windows mobile 5.0 of course....

http://www.htctouch.com/

[eat_me_cool]

Originally Posted by CptGreedle

You'd think Microsoft could afford to be less arrogant and more creative, instead of ripping off every successful product by other companies, or buying them out. True the Live has been out longer than PSN, but that is the only thing they have. Windows is a rip off of Mac OS, Word originally ripped of Word Perfect, DOS wasn't even theirs when they sold it to IBM, Zune...... pulease, Microsoft is one of the biggest, evilest companies I know of. They keep trying to force their standards on everyone, disabling the formats and standards of others, pretending and acting like they own the world....
I am a Mac fanatic... Sony is neutral to me, their PlayStation systems rock, and I love their TVs and such, but I am no fanboy. But I hate Micro$oft with a passion!

Ami was the first WYSIWYG WP for Windows and it came out a year before MS Word. It was better than Word but MS FUD'ed it. It became Lotus Word Pro.

To be fair to MS, Apple didn't invent windowing, mice or any of their user interface. Xerox did.

[AikonEnt]

Originally Posted by Go Blu

It should be better....being that they are milking all 8 million people for more money.

Couldn't agree more. Let's see, the Playstation network costs nothing per year so Sony isn't making any money from that. M$ charges £40 (UK price anyway) per customer times 8 million people and that equates to £320,000,000 a year in revenue. I have both systems and can honestly say that I don't really find one better than the other. In fact I've noticed more lag with xbox live than with the PSN and my PS3 is connected wirelessly whereas the 360 is connected via ethernet. Sometimes an 8 player Gears of War has been absolutely horrible, a 32 player Warhawk game no lag whatsoever, in fact I've only noticed lag once on Warhawk and that was because of my computer hogging my broadband (it doesn't like sharing with anything else for some reason). Obviously other people may have had worse experiences.

I know which I find better value, and I know which company I would trust to provide and improve a service without trying to rip me off in the process.

[lateralus85]

Back in the days I would totally agree. Even to this day xbox live is ahead of playstaion network but the gap is closing. However I would still go with xbox live even to this day but what stopped me, is this.

1. Back in the days I play xbox live as my only online network, now I play pc games and xbox live is like a trolley versus a tank against the pc online gaming. There is a lot of fuss out there about xbox live. It did introduce me to the online world. But whatever xbox live does, pc does it a trillion times better and for free. Also xbox live has no upgraded much at all. I still to this day struggle to get into a few online rooms, get lag against overseas players.

2. I had a 360 and it is by far the worst console I have ever owned, though I haven’t owned many and imo and this opinion is not bias as I am a gamer and I preferred the xbox over the ps2, but the 360 should be noted as one of the worst consoles made. It is terribly made that when I first turned my ps3 on I thought I didn’t hook it up right. Not a single sound. I totally forgot what consoles were really about. The 360's terrible design, noise and performance is shocking.

3. Once you experience pc gaming you start to realise what a rip job xbox live is. Charging people for a totally overrated feature is like going to the arcades and paying to play Daytona 1.

[Cyorg]

Originally Posted by jediknight182

I wouldn't say MS is copying Home with this. Coolroom has been out for a while in Europe. Though I do agree that bringing it to the 360 seems like an attemp at countering Home.

Thanks for the info Cyorg, I have heard of Coolroom but wasn't aware that MS planned on bringing it to the 360.

They make it seem like it's completely new: "Microsoft has announced details of a new entertainment channel available on the Xbox 360, Windows Vista and Windows XP Media Center"
And this is a European website.
At any rate, I don't understand how XBox fanboys can act like Sony is some evil corporate monster and Microsoft is not.

BTW shouldn't this be in the PS3 section of the forum?

[Smallville206]

Originally Posted by Go Blu

It should be better....being that they are milking all 8 million people for more money.

I was thinking the same thing.

[WickyWoo]

Than why is Microsoft trying to rip-off Home?

WHy is Sony ripping off Second Life?

Couldn't agree more. Let's see, the Playstation network costs nothing per year so Sony isn't making any money from that. M$ charges £40 (UK price anyway) per customer times 8 million people and that equates to £320,000,000 a year in revenue. I have both systems and can honestly say that I don't really find one better than the other

While the end user experience may be that way, you see the tight integration and more online play/features because MS is paying for the servers with the Live fees. The same goes for the PC model where the users bear the brunt of the cost (Battlefield, Call of Duty etc). This really helps with stuff like Street Fighter Quartermatch, or Bomberman or Uno etc. Small, cheap games with full online play would simply not be possible on the margins they make.

It's not that either method isn't valid, but there are benefits to the subscription model. Frankly I believe MS could very well afford to cut Live to $29.99 a year without taking much of a hit at all, especially with all the new in-game advertising.

To give you an idea, a Battlefield 2142 server ususally goes for somewhere between $3-4 a month per slot (typically 32-64 slots)