Why John Boyega Hates The Last Jedi

[cdx47]

Why John Boyega Hates The Last Jedi

[BluBonnet]

Originally Posted by cdx47

Why John Boyega Hates The Last Jedi

[cdx47]

Originally Posted by BluBonnet

That was quick. You must have fast forwarded through it right? lol.

[BluBonnet]

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=100201

[Cremildo]

We totally needed a thread just for this.

[mwynn]

[stvn1974]

Yes, The Last Jedi is a giant turd, but we can discuss how awful it is in the regular Star Wars thread.

[cdx47]

Originally Posted by Cremildo

We totally needed a thread just for this.

It's not about TLJ. Well ok it is kinda. But yes I do think a thread about this video showing that when it comes to "representation", there's a hierarchy and black men are near the bottom of it. I think it's a toss up between Fin and Fury as to which of them was s**t upon from a greater height. But sadly only one of them realizes while the other is asking for more.

[Batmon77]

Originally Posted by cdx47

It's not about TLJ. Well ok it is kinda. But yes I do think a thread about this video showing that when it comes to "representation", there's a hierarchy and black men are near the bottom of it. I think it's a toss up between Fin and Fury as to which of them was s**t upon from a greater height. But sadly only one of them realizes while the other is asking for more.

Could you give examples on how Nick Fury was subverted like the Finn character was?

Fury has been a bad-ass and has plenty of moments since his reveal in IM1.

Folks want a Lando series and Finn was supposed to be that new dude on the scene.

[cdx47]

Originally Posted by Batmon77

Could you give examples on how Nick Fury was subverted like the Finn character was?

I will only give one example because only one example is needed. Nick Fury is not "a" spy, he is supposed to be "The" Spy. A super-spy of sorts whose "secrets have secrets". But in this series they say

[Show spoiler]that if it wasn't for the skrulls he wouldn't have the same reputation.

The example I gave elsewhere is like if Iron Man 2 ended with the Russian scientist's son winning and it turns out that Tony was a fraud taking credit for the Russian scientist's work.

Originally Posted by mikesncc1701

Christ, people are still whining about this? To the point this couldn't even be posted in The Last Jedi thread and it needed its own? ****in' get over it already.

As I said, the thread title doesn't help. The video isn't so much about how crap TLJ is. Most of us already know that. I think the video did a decent job of partially exposing the "diversity" hypocrisy by showing how Boyega was screwed across the last two movies. Remember this?
star-wars-chinese-poster-john-boyega-pic.jpg

The poster on the right is for the Chinese market.

[Batmon77]

Originally Posted by cdx47

I will only give one example because only one example is needed. Nick Fury is not "a" spy, he is supposed to be "The" Spy. A super-spy of sorts whose "secrets have secrets". But in this series they say

[Show spoiler]that if it wasn't for the skrulls he wouldn't have the same reputation.

The example I gave elsewhere is like if Iron Man 2 ended with the Russian scientist's son winning and it turns out that Tony was a fraud taking credit for the Russian scientist's work.

I can agree that the Skrull help has reframed Fury's perception, but that's 15 years after the character has been established.
Fury will probably get redeemed in The Marvels, and folks wont hold Secret Invasion as a red card.

I cant place how Finn's tokenism at the same table since it was pretty much out of the gate that he was going to be an appendage to Rey.

IMO, they wanted a new "Lando" and didn't drink enough Colt 45 to make work everytime as a character.

[mikesncc1701]

Christ, people are still whining about this? To the point this couldn't even be posted in The Last Jedi thread and it needed its own? ****in' get over it already.

[Hellraiserfan]

Originally Posted by cdx47

It's not about TLJ. Well ok it is kinda. But yes I do think a thread about this video showing that when it comes to "representation", there's a hierarchy and black men are near the bottom of it. I think it's a toss up between Fin and Fury as to which of them was s**t upon from a greater height. But sadly only one of them realizes while the other is asking for more.

Black men are not near the bottom at all. If anything I would say Asians have had it far worse as far as opportunities in Hollywood.

[cdx47]

Originally Posted by Hellraiserfan

Black men are not near the bottom at all. If anything I would say Asians have had it far worse as far as opportunities in Hollywood.

In certain areas, Asians in the US are in the weird position of being unfairly punished for doing "too well". But even if Asians also have historically been treated poorly in Hollywood, that doesn't suddenly put black men in a better position. Also this sounds like a race to the bottom and I'm not interested in doing that. Boyega is doing well for himself as are many other black men. But the linked video puts Boyega's TLJ treatment in historical context, essentially comparing the rhetoric of modern Hollywood with the actions of it's recent past.

[happydood]

Originally Posted by cdx47

It's not about TLJ. Well ok it is kinda. But yes I do think a thread about this video showing that when it comes to "representation", there's a hierarchy and black men are near the bottom of it. I think it's a toss up between Fin and Fury as to which of them was s**t upon from a greater height. But sadly only one of them realizes while the other is asking for more.

I just wanna be totally clear on this. You're saying Jon Boyega 'realizes' that his character was underwritten but Samuel Jackson does not, or rather 'realizes' and doesn't care?

[cdx47]

Originally Posted by happydood

I just wanna be totally clear on this. You're saying Jon Boyega 'realizes' that his character was underwritten but Samuel Jackson does not, or rather 'realizes' and doesn't care?

What Boyega only recently realized is that many of the supposed "haters" and "racists" were not haters or racists as described by mainstream media. Instead they actually supported him and agreed that his character was treated poorly. That he, Kelly Tran and others were being used as a smokescreen by the studio to sheild themselves from criticism. To me that's pretty racist.
Samuel L Jackson's public statements suggests that he doesn't realize that his character has been s**t upon. He says that he is only interested in the character not getting killed because "he kinda likes the gig". But to be fair, his other comments about "racists" suggest that he believes the BS he is being is fed about "haters". That is where John Boyega used to be, so maybe I'm being a little unfair.

[BluBonnet]

Originally Posted by cdx47

Samuel L Jackson's public statements suggests that he doesn't realize or care that his character has been s**t upon.

[SmittysGelato]

I haven't followed Boyega's opinions about The Sequel Trilogy, but I always did feel like his character was subordinated in his own subplot for the sake of Rose. I say this as someone who doesn't hate The Last Jedi or Rose with a burning passion.

[cdx47]

Originally Posted by SmittysGelato

I haven't followed Boyega's opinions about The Sequel Trilogy, but I always did feel like his character was subordinated in his own subplot for the sake of Rose. I say this as someone who doesn't hate The Last Jedi or Rose with a burning passion.

What's funny (or sad) is that he thought Boyega was alone in feeling this way. It's only relatively recently he realized that many others had similar feelings.

[NARMAK]

Actor lands major movie franchise roles, promotes it as contracted and years later says what he really thought of said movie.

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